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Hecate makes damn good music. |
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Lets face it, the amount of girls doing electronic music and good electronic music at that, you could hardly count on one hand. There a no girl musicians in the same league as the likes of Mu-Ziq, Wagon Christ, Aphex etc etc. The only girl who I think is quite interesting, is perhaps Hecate, but she is certainly in the little league (no offence to her). |
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yeah, i am homophobic because i said idm is a gay club |
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i dont see why everyone is so down on bjork...is there something wrong with singing on top of electronic beats? IDM isnt necessarily a boys club, so much as it is often a snobs club (no offense intended, except for those who are snobs) |
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LIDA HUSIK!!!!! www.lidahusik.com |
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thanx. will check her out. |
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I agree. I dislike the way the topic title (I don't think it was alnuit's intention) implies a sort of "old boy's network" actively keeping female artists in the same league as AFX, BoC and Ae etc. out of the limelight. Fewer females make IDM, hence it's hardly suprising fewer of them are famous. It's not a conspiracy by men, just basic statistics... |
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Ceri, I agree. I think basically women don't make electronic music. Thats it really. But for those who do there is definitely a big deal made of it. And most of the time it is basically fairly average or unforgetable music. The bottomline is if there was a shit hot artist out there whether it be a she or he, everyone would be raving about it anyway. |
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my god! (pardon the insult, but ...) you ignorant bastards! =) I can't believe no one mentioned NEOTROPIC!!! now that's some damn fine superbly crafted & innovative electronic tunage! 'Mr. Brubaker's Strawberry Alarm Clock' on Ntone (a ninjatune subsidry) is a classic! thank heavens nicole elmer got mentioned. her neutral project is kick-arse! 'blue paper (a neutral rmx)' on the 'masonic' compilation on hymen is one of the most damn amazing tracks i've heard in ages! |
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maybe i mispoke - i was in no way attempting to speak about whether or not female musicians are marginalized - for all i know, they are. i think the classification of music in general is completely misleading and strange. electronic music has always been an anonymous genre - especially if you include hip hop within its borders - i would love to find an electronic artist that everyone thinks is a man, but is really a woman... |
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as far as IDM being a boys club, indeed, it's sad but true! ... but here's what us idm-cheuvinists can do to amend the situation: encourage our girlfriends, female friends and acquaintances to get into makin' some glitchy tunes - if enough people make an effort to do so, we'll see a boom of female electronic musicians soon enough. i've posted the quote below under a different topic, but i think it's worth bringing up again. here's what HECATE has to say on the issue of music and gender: Q: If one takes a look on the music business in general it quickly becomes obvious that female producers and label-owners are a very small minority. Do you think that this male dominance still is the result of a traditional role scheme or just the consequence of the lack of interest or fear of the technical aspects linked to producing music. To my point of view most women simply don`t want to quit the role of a mere music consumer. A: You are definately right with your assumption. The HWF was an experiment to see what the underlying problem was concerning this lack of women in music, and through my own experience it occurs that it is mostly the laziness and apathy of these women which is the main problem. Consuming is the easiest thing to do, if you have the cash....The whole music industry, and in fact my own "scene", is still run by men but I have proved through my own actions that it is not impossible to fight this, although it does take alot of time, patience and passion for doing what you believe in. |
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no you're getting music confused with the people who create a fandom around it . it's up to girls whether they want tomake music or engasge in it .assholes will be assholes and trainspotting gear mystifying snobs will always be there . anyway women dominate pop music so it's not all inbalanced |
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This attitude "we need to encurage more women to make IDM/become engineers/body builders" sucks. We should make it so there is the option and let them decide. Fair enough, make it so that it is accessible to them as men, but if someone doesn't want to do something without all manner of incentives (grants for degrees, easier promotion etc.) because of their gender, it's probablky best they don't. That way you're less likely to get people who are "in it for the money" (or fringe benefits) and more because they have a genuine love of IDM/engineering/whatever. Sorry, "I am woman, hear me bore!" feminazis have been pissing me off recently... //chauvanist mode off |
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matter of fact, the now "retired" sublabel of ZHARK records (a label run by hecate) called The Homewrecker Foundation (HWF) served as a platform for all-female, all-electronic releases. here's a link: |
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there is the opportunity to engage and there are laods ofwomen involved in electronics - always have been delia derbyshire who did the dr who theme. pauline oliveros - also nowdays, leila, mira calx, broadcast, mis kittin, clair from defocus records lots of those dhr lot, peaches etc blah blah blah |
