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offline USACID from Death Valley (Zambia) on 2003-04-22 18:00 [#00663958]
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when picking out a turntable which is better, i'm assuming
belt drive...


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-04-22 18:02 [#00663963]
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Belt for hi-fi. Direct Drive for DJing.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2003-04-22 18:05 [#00663967]
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I'm guessing a direct drive would transfer more extraneous
vibrations to the platter, right?


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-04-22 18:10 [#00663972]
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Yep, but it offers higher torque which comes into play when
keeping 2 records in time or scratching.

I'd advise you to get a belt drive if it's just going to sit
on your hi-fi or you're on a budget, but direct drive (I
favour Vestax PDX-2000s) for DJing. Don't listen to Technics
fanboys, they're zealots who put the Jehovah's witnesses to
shame...- demo as many decks as you can and pick some
you like.


 

offline grm from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-22 18:49 [#00664021]
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but Technics are the best around.

but for general DJing or starting up any old direct drive
will do the job.

if you're just after a single seperate for your hi-fi to
listen to those bastards who just do vinyl only stuff then
definately look into belt drives.

(PS, don't listen to those who slate technics)


 

offline USACID from Death Valley (Zambia) on 2003-04-22 21:51 [#00664164]
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i'm not a dj of any type...i'd like to be but, thats a long
ways off...

i just need for hi-fi audio...are you calling me a bastard
GRM? i personally love the sound of vinyl over CD audio
sometimes...esp. older stuff...like floyd stones...it just
sounds great. to each their own....


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-04-22 22:01 [#00664173]
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I think GRM was referring to the artists who do releases
only on vinyl meaning if you want it you have to have a deck
to listen to it on.


 

offline ifkardo from 785.8 mb of radio babylon (Equatorial Guinea) on 2003-04-22 22:03 [#00664174]
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direct drive suckas !!!
robert redford, grace jones, greta garbo, john wayne


 

offline DeadEight from vancouver (Canada) on 2003-04-22 22:36 [#00664195]
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as far as fidelity, technics may be the best... but vestax
is incredibly innovaitve... with over 50% pitch
adjustments... and vinyl cutters... make other companies
look like lazy asses


 

offline Dael from the low end (Australia) on 2003-04-22 22:41 [#00664197]
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people scratch'n/mix'n on belt drives and doing it well?

I'd like to see that!


 

offline ScreamUnheard from Redmond, WA (United States) on 2003-04-22 23:01 [#00664201]
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Hahahah, I dunno about well but I have a 30 year old thorens
belt driven turn table, and I have tried to scratch and mix.
I figured out the secret is to remove the rubber pad on the
platter, and the record will spin at the appropriate speed
if you don't touch it.If you try and move it, the little
thing that you can flip over to play 45s will slide, so you
can scratch and mix. I only have one turntable, so I can't
really do anything interesting, other than make obnoxious
sounds.


 

offline sadist from the dark side of the moon on 2003-04-22 23:07 [#00664203]
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i hate belt drives... one of my turtables is a belt drive
and it sucks ass... when mixing i have to change the pitch
every three seconds


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2003-04-22 23:45 [#00664222]
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the tech 1200 is industry standard for good reason. also it
has the highest resale value.
i got mine for 300 used. its been dropped, my cat sleeps on
it, and it don't have no dust cover and it still works 1000
times better than my gemini xl-500 which i bought new
(mistake) for about the same price.

i'm curious about that vestax monster though.. lots of neato
bells and whistles.

If you have even the slightest urge to ever try
mixing/dj'ing you ought to just start with the goods rather
than getting stuck with some piece of crap down the road
(see gemini xl-500 above)


 

offline WeaklingChild from Glasgow (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-23 01:26 [#00664343]
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theres absolutely no question!!!!
direct drives are so much better...

also, people say that Technics are the best turntables on
the market...thats not altogether true.
Its more of an "industry standard" as evolume said above...
However, if you go down to the specs.... the newer Vestax
tables are better, and probably more durable.
But that said, technics will hold their sell-on value no
problemo.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-04-23 02:12 [#00664380]
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LOL, see what I mean?!

I take it you've not had a go on PDX2300s then? And I
wouldn't turn my nose up at the new top of the line Stanton
or Numark Decks either.

More and more clubs (particularly hip hop oriented ones) are
switching to Vestaxx...

Weaklingchild is correct: Technics are the industry
standard... If you buy them for that reason, fine, but it
doesn't change the fact that Vestax have: more user
replaceable components, are cheaper to repair, have higher
torque, lower motor noise, cause less record wear and have
vastly superior tracking.

Technics are better in the respect that:

a) They are built like tanks. But then, other decks are
hardly made of glass. It's a musical instrument, treat it
with the respect it deserves. You don't see cello players
saying that their cello is better because they can twat it
about and it doesn't get detuned.

b) They're the industry standard. Answer to this is easy
enough; have a go on Technics from time to time and get used
to using Vestax with virtually no weight on the tone arm
(emulates the tracking of normally weighted Technics). I
have PDX2000s at home and frequently use Technics when DJing
and it's not hard to adjust by any stretch of imagination.

c) They hold their resale value, but this isn't a good
thing, if you're buying second hand :P

As an aside, I could of bought 1200 Mk3s for the same price
as my PDX2000s due to a trade contact. I'm not a vestax
zealot who couldn't afford the extra £40 for a pair of
Technics :)


 


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