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Try to make a track with an unconventional time signature and then post it in this thread. I'll start (and probably be the only one who bothers). The track has to be composed in a structured way where smaller groups of x are used as building blocks to create bigger groups of y (and it can't be the traditional 4 units made of 4 units each). Here's mine: http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/wmw/ "7 groups of 7 groups of 7" It isn't a very good track, but it's ... well, it's a TINY bit of a smidgen interesting, to me anyway.. well I lied, it's not interesting to me either. But the point is that the entire track is made in an unconventional time signature (I have to repeat this concept to you because you are slow) *suddenly I forget what I'm talking about. This was going to be my second autechre remix, but then I realized that it sucks even more than my other autechre mix. Well in this track there are 7 time units (pattern rows), composed into a pattern of 49 total units (7 units of 7 units each) and then the 49 blocks are repeated in 7's too. I don't know why I'm writing so much since this track really does suck, but maybe you can do better. Even though nobody will bother. Ta ta! I wonder what I was writing about in this thread.. I'll reread it and probably find out I was talking lazagne and stuff. |
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underscore hurt me eyes |
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That's right folks, step right up, step right up. Don't be shy! Remember my last track creation suggestion thread?? It had 80 replies! EIGHTY replies!! How's that for credibility!? We at w M w have been in the track creation suggestion thread business for, eh, about THREE WHOLE DAYS!! While other people claim to have interesting ideas, we here at w M w DELIVER. |
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many of my tracks would be considered as having odd time signatures such as: "mharvefundp" kinda based on some noises that i made with really no solid timing or structure for the most part, "noyideot"-almost a 4/4 beat but with a bit missing, so it sounds like it speeds up, but it's really one tempo. "(un)pleasant" - don't know what time signature it is in but sounds odd. ah screw it most of them do.. if you want to listen: |
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mharvefundp was oresome, it did seem kinda noisy and free in structure. |
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thanks a lot. my newer stuff is becoming more and more like that song and less basic/loopy. |
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Oh yeah. This thread is gonna rock. I can tell. I have a special feeling about this thread. I wish it was 10 minutes from now already so I could read all the interesting replies. |
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I'll do one. |
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i did it by accident once because i didnt set my loop point properly when creating my drum track. |
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im doing one now, but i dont think its gonna be nice |
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i'll do one later when i wake up some |
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ok so i made this VERY SHORT piece in 6/8 signature... but i dont find this to sound very strange or something.. maybe ill expand this later |
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i guess i'll try it when i get home i've got so much on my musical plate right now, i'm gonna need a fuckin buffet |
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That was an excellent little track JAroen! It was more of a specific structure than Q4z2x's. 6/8 means 8 groups of sixes or something? I forget how that works. Often, you hear drumb and bass people like squarepusher or whatever, make music in 4/4 (well four groups of four is what I mean) but then they often do brief sections where they hit a percussion every THIRD or SIXTH row instead of every fourth (while still retaining the global 4/4 structure). A good example is themesong to cex's drum beat. But when you make something in some weird time signature, you can make brief sections in (normal) 4/4 to get the same effect or something. (I don't know what I'm talking about). |
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i have a track that i made about 1 month ago. it will be on an e.p. i am releasing soon. could i ftp it to someone or mail it to someone to post? If not, no biggie. |
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i just set floops to 24 steps/ pattern and start making a tune... (normal 32 or 16 steps/pat = 4/4 so 24 or 12 makes 6/8 or 3/4) |
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w M w the first little bit of that track is really good. i'm becoming quite the fan. |
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the reason 6/8 doesn't sound too odd is that you can essentially break it into 2/4 or something. you can get a pretty effective 6/8 feel in 4/4 by using triplets. Sequencer seems to be crap at triplets though (unless i'm missing something) I like triplets within othe triplets and also I like even odder groups of 7 superimposed on groups of 8... rather like The Rite of Spring... but hard to do in a sequencer. Using a 4/4 time sig and 'thinking' in 7/8 or something can work well... you just have to think about it a bit more. One of the movements of Tchaikowsyks' (sp?) 6th symphony is a waltz, but it's in 5/4 (I think)... i like that idea...quite odd. |
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oh yeah... good example of 4/4 sounding weird - 'Pyramid Song' by Radiohead. it's all in 4/4 but finding a beat can be quite tricky. |
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emu love- you can email it to me if it's under 1000 k (hotmail), but it really would be the same amount of effort to just put it up on zebox (instant access uploads) cool you like it ambsace, people often seem to like my simpler stuff. If you have a pattern of 12 total steps, you have the option to break the steps down into various sized units. For example you can make it 3 groups of 4: 1234,1234,1234 = 12 total units or you can make it 4 groups of 3: 123,123,123,123= 12 total units. Odd numbers like 5,7,9,11 etc are the weirdest. I think I'll make another one because I am soooooooo bored. |
