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         |  catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-05-15 15:37 [#00699964] Points: 836 Status: Regular
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 | I'm new here, and even newer to watmm forums. 
 Having visited there for only a couple of days, they seem to
 be pretty big fucking critics of everything.  They cut up
 SAW1 and Bilious paths - and they were pretty damn harsh
 about it too.
 
 Am I seeing a representative example of watmm discussion?
 
 
 
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         |  The_Funkmaster
             from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-05-15 15:40 [#00699968] Points: 16280 Status: Lurker
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 | I've only been to watmm like once or twice... I don't like the design of the site at all...
 
 
 
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         |  PigeonSt
             from Detroit on 2003-05-15 15:41 [#00699969] Points: 1780 Status: Regular
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 | Sometimes they're like that. I left watmm (at least for the time being) for many reasons, including a few people there
 who were a bit too hostile for me.
 
 I'm sure I'll go back sometime.
 
 The majority of people that go there are good people and I
 like being on a messageboard with them. There are only a
 few, namely Pen Expers, that ruined it for me.
 
 Watmm isn't all about being critical though, so I don't
 think that's representative.
 
 Just take some time there and see if you like it or not.
 That's all. They deserve a fair shot.
 
 
 
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         |  catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-05-15 15:48 [#00699980] Points: 836 Status: Regular
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 | A few of them were trashing Mikey P for being a poser. Calling his latest album a Vsnares rip off....
 
 I say...what the fuck else is new?  He openly admits to
 being heavily influenced by RDJ and squarepusher as can be
 clearly heard from Tango N'Vectif to present, and he can't
 stop talking about Vsnares, as can be presently heard on
 Bilious paths.
 
 I say, if you aren't an imitator, it doesn't mean you're a
 poser.  I guess RDJ is a poser for having adopted
 squarepusher drill n'bass.
 
 AND THEY FUCKING CUT UP SAW1, calling it 80's porn and
 repetetive.  Ya...let's just cut up a watershed in ambient
 electronica.
 
 cunts.
 
 
 
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         |  PigeonSt
             from Detroit on 2003-05-15 15:57 [#00699991] Points: 1780 Status: Regular
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 | Eh, SAW 85-92 is one of my favorite albums. It's my favorite out of RDJ's stuff.
 
 
 
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         |  danbrusca
             from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-15 15:58 [#00699992] Points: 4570 Status: Lurker
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 | I went there once for some reason for about a minute, just never been inclined to go back.
 
 
 
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         |  astrid-gil-botn
             from Londinium (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-15 15:59 [#00699994] Points: 1649 Status: Regular | Followup to catharsis: #00699980
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 | tango n'vectif weas way before squarepusher came about so ypo can't hear squarepushers influence there  - problem is
 muziq caqn do betterr and more original stuff - tango
 n'vectif and bluff limbo being proof.
 also i think afx and luke vibert were doing drum and bass
 style stuff before squarepusher - alsd rdj's stuff is
 totally differnent.
 Luke vibert did the weird takew on drum and bass stuff
 without being horrible bukem style drum and bass first with
 his plug records ad then lp
 
 
 
 
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         |  catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-05-15 16:04 [#00700001] Points: 836 Status: Regular
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 | squarepusher released Feed Me Wierd Things in 1996, and RDJ album was in 1997.  µ-ziq did urmur bile in 1997 (year
 after squarpusher) and has since kept up the drilln' bass
 formula.
 Tango N'vectif sounds like SAW1, Classics, and Surfing Sine
 Waves but with more overt melodies.
 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-05-15 16:06 [#00700005] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker
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 | I think this topic is uncalled for and out of line. 
 There really is no need to bring this up... as a frequent
 user of both boards, I find comparing the 2 is just
 nonesense and crap... people trying to justify that they
 have the better MB? What, is this like a soccer team?
 
 If you dont like it, just dont go. Dont bring it up that
 "omg, I dont like this place! what about you?! dont you not
 like it?"
 
 whats the point?
 
 to me, it just sounds like your trying to be cool, and fit
 in with all of the antiwatmm-ness that is on these boards...
 maybe im wrong... but thats how I always see it with people
 who constantly bring this subject up... its like they are
 trying to gain approval through thier dislike of the "other"
 board.
 
 but again, that may not be the case... its just how i see
 it...
 
 so, yeah... please just, forget about all this. its a waste
 of time, and effort.
 
