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you buy 1,5 CD |
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If it illegal is is wrong.....is it not? |
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no man! if a 15 year old drinks a beer it's not wrong imo. |
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no, thats not the same as "morally wrong". |
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Agreed, I think we're absolved from blame on the count of the rip-off prices...esp. from big labels... |
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Ooooh I've started a debate! Jedi, morals are your own values, but IMO there's also a clear argument for a moral law separate from those made by governments...take marijuana for example, is it "right" to smoke it in coffee shops in Amsterdam and "wrong" in London or Berlin where the government says you're not allowed to? Was it "right" to smoke it before the 1920s (when it was classified illegal) and suddenly "wrong" when the law was passed...? Just think about it logically... :-) |
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how trrue that is |
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I've just realised I sound a bit like Yoda..."Jedi, morals are your own values" LOL Moral your own values are, yes! |
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If it's illegal it is wrong.....is it not? creepy thought. |
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its not like i have money to buy it anyway... and i buy the ones i do like, so.. |
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i buy what i can afford. i steal everything else. too much good music, so little money. |
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i don't burn people full cd's usually just a mix to get them into more of it |
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Is your skin green, and do you have pointy ears? |
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Same here. There's no doubt about it, I've got hundreds of albums that I haven't paid for, and most of them, I never will. Not economically feasible to buy all of these... certainly not yet. But money is not an object in keeping me from listening to stuff. And if it's REALLY good, I buy it. It truly has to be spectacular for me to buy it now though. I have all of Ovuca's stuff, but I'm never paying a cent for that. Because there's more important music for me to waste my cash on, like all Amon Tobin's. Too many artists ahead of him that my money will go to, so tough break for Ovuca. Maybe in 2030 when I'm loaded. Or... laying dead in a ditch... |
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It IS wrong, I ain't arguing that. ''Am I Eviiilll??? Yes I am! Am I Eviiillll? I am man, yes, I am''. |
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downloading music is stealing music... so yes, it is wrong! |
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i really think they should bring back nailing people to crosses. we could have something like the major record company inquisition which would go after all the evil music-thieving bastards and subject them to immense physical torture until they would admit to their devilish deeds of downloading J.Lo MP3s from soulseek, upon which they would promptly be nailed to a cross and left to rot. |
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I sense sarcasm within that post... but seriously, you really can't come up with any arguement for downloading music to make it right... well, if you download a cd before it comes out, and then buys it I guess that would be ok... but downloading music, and paying nothing for it, is stealing... there are no if's and's or but's about it... I download music, and I don't try and convince myself I ain't stealing, cause I am... but right now in society it's generally considered by the population to be an ok thing to do, as most people do it... |
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Ophecks?? Is that the siren of a police car I here outside your house.. Muhahaahhahahahahha!! |
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downloading music is simply socially-acceptable form of theft (not that the majors would agree, mind). i try to only download the sort of things i can't get my hands on at any of the record stores in my city - things which would i would have to special-order and pay ridiculously high and unreasonable prices for. if it weren't for soulseek, i would only know of lusine icl through hearsay, because no way in hell would i be able to find any of it even in toronto, really (montreal, maybe, but that's too far away!). and how about all those rare hard-to-find 12" remixes by _____________ (insert favourite electronic act here)? again, if it wasn't for p2p filesharing networks ... |
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yeah, totally immoral!!! i do it anyway tho... |
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burning cd's is like having a great girlfriend but fucking the girl who lives next door because she's offering you free pussy. you know it's wrong, you know it's only fucking yourself over (what, you think artists don't need money to record music? labels don't need money to pay for albums? dumbasses), but some of you do it anyway. try some self-restraint. |
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true that! gimme a reason to actually buy an album and i might buy it. or, i will often just download it then buy it on vinyl if it's good . . . until vinyl cutters become really affordable anyway. |
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im burning movie cds only! well i burnt like 4 music cds in my whole life (i was doing it for someone else so i burnt a copy for me as well hehe) the cds were: -madonna-dont know what album -lenny kravitz-greatest hits -u2-one of their latest albums (the one with beautiful day) -limp bizkit thats it |
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the only way i will burn a cd with no intention of buying it is if: 1) it some rare limited edition import thing that would cost $30+ (which i HAVE purchased before, and its a let-down) 2) if i want to preview it a few times before i decide whether or not i like it and want to buy it 3) if it is rare and completely unavailable and/or never released other than that i just download stuff and then decide if i like it enough to buy it. |
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it's immortal.. |
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*in best hair-metal falsetto* it will never DIEEEEEEEEEEEEE! |
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no its not |
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It's not stealing if it's impossible to buy. No product to steal. |
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people make there own morals. what you percieve to be right or wrong is the ultimate factor in personal ethics. you shouldn't have to make a list to convince your self that it's ok if you believe in your heart that it really is. |
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that is a very good point. |
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Well, the first point is basically the one I was driving at...if you think it's OK, then it is! (philosophically speaking of course) And the list was just why I knew logically it was OK in my heart... :-) |
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i love ripping rich musicians off, it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside |
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Of course there is that... |
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what a bunch of subjective nonsense |
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Please elaborate philosophically :-) |
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i had a conversation about these things with my brother some time ago. he's a big enthusiast on open source and free copyright stuff. his main focus is on freeing program codes in order to develop them freely (like linux) but it applies on everything. art included. |
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And what's your take on it? Is it immoral? |
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when i say what a bunch of subjective nonsense, what i mean is that the idea that there is no correct answer to a question like this is false. people allow themselves to become subjective to a point of saying whatever you think is ok, there is no right answer, and i think thats a bunch of crap. it allows people to just do whatever they feel like doing and not have to answer for it or feel guilt. and it's crap. it's a gluttonus mentality. me, me, me. |
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Interesting you take that view, presuming you think there's a one-size-fits-all standard for right and wrong, what would it be? Law? Religion? A.N. Other? |
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i attempt to walk the thin line that exists between marilyn manson and jerry falwell. |
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thats a joke, by the way |
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And the serious reply? |
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there is no "religion", there is only truth and lies. |
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there is a set of rules, like numbers, by which we are allowed to determine right and wrong... when people start thinking only of themselves, they start to create X and Y variables where clearly numbers are present. then they can solve the equasions any way they like. |
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But on what basis do you make your assertion about there being a definite right answer to the question? What belief set? |
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sorry i'm no good in phrasing these things.. too many things and my mind can't focus. i haven't made my mind all the way with it. while my brother thinks that everything should be free and 'open source', when it comes to art it gets a little frightening to me. the day after we had the conversation i decided to put my albums for free on my www page. of course that doesn't seem much because i'm not signed and/or respected artist but it was a big thing to me. i think that it is more important for the artists to be heard than getting money for it. if everything can be copied, why should it be made 'wrong'? why should people who have a lot of money have the priviledge to have a lot of art? those who have money still can support the artists they choose to. i do believe this world relies way too much on the capitalistic system. i do burn cd's. but i also buy them. the smaller the artist/label, the more willing i am to give support. |
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Christianity. even though i was joking, i was quite serious... i find most organised "religion" throughout history has been HIGHLY offensive to the standards of God as laid out in the Bible. i do not support televangelists. i do not support the militant, sacreligious nature of catholicism. my only guidance comes from reading the Word of God, meditative prayer, and experienceing life. i am very untrustworthy of church, in general... it is foreseen in the Bible as well, that there would be a "great falling away" of the church from its God. |
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sorry for the rant. just kick me off the soapbox here anytime ;) |
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Well that's fair enough then obviously. But me being a Godless wonder I just approach it from a different angle I guess! |
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