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rawkus records is finally, though slowly, releasing music from pharoahe monch's long completed 2nd solo album... here's the first single available for stream. it's not experimental but it's really intelligent and raw hip-hop.. you'll like the anti-bush/needless war lyrics if you actually listen to 'em, maybe you'll like his voice (maybe you won't), maybe you'll like the techno style synths (maybe you won't). it's worth a listen anyway, what do you have to lose? post comments here, good or bad. |
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i forgot to mention how hilarious and witty all of the puns are... and warn people to look out for the deltron 3030 homage in the turntable effects and choral background (sampled?) |
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"comments here, good or BAD" not my thing...it makes me want to play it fast forward (the beat seem nice, the thing i dislike the most is this multi vocal) oh, and i have nothing against hip hop in general, i almost bought the 50 cent album :) |
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i listened the whole way through though! (and could be that i cant get into it cus i been listening to some pretty fast music for the whole day) |
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Nice, synths reminds me a bit of the track someone here did "Very Scary". The beat is one of those impossible not to nod your head to ones... Are Rawkus always this tardy with releases? |
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rawkus are the worst! monch album was finished by february 2002 at the latest (meaning possibly late 2001), the mos def rock project will NOT be released by rawkus after months of meetings (it'll be handled by MCA proper), last emperor never got one of his albums released, skillz' latest album has been delayed for a year, talib kweli's most recent album was finished 9 months or so before it was released, novel (their first r&b singer)'s album isn't yet released but has been a promo for many months, the best songs on soundbombing 3 were put on an advance promo a year before the retail version without any of the good tracks was released......... etc! anyway, this song is really good, i hope more people give it a listen. he's one of my favorite emcees and his new album should be good if rawkus doesn't ruin it. |
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Yeah that was a good track , really felt like he ment it. pharoahe monch is a really taleneted artist. |
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rawkus = independent as fox they really are the fucking worst.. you can look to that whole 'establishment' (and what a loose establishment that is) to see that integrity is virtually nonexistent in underground hiphop (home of the purists and 'true-schoolers'.. so if it doesn't exist there, it doesnt exist anywhere within the genre).. an artist/producer/label's integrity is pretty much dependent (so much for being 'independent as fuck' huh?) on its obscurity, or hunger or its value as a unit-shifter for the label under which they're employed even pharaohe slipped up a bit when his album's release got swept up in the late 90's wave of rawkus' going for theirs.. so to speak.. need I remind u of some of the godawful commercial retreads on his album Internal Affairs? he had to know he was better than that.. and that applies to the many others who followed a similar path I hate hearing intelligent artists w/ discographies to be very pround of making rediculous party anthems and that.. though I know it's not worth living as a starving artist especially when the artists on the other side of the fence are (osten[tatiously]sibly, at least) living it up, with all the excess and frivolity that would make any purist feel like they're missing out on something.. even if it conflicted with their integrity.. I was talking with celph titled once, and he said he barely scraped by with the money he was making as a producer (keep in mind he's also an emcee and a label owner) and would jump at the chance to sell-out or compromise his sound if it meant it would take care of the bills and feed his kids.. while I respect his talent now (then?) as a producer.. I didnt respect his position which was, as he stated, that he "hate[s] hip-hop purists".. I feel like people like that are just contaminating the waters .. there's enough shitty hip-pop out there. we dont need creative, talented people adding to that.. widening the void in listenable, more cerebral production and lyricism see also: wyclef, |
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see also: wyclef, "bobby digital," oc's "bon appetit," BDI Thug ($5 if you know who that was), jay dee etc etc etc a lot of the aforementioned criteria is the reason for last emporer's album never being released .. it actually had worthwhile rza production on it (and a laughable tale .. no pun intended .. about a world of cat-people = !?!?! but we'll ignore that) and it was very well written and produced (titsworth did u ever hear the track w/ poetic?) and soundbombing 3!? are u kidding me!?!? it was like the godfather 3 of that series.. it was completely commercial and many good songs were left off as u said then again, you have to consider this industry's urban roots.. and that many of these starving artists would've been starving either way.. so u really cant blame them for going for the money that has evaded, and been kept from them for so long blahblahblabhalbhlbblahbalbhalbalblhbalblah |
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i think you and i are the only people who mention jay dee (j. dilla!!) on here theo! we rock like that. i love how jay dee, madlib, and pete rock are consummate musicians and most kids here think hip-hop is ALL recycling of old stuff, simple loops, etc.! theo, i made a post last summer about the last emperor / poetic / esthero track. no one gave a flying fuck, even after i linked the lyrics and told people it was poetic's last song before dying of cancer and his verse about his dying days is breathtaking. soundbombing 3 early advance promo had some good tracks on it actually.. but i agree, the retail release is dog shit, tho i think the mos def, q-tip, kweli, and roots tracks are "decent" (below average for all of them, but ok) as for what celph titled said, i have to kinda agree... i don't like hip-hop purists either. as common said on def poetry jam about "chat room geeks critiquing my b-boy physique, who the fuck made YOU hip-hop police?!" some of my fave hip-hop albums have actually sold millions, so i don't buy that whole underground = da best!!! ideaology at all. some really good music DOES manage to catch on. i hope monch's next joint finds him the commercial success he deserved with his last solo album (which is now out of print, sadly). |
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i hate not being able to do real audio stuff. (s'what it is, right?) |
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yes, it is real audio... sorry. i prefer winamp and WMP myself, but for occasions like this, radiohead webcasts, and any other sites with good music in real audio, the "real one player" is a must-have program... i hope more people gave this FULL SONG a listen than just those who posted... you'll like the song i bet |
