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meaning of life is too elusive a thing to question. I just want to know how you define yourself, what is your identity. Be as broad as you are comfortable to be... what are you? |
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i am: clixby |
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pure energy slowed to a dense vibration. i can sense my surroundings through neuro-transmitters. |
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but there is something between your surroundings and the neuro-transmitter, no? vibration? |
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is that the name of that character in your avatar? it's quite wonderful. |
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no silly, clixby is ADJECTIVE the lovely avatar is of medli (zelda:ww) i want a gamecube already |
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I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. |
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you experience the world through your senses. To you, you seem like an "i"... it is strange, but to me, you are just another "you"... every single individual has their own consciousness and sense of "i" so no one individual is really as unique and the world is not as self centered as they might think, seeing things from their own perspective. This book "pattern in the stone" by daniel hillis talks about universal computers and computing machines and stuff and it actually throws a lot of light on consciousness and the computer of our brain. He explains stuff simply because he knows what he's talking about. our brain is a product of evolution. everything I wrote here is stupid, except the book suggestion. |
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"you experience the world through your senses" maybe i am that which i sense, what i feel, internally and externally. |
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so are you going to tell me what clixby means? |
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CLIXBY (adj.) firmly uninformative briskly vague politely rude |
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So you see a river, and you ARE that river just because you see it? Maybe if you hold a grenade in your mouth and your brain ends up all over the river and everything else. |
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i love it, but it sounds so strange i can't imagine ever putting to use. i would feel akward methinks |
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do you think that before we knew that our brains were the density of our consious process that we didn't know what we were? we observe that our brains are central to experiencial process, but we don't experience ourselves as brains. |
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hahah .. too much. assuming the starting point of a self, it seems to me that ones identity changes in light of context ... although if you're talking about the essence of the self, then you're bound to get yourself into a pickle. |
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Why do people assume that the "self" is a fixed permanent thing? |
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see, i think that that's just it, the self is fluid, like nature, like consiousness. changes in light of context. i understand my body to be the focal volume of my consiousness (for ordinary waking state), not the limit to what i am. |
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paranoid, art, obsession |
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i don't, that's why i asked this question. not so you could question us, but so ou could make some assertions. i like to get the span of understandings. |
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want pie now |
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mmm... still usually (ie. when i go to the cornershop to get some milk) i don't think about my identity so explicitly, perhaps implicitly - but that would need to be argued for. truth is a pickle. |
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korben, you write strange things :) we still don't know a lot about how brains work, but they're making parrallel computers now and "neural networks" which I guess are getting closer. I guess with a normal computer, only one thing can happen at a time (really fast though of course), but with a parrell computer, many simultaneous things can happen at once. the internet has the potential to be a huge parrallel computer I've read. (imagine shrinking the internet down to a microchip..) uh, well before we had enough science to know that our brains are our biological computers, we just had to guess. Some people guessed hat the earth was flat. They are probably right, as I have never sailed around it myself. |
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i don't think the flat earth's a fair analogy. i do think it is incredible how the internet forms patterns not unlike neural networks. i also find it fascinating that large portions of the earth's surface is filled with mycelial networks (of fungus) of a pattern not unlike the brain or the internet, or the jeweled net of indra. paul stamets goes so far as to say that the reason he is such a mycological genius is because he has acknoweldged the conscious nature of the fungus therefore allowing communication. maybe he's a nut, eh? sure is a revolutionary scientist though ;) |
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wmw: do you think about your identity/self when you cook/eat pikelets (hotcakes i believe you people refer them as)? :) in asking the question we've already presupposed the answer - the question can't make sense without already having a vague idea of what the question is about. |
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there's already weird unpredicted "biologicalish" uh, viruses or something, like spam pop ups. I havn't read anything about mycelial networks, the jeweled net of indra, or paul stamets. book recommendation? I like nuts. |
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jupitah .. i think the world is flat is quite a good analogy - who knows in 182 years they might frown upon us thinking it was round? we think it absurd these days to consider the world flat, but that is because its understood in a different context. (eg. Kuhn and incommensurability). Similarly it would have been absurd for them to consider the world round?! |
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i think i'd like intensely egg shaped worlds :) i hear that ours is slghtly pear shaped. |
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hmm... not really, but I'm doing something innately (eating) so I can reproduce. I'm computing where I move the spatula and stuff. you have to think about where you move your hand, and your hand is part of your self, so I guess I do think about myself when I eat those pikel l... uh, pickled eggs you mentioned. Making art seems to lack genetic reproductive purpose, but maybe it's for memetic purpose instead. |
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i've only read articles about and by paul, and one of my proffessors knows him. his family business with some interesting articles is www.fungiperfecti.com. i've also bumped my old topic you should read. |
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jeweled net of indra is some sort of mythological place of sanatana dharma ("hindu") tradition. it's been a while, but i know it involves an infinite network of jewels, the faces of which reflect you, or something. see the alex gret artpiece "universal mind lattice". i think the idea is that there is a spiritual/psychological component of this natural network pattern. most patterns in nature repeat themself in psychology and spirituality because the psyche and spirit are not separate form nature. this is the basis of most indigenous knowledge, knowing life through living with nature rather than fragmenting it and studying it microscopically. |
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"alex grey" |
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indigenous people knew that living creatures were based on some vital thing they called cosmic serpents, twin serpents, or twisted latters... dna. they knew about it before microscopes. |
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alex grey aint as grey as he used to be |
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i am . focus primarilly on the last bit of that last definition...about being the most worthless thing possible. that's me. =] |
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i think of life as a puzzle game, where finding out how to disillusion the "self" and finding out ways to move the "self" outside the bounds of reality. to move into resonances of chaotic sets. what is the self? i sugest taking disasoiatives. i'm not a wise man. to claim so would be very un-wise. just an infant with a rubix cube before him. |
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the soul and the mind together. |
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The term 'Self' is explained quite well at the end of Metal Gear Solid 2. but i can't remeber for the life of me what it is |
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<- free soul |
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elated caution - the soul is the body and mind together.In the view of friends religion anyway. I am what you see me as and nothing more. to me,im young confused and a constant contradiction - making me allways right :p anon |
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Of course if you asked me this question another day i'd have another answer because each day teaches me something new and changes how i think by about a few inches. anon |
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moony. |
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as barbra kruger said "I shop therefore I am" |
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Absolutley Fantastic ;oD |
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the self? in what aspect, what definition, what context? spiritual, physical, metaphysical...? the list goes on...and on.. sorry to say, but this question is about as vague as the meaning of life one.. |
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if the human mind was simple enough to understand, we'd all be to stupid to ask that question |
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hey, you've got a point there :)) |
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i can't take credit for that comment it was on a docu ;P |
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eh who cares.. just pretend you made it up.. plagiarism is so trendy these days ;) |
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i am having an identity crrisis, and its making me and angrrry and i'm losing frriends and its fucking me up. i just don't know what i believe orr how i want to be seen orr how i want to live. its harrd. |
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i see my self and can't accept what i'm seeing wherre once i could, but i don't know what i want to be seeing. i make comments about my stance on the whole pop industrry and have a 2 sided arrgument battling it out in my head. darrn. |
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