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I guess I know one main reason for people commonly using "4/4". Let's look at three possible composition structures. 2X2X2 (the normal one) 12,12 3X3X3 123,123,123 5x5X5 12345,12345,12345,12345,12345 7X7X7 1234567,1234567,1234567,1234567,1234567,1234567,1234567 (the reason is that the higher the number, the longer the pattern must exponentially be, and the longer the harder to comprehend as something that fits together in some logical way) so for example in the 5X5X5, a main melody loop would start (the loop would begin) on every 5th group of 5. And there you have it. Conclusion: I don't know what I'm talking about. |
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hey, you're makinn these comps to fast. i'm still working on my i click sound |
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yeah, please e-mail me your addy so i can send it to you. it's hard to explain, but if i post a link to it here, it could invalidate my participation in the ae mix contest. my e-mail is in my profile |
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actually i'll put it on zebox. its bigger than 1000k |
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Why don't you guys remix Aphex 51/13 Singles Collection and convert all songs to 51/13.... |
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Well these aren't produced with a teapot budget or anything. They're only a compilation in the sense that they are all in one thread. I'm still interested in hearing tracks made with one click sound. |
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i have a some songs in 'odd' signatures, but i think only one is online... tunteja, shifting 5/8 and 6/8 mostly, but it's kinda dull really.. if you're interested anyway: click: english-apokalyps-tunteja |
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Okay, I made another, with an odd number again but this time 5 (five groups of five) http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/wmw/ "5x5x5" I didn't spend much time on this either. but it does what I talked about above a lot. (even though the main sound strikes follow the rows of 5's, sometimes every THIRD or FOURTH etc (something other than 5) is struck to make it "squarepusherized" or whatever. I'll listen to that one fat ass. |
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cool M i've downloaded some of your odd tracks but haven't listened to them yet... |
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i like the album artwork for apokalyps. listening to the track now... |
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doh! I can't play this file type. BUT I must say I was rather entertained by moving the mouse over the track titles. Since each individual title slightly increases in font size, together, they look like wiggly jello when you move the cursor over them! WEeeee!! |
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(you should get an iuma account. they let you have 10 songs uploaded and it's instant access uploads, and they are normal file types.) |
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aw... you're on winamp? here's a . |
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nice, but it's one of my least favourite's from the record actually, just fit this thread... |
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here is my track, its called it's going to be on my upcoming EP but under a different artist name... |
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ha ha, that made me larf. but I was just recovering from one of those moods where everything that exists, or at least all the data entering your senses seems completely rediculous. I like it a lot, it sounds like a normal track, but then it stumbles along with drum strikes in places you don't expect. |
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i just finished making a track at school. it was pretty messed up, it was a 4-4 beat in it sometimes, but most of it its just noise and static. ill upload it somewhere soon so peoples can hear it. keep in mind its my first forray into electronic music since i discovered afx |
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well, team. i finally got something i'm willing to put up here for your listening hear...right. and...listen to...right. . |
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HAH. and i just realized that this is the wrong thread. ah well. but hey...it combines your last "compilation thread" and your latest "compilation thread". so...uhm. yeah. ...and stuff. |
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That was cool. These minimal "one sound" tracks are all sort of... eerie. I like your other 2 tracks too, they sound like incunabula or amberish. Please tell me how to make it so letters get crossed out like that. |
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strikeout? < s> words here < /s> without the spaces between those...tag...thinger-dingers. give 'er a try. and thank you very much. that's quite the compliment seeing as how i idolize ae and my favorite albums happen to be incunabula and amber. i could kiss you. you big cutie... |
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o strikeout=s) how about red etc? |
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does anyone else here not ever really think about these type of things? i don't really even know how to read standard musical notation anymore, or what the the different time signatures are in my songs and evrything. it seems like i end up writing songs with fucked up timing kind of naturally, which can make it difficult to work with other musicians sometimes |
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you can't seem to use the 'font' tag with xltronic...so i really have no idea. or maybe i'm just an idiot. |
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q4z2x >> im in the same boat, i havent a clue really, just trial and error and using my ears (and software). |
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yeah sometimes i just put a random number of beats to make up one bar that repeats, and then try to make it work and sound at least halfway natural. |
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There are all sorts of ways to do it. If you just choose a random number of rows, like 46, and put sounds in there fairly randomly, then that whole thing acts as one unit since it doesn't have any sort of repetition inside it. What I often like to do is have a fairly short beat, like 32 rows of random stuff, but then each time a new row of this loop of 32 starts, there are slight mutations from the main "prototype" of the original data. |
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