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USACID
from Death Valley (Zambia) on 2003-04-22 18:00 [#00663958]
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when picking out a turntable which is better, i'm assuming belt drive...
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-04-22 18:02 [#00663963]
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Belt for hi-fi. Direct Drive for DJing.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-04-22 18:05 [#00663967]
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I'm guessing a direct drive would transfer more extraneous vibrations to the platter, right?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-04-22 18:10 [#00663972]
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Yep, but it offers higher torque which comes into play when keeping 2 records in time or scratching.
I'd advise you to get a belt drive if it's just going to sit on your hi-fi or you're on a budget, but direct drive (I favour Vestax PDX-2000s) for DJing. Don't listen to Technics fanboys, they're zealots who put the Jehovah's witnesses to shame...- demo as many decks as you can and pick some you like.
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grm
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-22 18:49 [#00664021]
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but Technics are the best around.
but for general DJing or starting up any old direct drive will do the job.
if you're just after a single seperate for your hi-fi to listen to those bastards who just do vinyl only stuff then definately look into belt drives.
(PS, don't listen to those who slate technics)
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USACID
from Death Valley (Zambia) on 2003-04-22 21:51 [#00664164]
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i'm not a dj of any type...i'd like to be but, thats a long ways off...
i just need for hi-fi audio...are you calling me a bastard GRM? i personally love the sound of vinyl over CD audio sometimes...esp. older stuff...like floyd stones...it just sounds great. to each their own....
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-04-22 22:01 [#00664173]
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I think GRM was referring to the artists who do releases only on vinyl meaning if you want it you have to have a deck to listen to it on.
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ifkardo
from 785.8 mb of radio babylon (Equatorial Guinea) on 2003-04-22 22:03 [#00664174]
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direct drive suckas !!! robert redford, grace jones, greta garbo, john wayne
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2003-04-22 22:36 [#00664195]
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as far as fidelity, technics may be the best... but vestax is incredibly innovaitve... with over 50% pitch adjustments... and vinyl cutters... make other companies look like lazy asses
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Dael
from the low end (Australia) on 2003-04-22 22:41 [#00664197]
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people scratch'n/mix'n on belt drives and doing it well?
I'd like to see that!
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ScreamUnheard
from Redmond, WA (United States) on 2003-04-22 23:01 [#00664201]
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Hahahah, I dunno about well but I have a 30 year old thorens belt driven turn table, and I have tried to scratch and mix. I figured out the secret is to remove the rubber pad on the platter, and the record will spin at the appropriate speed if you don't touch it.If you try and move it, the little thing that you can flip over to play 45s will slide, so you can scratch and mix. I only have one turntable, so I can't really do anything interesting, other than make obnoxious sounds.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2003-04-22 23:07 [#00664203]
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i hate belt drives... one of my turtables is a belt drive and it sucks ass... when mixing i have to change the pitch every three seconds
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-04-22 23:45 [#00664222]
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the tech 1200 is industry standard for good reason. also it has the highest resale value.
i got mine for 300 used. its been dropped, my cat sleeps on it, and it don't have no dust cover and it still works 1000 times better than my gemini xl-500 which i bought new (mistake) for about the same price.
i'm curious about that vestax monster though.. lots of neato bells and whistles.
If you have even the slightest urge to ever try mixing/dj'ing you ought to just start with the goods rather than getting stuck with some piece of crap down the road (see gemini xl-500 above)
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WeaklingChild
from Glasgow (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-23 01:26 [#00664343]
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theres absolutely no question!!!! direct drives are so much better...
also, people say that Technics are the best turntables on the market...thats not altogether true.
Its more of an "industry standard" as evolume said above... However, if you go down to the specs.... the newer Vestax tables are better, and probably more durable.
But that said, technics will hold their sell-on value no problemo.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-04-23 02:12 [#00664380]
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LOL, see what I mean?!
I take it you've not had a go on PDX2300s then? And I wouldn't turn my nose up at the new top of the line Stanton or Numark Decks either.
More and more clubs (particularly hip hop oriented ones) are switching to Vestaxx...
Weaklingchild is correct: Technics are the industry standard... If you buy them for that reason, fine, but it doesn't change the fact that Vestax have: more user replaceable components, are cheaper to repair, have higher torque, lower motor noise, cause less record wear and have vastly superior tracking.
Technics are better in the respect that:
a) They are built like tanks. But then, other decks are hardly made of glass. It's a musical instrument, treat it with the respect it deserves. You don't see cello players saying that their cello is better because they can twat it about and it doesn't get detuned.
b) They're the industry standard. Answer to this is easy enough; have a go on Technics from time to time and get used to using Vestax with virtually no weight on the tone arm (emulates the tracking of normally weighted Technics). I have PDX2000s at home and frequently use Technics when DJing and it's not hard to adjust by any stretch of imagination.
c) They hold their resale value, but this isn't a good thing, if you're buying second hand :P
As an aside, I could of bought 1200 Mk3s for the same price as my PDX2000s due to a trade contact. I'm not a vestax zealot who couldn't afford the extra £40 for a pair of Technics :)
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