 
 
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         |  catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-05-15 16:15 [#00700014] Points: 836 Status: Regular
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 | YAOWZAS...  Just a question.  A no response would have been suffice.  I'm sorry to have offended you with such a
 question.
 I just find it wierd how any of us can sit and trash
 something that we owe respect to.  I challenge the people
 trashing bilious paths to make something better in their own
 bedroom.
 
 If you don't like it say "it doesn't suit my tastes".  "IT's
 shit" is offensive.
 
 
 
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         |  catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-05-15 16:16 [#00700015] Points: 836 Status: Regular
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 | You're a musician zeus.  Would you rather have me tell you that you're music is good but "not to my tastes"?
 
 Or should I just call your music utter shit?
 
 
 
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         |  Monoid
             from one source all things depend on 2003-05-15 16:17 [#00700017] Points: 11012 Status: Lurker | Followup to Zeus: #00700005
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 | Why you came BACK ZEUS !? Because YOU LOVE US, and XLT IS BETTER ! SO THERE THIS GUY HAS A POINT HAW HAW !
 
 
 
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         |  Morton
             from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-05-15 16:18 [#00700019] Points: 10000 Status: Addict | Followup to Zeus: #00700005
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 | he's only asking if he saw a representative example of watmm discussions
 
 don't make such a big deal of that, it looks like you feel
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         |  Jarworski
             from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-15 16:20 [#00700022] Points: 10836 Status: Lurker
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 | I quite like watmm, it's more chilled out than over here. 
 I don't like SAWI at all :D
 
 
 
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         |  Morton
             from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-05-15 16:21 [#00700028] Points: 10000 Status: Addict | Followup to Jarworski: #00700022
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 | begone thou deceiver! 
 
 
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         |  catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-05-15 16:22 [#00700030] Points: 836 Status: Regular
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 | Right....just a question.  I just found the difference between this board, and watmm quite striking.
 
 
 
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         |  catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-05-15 16:24 [#00700034] Points: 836 Status: Regular
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 | I apologize if my post sounded harsh or offensive too.  I didn't intend to cause a ruckus....and I've had a long day.
 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-05-15 16:25 [#00700038] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker
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 | its just like, every 3 days, there seems to be another attack at watmm, or on watmm, there is a attack on
 xltronic.
 
 its just fucking annoying, and pointless. there is really no
 reason for it... it solves nothing... what does it
 accomplish?
 
 Im just tired of it.
 
 cath: my issue isnt about how they critique music... its
 about bringing up the whole watmm issue at a place that is
 obviously a rival. (oh, and btw... take a look through any
 random old thread about an album on here, and youll likely
 find just an equally criticizing post)
 
 
 
 
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         |  catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-05-15 16:32 [#00700049] Points: 836 Status: Regular
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 | What do any of us accomplish? The post would have given me an idea of what others thought about the watmm board.
 
 You need to take a chill pill zeus - and I think you're
 exaggerating.  Maybe hostility does run rampant on the watmm
 board?
 
 I haven't encountered that here.
 
 
 
 
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         |  titsworth
             from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-05-15 16:32 [#00700050] Points: 14550 Status: Lurker
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 | i wonder if i've ever drawn people away from this board and over to watmm... probably!
 
 
 
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         |  catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-05-15 16:33 [#00700052] Points: 836 Status: Regular
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 | I did do a search on Bilious paths here.......no.....less hostile, more respect, and very split opinions.
 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-05-15 16:39 [#00700057] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker
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 | ive been here for a year now 
 this board is just as, if not more, hostile.
 
 I dont think I need to take a chill pill. I think you should
 just admit that perhaps you started a thread on a touchy
 subject, that really didnt need another thread dedicated to
 it.
 
 
 
 
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         |  catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-05-15 16:39 [#00700060] Points: 836 Status: Regular
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 | I think you should lick my balls...how's that for hostile ; )
 
 
 
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         |  catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-05-15 16:41 [#00700062] Points: 836 Status: Regular
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 | Why don't you go to the moderator had have my thread deleted because it is obviously disturbing you and the rest of this
 board tremendously.
 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-05-15 16:43 [#00700067] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker
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 | im not gonna go crying to a mod over this 
 i was merely stating my opinion that this thread was
 unnessasary.
 
 lick your balls eh? thats really offensive and hostile. And
 look... its on xlt!
 
 
 
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         |  catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-05-15 16:48 [#00700073] Points: 836 Status: Regular
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 | OK....opinion heard and respected.  I have freedom of speech and I shouldn't have to tiptoe around those (like yourself)
 who don't agree with my choice of posts.
 If I would have known that these discussions were so common
 I would have done a search.  Sorry.
 