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fair enough. you shouldn't force anyone into doing something they don't genuinely enjoy, which is not at all what i meant. however, it must be realized that a lot of people (and yes, this does include a lot of females) simply do not have exposure to this type of music which may spark their interest in trying to make something of the sort. in my own personal experience, i've come across lots of girls who for whatever reason had no idea who people like plaid, autechre, squarepusher, etc. were - but for the most part, it's only a matter of exposing them to it. once enough people are aware of this sort of music, the numbers of electronic musicians will by virtue go up - and this will mean lots more female musicians. |
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I know there are a lot of female artists, most notably Delia as you mentioned. My point is that why should it be encouraged? Isn't it sexist to focus on one gender? If someone set up a specifically "all male" label someone would probably try to sue them under the human rights act... |
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well, no, the point of getting anyone into such music is simply because you believe for one reason or another that it is good - and if you happen to think, "hmm, i wonder if that arty girl from work who listens to ________ (insert anything non-electronic you find interesting here) would dig some tunes by so and so" - and so you make her a mx cd of your favourite IDM tracks or whatever, and from there on, nature takes its own course (no, i don't necessarily mean trying to get into her pants! get that filthy mind out of the gutter!). i do this for people all the time - regardless of gender - simply because i don't like hoarding music i think is good and worth sharing all to myself. and if someone wants to know some basics on how to make such music, i'm more than happy to clue them in. |
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www.mileece.net AND she's gorgeoous AND her music is awesome and intelligent (unlike some fems who were mentioned) |
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* aki tsuyuko - ongakushitsu (GREAT album) * cynthia dall - untitled * noriko tujiko (i know someone else mentioned her, but she deserves another mention) |
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hey I do that to, infact Im working on one for this girl at work. I want to put "dance like your selling nails" on there but Im afraid it will scare her away from this genre... |
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wowee...this went far beyond where I expected it to go. I never intended (as Ceri pointed out) to say that the 'electronic music industry' is hostile towards female artists or tries to pigeonhole them...just that with the numbers so overwhelmingly suggesting that only men make 'electronic music', I wanted to hear about some female artists that I might have overseen because either a) their music is very local 2) they are too esoteric. So it was in that context that I started this thread. In the true spirit of equal opportunity however, I feel that everybody (male/female) should make the music that feel comfortable with and as long as it is original and interesting, it will get heard. I think that this whole attitude of 'let-us-herd-up-the-women-and-have-them-make-techno' is pretty crappy. In just the same way that it might be to suggest that maybe Warp/NinjaTune artists should croon like Rufus Wainwright. |
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well there are all male labels - all white male middle class labels - which is why when the world is 50% female and made up of a multitude of ethnicities it's important to question why? |
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sure...valid enough question...but that wasn't MY question...I never posed the question in the femist prespective. |
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No, there are labels where all acts are white males... there are not labels that have a strict "we don't sign females or ethnic minorities, go elsewhere" policy. It's not a conspiracy, if there was a black woman who made IDM on par with Aphex, BoC or Ae they would be as popular, end of story. |
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In response to the original question: A lot of genres of music have typical artist types, Blues musician were typically black males, dance music vocalists are typically female, Welsh Choirs are typically male voice, etc. IDM is probably largely white, male and middle class because: Geeky, white, male, middle class kids tend to be the type to spend hours in front of a screen, poring over manuals/tutorials- in short, your stereotypical computer nerd. Because of the processes involved in creating IDM I'd say it's the genre of music nearest to programming/PC use. Subsequently, the majority of people who make it are (generally speaking) of the above stereotype. As there are more of them making it, it stands to reason that more of them are of a good standard/famous. This doesn't mean people outside the stereotype aren't- look at Leila for example, just that there are less of them. |
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Do you always make so much sense ? (serious, no sarcasm... :) ) |
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Nah, sometimes I talk gibberish :D |
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yes - so all girrls fuck off. |
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andrea parker(talented as well as gorgeous),she used to record for mo'wax,check out "kiss my arp".also ellen allien who not also runs the mostly fine bpitch control label in germany but does her own cool techno/electro type stuff too,she's just released a new album too"berlinette".she's also a damn fine dj. |
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