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look at autechre discography... with their eps they seem to make the first step into the next adventure , the next album... but what has gantz graf has to do with draft 7.30 I dont see the relation? |
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yep thats right its just what they did in between :) its a killer |
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The artwork... And I think the drum sounds on Draft 7.30 sound like those on Gantz Graf... |
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i mean its a number 7 maybe theyre trying to mess with your head. |
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I just bought Draft 7.30... sounds good so far... I bought EP7, Confield, and now Draft 7.30 in the last 2 weeks or so... and starting friday I have two weeks off to enjoy them!!! WOOHOO!! :) The gantz graff dvd thing was at the store as well, but it is like 22.99 or something... will have to get that later... |
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$22.99 OUCH !! its like $8 or $9 here in your friendly country down south |
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hmmm, I don't really know. I mean garbage were comparable to amber I think. And further, I just somehow look at the album and the ep as a whole. Sounds odd maybe, but Anvil vapre-Tri repetae is a good combination, as is Chiastic-envane. And where would you put the peel sessions, the anti ep? I don't know where to put Gantz either... |
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I would put envane with tri repetae anti... (well this was a special case) garbage is a good bridge from amber to peel session 1 and tri repetae ep7 and peel session were the first attempts for confield cichlisuite is like the end of chiastic ... though it is not related with lp5 (imo) |
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some times they are related with the previous album other times they announce a new direction... but gantz graf? is it related with confield or draft? i dont see it |
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just in between |
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Interesting, I can follow what you're saying. I don't really know the exact release dates, so I can't tell you wether the ep was before or after the album. I also look at the lay out, and that says a lot, most of the time. You can easily compare anivl vapre with tri repetae, envane to chiastic. Chicli can indeed be seen as leaving chiastic slide era, and it's indeed not connected to LP5 (not more than any other release of course, as they are all connected by Ae). Where would you put anvil vapre? |
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anvil vapre is with tri rpeate... for me its before but not sure but in any case, all of them seem to have a connection with the albums near to them (before or after). maybe anti is an exception, but it has a social will (criminal justice bill) and actually its like 3 years ahead of its time, wiht one of its tracks being like a chiastic track (almost) |
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By the way, who else thinks that the artwork of Garbage is the cover of Amber glitched to death ? |
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sure is :) |
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It is, that's also what I meant with the artworks being connected. Look at the covers and one can easily relate them. |
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I always thought it was a mix of incunabula and amber covers |
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They all are in a comparable style to the album near them, except for Anti en Cavity job. And Gantz is definatly one that stands on its own. You have to do this: listen to all their records in the right order, and you will hear they relationships and also the evolution from Incunabula (as i don't really take Cavity job as comparable to Incunabula) up till now. That's is really an interesting journey. (takes some time though). |
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yea I ve dont that... I like those days that I just listen to one band I have: incunabula basscadet ep amber garbage peel session 1 anvil vapre tri repetae envane chiastic slide cichlisuite lp5 ep7 peel session 2 confield gantz graf ep gantz graf dvd draft 7.30 (I am missing 5 autechre releases still, including anti ep) |
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I have Tri Repetae++ and Draft 7.30, after I have Confield and LP5 I'm not bothering with any other Autechre. |
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The ones you're missing are records that don't really belong in the chronological linkage thing. I forgot to mention, but according to me splitrmx and We r are why don't belong in the line. They're good though, no doubt about that. |
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how can I get those and cavity job? |
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I want this: autechre: Cavity Job We R Are Why / Are Y Are We? anti ep radiomix Splitrmx12 (are this available in cd???) gescom: all of them |
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Good luck, then. |
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Well, they are available on p2p networks all over. I bought Anti ep at a local shop two years ago, so it should be available. For Ae releases: anti is available on CD, the rest is vinyl only. (radiomix is only on mp3). For gescom, I'm not sure, but I think they all are available as limited vinyl releases (except for Minidisc that is), although Iss:sa is out on CD as well. With a lot of cash you can try e-bay or so, every now and then they're availble there at ridiculous high prices. |
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I just want cds... I dont have a vinyl player |
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splitrmx is a 12" only isn't it? great release though. |
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to me the similarity of the two releases, in percussive patterns, the way their tempos role, it's obvious. |
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i find that gantz graf very obviously goes with draft 7.30. |
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ehh i didn't see the second page. i completely agree with you, i said the same thing in another topic. |