 
 
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         |  PigeonSt
             from Detroit on 2003-05-15 20:51 [#00700322] Points: 1780 Status: Regular
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 | Backtracking and searing sarcasm the likes the world has never seen.
 
 It's catharsis.
 
 
 
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         |  weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-05-15 21:05 [#00700334] Points: 12585 Status: Lurker
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 | wow ignoring the children: 
 AFX got squarepusher into drum'nbass, jenkinson said so in
 an interview, then Mike P followed afterwards. You cant say
 who influenced who going by album dates, those RDJ songs
 we're floating around years before they we're sold in
 stores.
 
 Bilious Paths has the snares influence on 1 or 2 songs, but
 sounds NOTHING like Snares. Thats the great thing about Mike
 P, you can hear the influences but its always his own unique
 personal style through and through.
 
 How can anyone bash SAW1 so badly? At the time of its
 release it was the most fresh, new, innovative music of its
 time, and RDJ made it while the rest of you we're playing
 Nintendo and trying to find porn in your Dad's bedroom.
 
 
 
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         |  princo
             from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2003-05-15 21:08 [#00700337] Points: 13411 Status: Lurker
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 | Christ, they're fuggin' messageboards! whinge, whinge... thats all we hear! :P
 
 
 
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         |  Dinosaur
             from United Kingdom on 2003-05-15 21:50 [#00700386] Points: 312 Status: Lurker
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 | don't hate... 
 no reason to.
 
 we're all into the same music.
 
 
 
 
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         |  od_step_cloak
             from Pleth (Australia) on 2003-05-15 22:09 [#00700420] Points: 3803 Status: Regular
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 | catharsis grow the fuck up. 
 I agree with Zeus, some kids are alwayts bitching and
 whining about the other site (watmm if youre on xltronic, or
 xltronic if youre on watmm).
 
 We've established there is a difference, but if you don't
 like them over there, go and tell them, don't bitch about
 them on here.
 
 And I use both boards, liek Zeus, so I'm fairly impartial.
 
 Fucking whiners.
 
 
 
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         |  E-man
             from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2003-05-16 03:10 [#00700691] Points: 3000 Status: Regular | Followup to od_step_cloak: #00700420
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 | bad day O.D? ;):p 
 
 
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         |  Cfern
             from Sacto (United States) on 2003-05-16 03:15 [#00700694] Points: 1384 Status: Lurker
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 | it IS way more negitve and hostile at watmm...  i visist there ocasionally ... but don't really like to much
 
 
 
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         |  Morton
             from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-05-16 03:20 [#00700699] Points: 10000 Status: Addict | Followup to od_step_cloak: #00700420
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 | settle down od :) c'mon give us a HUG y'old blockhead
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         |  rockenjohnny
             from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-05-16 03:32 [#00700703] Points: 7983 Status: Lurker
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 | haha 
 well im on here like all the time
 
 and i have only 50 posts on watmm
 
 dunno. ive just gotten to know folks on here better :) and
 yeah this page is a lot better on my eyes, also.
 
 
 
 
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         |  Anus_Presley
             on 2003-05-16 09:03 [#00701090] Points: 23472 Status: Lurker
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 | i don't go therre 
 
 
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         |  xceque
             on 2003-05-16 09:14 [#00701109] Points: 5888 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | What's going on here? 
 Slagging off watmm? We'll have none of that. Think
 yourselves lucky that there's even one board where
 like-minded people can gather... that there's two and more
 is a godsend, so stop twining.
 
 Slagging off xltronic? We'll have none of that, a) cos I
 said so, and b) cos I said so, so ner.
 
 Licking of balls? We'll have none of that unless they're
 mine and you're an exceptionally attractive young lady.
 Though not too young lest it be thought illegal. Actually
 not necessarily atractive either. As long as there's
 femininity and a pulse I don't mind.
 
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         |  catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-05-16 17:39 [#00701748] Points: 836 Status: Regular
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 | So I guess the answer to my original question is "yes" and "no" depending on the experiences of the respondents.
 
 I didn't know that some people were so sensitive about a
 simple question that wasn't intended to be threatening or
 offensive.  I experienced something unique on watmm
 messageboards and I just wanted to know if my experience was
 out of the ordinary.
 
 I'm sorry to have I offended anyone - generally I find the
 people on this board very polite, open-minded, and they have
 great taste in music.
 
 
 
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