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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2842.htm |
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Interesting. You know what really bothered me? Rumsfeld! Yesterday he was talking that media was bad because they mentioned the chaos in Iraq. The media should focus on the liberation of a country according to him. He was also minimalising the chaos, saying that it was only marginal. I've seen images enough not to believe Donald. And one more thing, yesterday belgian television showed which buildings were protected by the army. No ministery was protected, besides the ministery oil. It makes my believe stronger about what the real reason for this war was... |
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the truth will out :) |
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i've heard enough orwellian doublespeak come from donald's mouth not to take anything he says without a big brick of salt. |
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if oil was the purpose of war in this matter, the us gov/world/whatever could just have withdrawn their sanctions against iraq, and get their oil that way - sounds a hell of a lot easier and cheaper to me to buy their oil at market price rather than to launch a full-scale war which most likely costs more no matter how you look at it. I don't believe the oil-theory for a second - it's just a logical consequence of it all. |
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It appeared to me the US wanted not to buy it cheap, but to control oil industry. But actually enough has been said about this matter here, there's plenty of topics about it elsewhere, each and everyone has their opinion which we probably will not change... I'm actually sorry I brought it up again. |
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yeah, to be perfectly honest, I don't know what I'm talking about, so I should probably put a sock in it :) |
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sorry to continue the topic, but my opinion is that it's not so simple as a single motivation. i'm sure the oil was a single motivation on top of others, including the fact that bush truly believes in this war. |
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You're right, oil in itself probably was not enough, but as ngolax said: we don't know enough about it I guess. |
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yeah. it's undoubtedly quite a complex situation, but we all have the right to express our concern. |
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We'll know how successful the Saddam-ousting was in a couple of years when another couple of large American buildings fall down go boom. |
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Fraud my arse. The marines hardly have the square blocked off, people can be seen entering and/or leaving bottom right. In fact, having watched the whole thing on TV I can say I saw people wandering in and out of the area all the time. The language to the right of the main image is disengenuous too. It says 'The toppling of the statue was promoted as a massive uprising'. Was it fuck. It was reported as a bunch of people toppling a statue. There would be no point in saying it was an uprising when at that stage it was clear the Iraqis weren't going to put up much of a defence. There was nothing for them to rise against. It's also worth noting that the square in question never used to have very many people in it at the best of times, so that photos is actually very busy compared to usual times. Could the toppling have been instigated by pro-US militia? Absolutely, but that's no surprise and the Iraqis would have done it sooner or later anyway. |
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by going into this war america: 1) stimulated the weapons industry 2) gained control of the oil resources in iraq... as opposed to having to buy them 3) whipped up america into a hateful frenzy which has allowed them to crack down on civilian protestors without fear of reprieve 4) gained territorial position for future conflicts with Syria, Iran, etc. 5) gained a foothold in the gulf... as far as i know, the intention is to build a pipeline that runs to the gulf, where oil will be shipped to china: a country of over a billion people who are becoming more and more oil dependant 6) further distracted Americans from horrendous economic problems 7) stimulated further enmity with various anti-american groups, which will hopefully cause another terrorist attack on American soil, so that they can pass Patriot II (http://www.dailyrotten.com/source-docs/patriot2draft.html) |
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....i think the point is just that these kinds of events are more staged than most poeple like to think and than the media portrays them as... i mean, likening it to the berlin wall is ridiculous.. but that site has its own very strong bias too.. |
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what is important is that this event was reported being in the misdst of streets absolutely packed with iraqis and it was supposed to represent the feeling of the larger population of iraq. it was reported in various words that this event = proof that iraqi's were mostly overjoyed, when in fact the group was not that big. it was conmpared to the berlin wall! |
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what is important is that this event was reported being in the misdst of streets absolutely packed with iraqis and it was supposed to represent the feeling of the larger population of iraq. it was reported in various words that this event = proof that iraqi's were mostly overjoyed, when in fact the group was not that big. it was conmpared to the berlin wall! i'm sick of so much damned spin in "real journalism." all the major american media sources are misrepresenting everything surrounding this whole war. |
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well, that's how you become "american" swallow all the propoganda they feed ya |
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I found it funny how the tearing down of yet another statue was hailed worldwide as if it was Saddam himself that was being pulled down. I also wonder what they promised the guy who was holding up this picture of today's satan, bush or did they solely film Kurdish crowds to make it look like the whole of Iraq was suddenly welcoming and cheering the unbelieving dogs that were the Americans not too long ago according to the Arab world. |
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at this stage I just dont know what to fucking believe |
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me too. i don't hands down just buy this hoax hypothesis, but it bugs me that i can't remember seeing any coverage of the statue scene from a distance that would prove the size of the crowd that was claimed. |
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the plot thickens |
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