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Cavity Job: 12" only We R Are Why / Are Y Are We? : 12"only anti ep: all formats radiomix: cd only Splitrmx12: 12" only anti ep and We R Are Why / Are Y Are We? shouldn't be too hard to find. the rest - hard to extremely hard (radiomix is VERY rare). |
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radiomix is amazing. |
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I find Gantz Graf very disappointing, and Draft, going pretty much the same line, disappoints me even more, but I like Draft because it's more accessible, it even has some hiphop-like beats, and since Gantz Graf is very inaccessible, I think I don't like it more than Draft, and since I don't like Confield too, Draft disappoints me even more, and to think, Gantz Graf has been done years ago and it's very accessible compared to Confield, if you look at the same side that we all loved in Draft, which is their best album up to date, unlike Gantz Graf, which is like a sudden breakdown after the glory of Confield. Confield predicted a lot of things that'll be put on Gantz Graf later, and since I think Confield is very inaccessible in the same way in which Gantz Graf is not, I think Draft is a good album, but very subtle and hiphoppy. And since I hated Confield, I think that Gantz Graf is a big step forward and that they should know what they're doing, Gantz Graf is pure WONDER, I was amazed by its similarity to Draft, which is shit IMO. |
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I think this deserves a separate topic. Don't you agree? |
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nacmat: You've just listed the exact releases I am lacking myself. However, I don't really care about being a Gescom completionist, even though I'd like as much as possible. Also, the splitrmx and radiomix, like their names suggest, are nothing more than remixes .. so I don't really care to bother with those either. Not to mention they're very rare ... Although I am not sure if splitrmx are remixes or covers ... why r we or whatever it's called.. I thoight it was going to be easy to find but I was very wrong.. |
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no, it's just a rambling opinion. |
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DID YOU BOTHER TO READ AND UNDERSTAND IT?! |
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envave with tri repeate ? no with chiastic.. |
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i think gantz graf fits nicely before draft. and cichlisuite is definitely a precursor to lp5 imo. this is why it's my favorite ep. |
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Gantz Draft is Teh best! =) |
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you and morgoth have the same opinion but for me envane is still geometric and not as organic as chiastic... but well I will listen to it again today to see if you two are right. cichli suite with lp5? I dont see that, but again I will have to listen to both to see |
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In the en, it's all a matter of opinion off course. It's just what I feel about it. And, it doesn't matter that much to me either, as I can enjoy all their records either connected or not, and that's the essence. |
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I am trying to send you a mail with my excel list but I am having problems... (with my mail) maybe I send it from another mail account |
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review about envane and chiastic that can help as all with this subject: from lonelymachines.org: .. / Envane Another Ep, Envane, followed less than a year later. It shows Autechre pursuing a style closer to the midtempo hip-hop of the Peel Session than the clinical precision of Tri Repetae. The sound itself is closer to that of Anvil Vapre, but the approach is more relaxed and deliberate. In many ways, Envane marked the last record on which Autechre did anything that sounded even vaguely conventional. *Chiastic Slide .... A casual listener would never have heard Envane, which is a crucial link between Anvil Vapre, Tri Repetae and this. As a result, the dark, organic and edgy material here would have seemed like the output of a completely different group. There isn't a single straightforward beat to be found on this record. If Tri Repetae was the sound of machines coming to life and chattering away to each other in the dark, then this is the sound of those machines trying to drag themselves out of a dark tarpit under the glare of acetylene lights on some forgotten evil robot construction site. |
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wow....autechre are still at their game as usual...this is autechre coming into their own AGAIN! I love the whole cd...this record will redefine autechre and their musical genius...Keep on autechre..after years you're not slowing down...too bad aphex and squarepusher or j-lo will be long gone and forgotten while you continue to surprise your fans....I love you! you the best! praise autechre! |
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If you take a look at the release dates (taken from www.autechre.nu) 1. Anvil Vapre Releasedate 2 Oct 1995 2. Tri Repetae Releasedate November 1995 3. Envane Releasedate Jan 1997 4. Chiastic Slide Releasedate February 1997 And the Peel session was recorded on 13/10/1995. It seems more obvious to put Anvil in the same perspective to Tri as Envane to Chiastic. The Peel session would have to fit somewhere in between, as you take Ae as evolving in a direct chronological order that is. And for me, envane is closer to chiastic both musicwise and artworkwise, than anvil vapre is. |
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I think I am finally agreeing with you... your argument is solid and mine is just an opinion... I think you are right, but anyway I ll listen to tri repeate, envane and chiastic in a row to see what I feel |
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ts |
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It's an opinion, and as stated, it nice that Ae have evolved, and that you can try to follo that evolution by listening to all their releases in chronological orther. And no matter how they are related, or are not related, I just love all of them, and that is the most important! |
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yes I love all their releases too... and thats indeed the important thing |
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damn. HAS NOONE READ MY MESSAGE?! |
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