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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-02 12:35 [#00681511]
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anyone ever done it??
how did it go?? any advice or knowledge on this route would be appreciated. ta
we hav 500 euro to do this, is it enough? how many copies would we get for this price???
cheers
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Portland
from San Diego (United States) on 2003-05-02 12:46 [#00681520]
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to start a label would take something around 3k in USD. do the math from there. thats for pressing, mastering, promo. the works.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-05-02 12:47 [#00681522]
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sounds like you won't get far on those funds.
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chambre noire
from Iceland on 2003-05-02 12:47 [#00681523]
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a friend and i have started a small label, 'white noise', and are going to press our first 12" next week. 300 copies for 600¤ i think it was,, with centerlabels and sleeves.
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-02 12:50 [#00681528]
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3k???????????§!!!!!!!!
fukinell
i thought it was a about 3-400quid for a pressing of a couple of 100 12's.
we're looking to do a 3 track 12'. all our own artwork.
cant i turn up at a press plant with say a DAT or CD master then ask for 100 copies??
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-02 12:51 [#00681529]
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300 euro for 600 sounds more reasonable.
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-02 12:53 [#00681530]
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thats exactly the kind of thing chambre noire, nice site.
basic info plus streams of the tunes, with a shop.
thats exactly the type of thing. nice one
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Portland
from San Diego (United States) on 2003-05-02 12:54 [#00681532]
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thats just for pressing, you asked to start a label. you need money to promote that stuff. adverts, websites, sending out promos.
you want to press only a few hundred but some labels send out a few hundred promos alone. thats before they sell anything.
starting a real label takes some money.
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chambre noire
from Iceland on 2003-05-02 12:56 [#00681537]
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phiz : thank you! we wanna keep it minimalistic.
ofcourse if you're main object is to take over the world it's gonna cost you loads of money. we for example are taking it easy.. we're also doing this for fun..
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-02 13:00 [#00681538]
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cant i just go somewhere though and register a name as a sole label, i control distribution, promotion, all that shit.
but what i mean is, can i just create a label from nothing?? if i have the product in my hand, can i create a label with no capital to legally distribute it?
i mean i 'm not arsed about legallity, this is a product created by the unit to be distributed non profit, do i even have to have a label???? can i just print the 12's then give them away???
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-05-02 13:03 [#00681540]
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Don't think its the cost of starting up which is a problem. Your basic cost £200 seems fudge all. Its gotta be surely, what are the chances of selling any records at all which is key?
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chambre noire
from Iceland on 2003-05-02 13:03 [#00681541]
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ofcourse you can, but as a private person you pay more ..
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-05-02 13:09 [#00681550]
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Selling the records thats the hard part. Especially in this new environment of mp3 and file sharing etc. In fact its gotta be a bitch. Potentially on that cost basis you've only gotta sell say 50 records. Mmm thats seems fudge all but I bet even that is hard.
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-02 13:09 [#00681552]
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what we're doing is putting our money up with the expectation of losing it all.
its just an exsposure thing really.
i dont think there is no business plan to it really. would we run into difficulty though with this procedure???
would giving it away create more problems than selling it i mean??
i dunno, big ocean we're starting to paddle in i think.
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Portland
from San Diego (United States) on 2003-05-02 13:10 [#00681554]
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ONE-TIME PRESSING CHARGES Mastering - per side $150.00 Plating - per side $75.00 Test Pressing (5) $35.00 Labels (per 1,000 sets) $99.00 Set-up charge (orders under 600) $50.00 Postage test/tape $23.00 Blank Stampers $40.00
If a tape is sent in: Minimum Deposit is $450.00 If laquers are sent in: Minimum Deposit is $300.00 If metal parts are used: Minimum Deposit is $250.00 All prices are plus shipping and handling. The balance of Certified Funds is due at the time you approve your test pressing.
all prices taken from united record pressing.
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-02 13:11 [#00681557]
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i think quality plays a big part in whether it steps from the realm of mp3 to actual plastic in hand.
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-02 13:13 [#00681559]
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Portalnd, thanx man , but i think that process is way beyond our thinking.
that looks like alot of shit to conisider.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-05-02 13:16 [#00681562]
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hey check it out, craig david is in our midst!
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chambre noire
from Iceland on 2003-05-02 13:17 [#00681563]
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hahaha :D
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Portland
from San Diego (United States) on 2003-05-02 13:17 [#00681564]
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im not trying to come off like i know everything but i work for a label, so i kinda do know a little bit.
it can be done on a budget but not for 3-400 dollars. youll need at least 500 dollars to press the records and might be able to master them with that. the fewer records you press the more expensive it is. these places are designed to sell in bulk.
good luck.
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-05-02 13:18 [#00681565]
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How many records do new labels sell?
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-05-02 13:18 [#00681567]
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I mean how many does say Planet Mu sell? I think they're doing well if they do 500.
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illfates
from space (United States) on 2003-05-02 13:20 [#00681569]
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i was told by a few people that getting records pressed was going to cost crazy ridiculous amounts of money, and was told this a couple of times. I just sort of put it off as a future plan, but it's really that low priced, I should make it my goal to have a record pressed, as I think the mastering I can do myself....
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-05-02 13:21 [#00681571]
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How many records does $500 buy?
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-05-02 13:22 [#00681574]
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Portland how much does $500 buy?
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-02 13:26 [#00681580]
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sorry Portland, its just that process you described scared ther shit out of me. I thought i'd be able to turn up with a DAT or other master and be able to press from that, seems like alot of shit to go through first
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-05-02 13:29 [#00681589]
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phiz,
Are you planning on selling any records or does it not matter? :-)
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-05-02 13:34 [#00681595]
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doesn't sound that outrageous..?
sounds more like basic stuff that needs to be done just to even make a record.
I agree with Promo though - it'll be shit-hard to sell the stuff.
however, I think Mu probably presses 1000 copies of a record - criminal 02 was 2000 copies alone.
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-02 13:34 [#00681596]
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doesnt matter, looking on sending them to anybody who we think'd be interested.:)
music is what we'd like to do for the rest of our lives so it makes ense to live from it, but we know the star will be throwing away money
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-05-02 13:39 [#00681608]
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I think if you're gonna make a record, then when you put it out you have to really have the intention of really trying to sell the mother at all costs. Otherwise no offence, it just becomes an exercise in vanity publishing. That said I'm sure your music Phiz is pretty ace, otherwise you wouldn't have the confidence to put a record out.
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-02 13:46 [#00681616]
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confidence is the key i think.
we KNOW!!! other people will enjoy our music.
Its just getting that confidence to project back to us.
Music is a wierd force. Its one of the essential elements i think and when you create it you've got to have some control over it, even though it is a force unto itself
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-05-02 14:06 [#00681650]
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I must say you hear about Mike loosing money at Planet Mu. At that cost basis I can't see why, it just seems crazy.
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2003-05-02 14:13 [#00681655]
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like what you said in the other thread promo, a love of music before thinking about profit.
thats why Mike P and other people do it.
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diemax
from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2003-05-02 14:21 [#00681661]
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a positive outlook certainly won't hurt u, i guess,
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