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I like a healthy balance between mainstream (not intentionally commercial, that is) and underground.. doing the underground thing just for the sake of being underground and because there's no other place where u belong in the industry (hi anticon!) is kindof rediculous.. actually though, what's more rediculous is those with a dogmatic allegiance to the underground.. because a few kids in their high school thought it was cool.. they wont listen to ANYTHING other than that.. some dont even listen to other kinds of music at all.. (this is north jersey though,, it might be different elsewhere) I actually havent heard that last emporer/poetic track yet.. I had no idea esthero was on it as well ...interesting my mention of jay dee was sortof a criticsm. though some other artists deserve a place on that list before him (like royce 5'9" .. em didn't put u on.. okay.. but be patient.. dont run off and do a willa ford song for christ sake.. WILLA FORD!?!? she wasn't even popular in the TRL crowd for more than a month!!!) I liked that q-tip freestyle.. but it didnt salvage the ship that appearences from missy and jt money etc helped sink.. the rza/last emporer/prince paul track "the one" I thik it was called.. was pulled because rza got in trouble for breach of contract.. by appearing on other artists' albums (either without credit or because they were on different labels.. I dont remember the details on that one_ |
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regarding this --->the last emperor / poetic / esthero track. i think a few peepz d/l'd it......it was so beautiful and sad......and the lyrics were so heartfelt!! unfortunately the streaming stuff doesn't work for me =/, but i'll keep trying to catch some AGENT ORANGE!!! |
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Decent song, I didn't care for the chorus, it got really redundant after a bit. Although the lyrics we're witty, Anti-pop is still da best. |
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it's decent music, but i can't believe this is one of the rappers you put on your list of emcees that make aesop rock shit in comparison. what's with all the "like kennedy... like mcveigh (sp?)... resident evil... playstation... minority report" i feel that i've heard enough silly analogies from every emcee with nothing to say. sounds a bit generic. |
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he even through in a "i'm the best emcee" though i forget the exact phrasing |
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yeah, this song isnt something that'll bump for a thousand years :\ |
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i'll give it another listen, see if their is something i missed. |
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so... delivery is solid, stylistically developed and sound. i agree with the issues. the lyrics bore me though. |
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the lyrics bore you? maybe you missed the wordplay? |
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i don't think i missed much of it. it's probably just that i look to rap for different things you. i'm almost certain of that actually. |
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i'm certain of it too... but on the other hand, you can catch the words without catching all of the wordplay. on my 4th listen i'm still catching some of the puns he makes. he's really good at wordplay. what's different about the topics he alludes to versus your aesop rock is he makes things accessible. this is hip-hop, not some art film... if he made references to the literature he reads (and he's a smart dude) it'd be boring and pretentious. instead he uses cultural milestones to make greater points that a lot of people (like yourself) can identify with, without necessarily having been aware they felt that way. not all of my favorite emcees follow these same basic guidelines but a lot of them do. i'm educated enough to "get it" when rappers make obscure references but i'm a hip-hop fan enough (and i'm not saying you're not, just talking about myself here) to know they don't fit naturally in most songs. |
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i'm not a big fan of aesop either. i don't think pharoahe should make reference to literature he reads in place of references to cultural milestones, i'm just bored with the analogies in this format all together. i'm more interested in poetry and the way one can illustrate their personal life in a way that reflects the world/society/whatever, rather than just blatantly talking about the world/society/whatever. also, there is a certain emotional quality that tends to comes through when an artist touches on their own personal life. also, i don't ever hear singsong writers sing about how good of a singer they are, or much better they are than other singers. why do rappers have to do this? i get fed up with this and it's not just a complaint i have with pharoah or other i'm not into; even my favorite emcees are guilty on occasion. i can't think of a sillier thing to rap about than how good of a rapper one is. i can really get into a song and it'll have me fooled until suddenly, "yall fools are stumbling over your words, i drop shit like you never heard" or some bs like that. i could care less how highly somebody thinks of theirself. |
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...or what they think of other rapper. |
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p monch frequently has some very poetic lines in his songs, just not all of 'em, and he makes it clear he's not about pretty lyrics. "he a street nigga" (to paraphrase pharrell williams talking about roscoe p. coldchain). he's just one educated, soulful, sharp-witted street nigga. doesn't mean he isn't subtle sometimes or that he doesn't touch on his own life (i could list several very heartfelt personal songs). he's just not humble to a fault, which, for me, gets old (sage francis aka "tim" and other anticonartists (let's be honest here, most of them are conning college kids into thinking they're "real" and/or "down" when they're not) take note). also, i must admit, that singer/songwriter comparison is just bunk and you know it.... come on. apples and oranges. hip-hop is rooted on competition, you knew that when you became a fan, don't lose sight of it now because you're under the (false) impression that (some of) your fav white rappers don't do it. they some flashy muthafuckaz, they just do it in different (and more pretentious) ways. |
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holy shit this song sounds even better in 44khz 192kbps stereo... the way the drums crash like a wave in the intro and the thump of the bass do NOT translate well in the real audio version.. this song would be huge if rawkus would ever properly promote their artists |
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"sign to rawkus? i'd rather be mouthfucked by nazis unconscious" - el-p |
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too true.. but aparently "independent as fox" [(c) comp flow] rawkus have some air tight contracts as all these artists are still held as POWs, their unreleased albums casaulties of war... |
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cheers travis |
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