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Does anyone know who you even start to go about programming drums Aphex Twin stylee. As someone who likes to think he knows something about drum programming, it amazes me when I hear aphex twin that he's meticulously programmed those beats. Or has he? Are there some magic tricks that he uses? And then along comes "Befriend a Child Killer Remix" by Venetian Snares and I'm even more bewildered how anyone can do this! Can anyone point me in the right direction. |
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hmm well ive just been having this discussion with a mate of mine.. we both do electro.. first of all. work from the ground up. dont focus to hard on tricky experimental effects cause theres ultimately not a lot of substance behind them focus on your step notation, try to emulate human factors of swing and so forth. now to do that its going to be a real time thing, lots of tweaking and switching between channels but yeah my current thought are keeping the tempo fluid, manipulate that freely, stop and start your phrases when it feels good (you Will feel it :) ).. and having sets of rhythms that are simliar but subtley different.. elements placed slighty of their original centre.. its all in the groove. not in showing off how fast you can roll a sample :) |
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There's an interesting article on the Propellerheads Reason website, that even mentions aphex twin. There's an mp3 that sounds pretty good, but I doubt that this is the way Mr James does it. http://www.propellerheads.se/home/discover/articles/reason0 2.html |
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it's actually pretty simple. From the moment you understand what the beats are all about it's not that difficult anymore. |
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once you've got a hang on it, it's very easy with fruity loops |
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I'm a big fruity loops fan myself. I have managed to get some cool effects using the arpegiator, and setting the range to 1, so it plays the same pitched note (drum) lots of times. |
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sample, cut, resample, cut, assemble. add effects accordingly. rinse and repeat. |
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Question for FruityLoopers: Is there anyway to alter an individual pattern without making a whole new one? For instance if you want to change the end of a pattern for a single bar, you have to copy and paste in a seperate pattern...or at least I do...is there any hella easier way? Please, PLEASE tell me, I end up with having to making dozens of fucking patterns of very similiar loops just to get some variation. |
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there isn't. I know, it's fucking annoying, but it's just the way it is. I hope future updates will include more individual pattern options like changing the speeds of an individual pattern or make one shorter than another. |
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i'd listen to rockenjohnny using tricks is lame and proves you really don't know what your doing i;m more into building squarepusher like beats - what tend to do is subdivide the phrase by a prime number 3, 5 or 7 and then subdivide again if the phrase is long enough... then i put in one accent hit and a few de-accents- normally the accent will be at the beginning or the end of each subdivision or maybe i just feel it out and been doing it so long i'd like to believe I have a method sometimes i'll let a drum loop just loop sometimes i rebuild every measure- sometimes from scratch every time |
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How's life in the imagination world? I'm doing quite well. |
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fruityloops i see well youre on the back foot there cause you cant do in depth step notation. look for some kind of sequencing program.. i use hardware sequencers myself so i wouldnt know what to recommend.. anyone? |
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cs96and, if you want to use floops for this. Make sure you make/get some high quality drum samples. Then pull the speed up to about 280 bpm and start making the beat. I can't really describe everything, but you gotta have atleast one 'shika' sounding sample. I hope you know what I mean. Take a basic drum n bass beat for example. It's often like: boom boom shak shika shika boom shak. That shika is a very imported element in drum n bass beats. Also try and delay some snares. Click on your snare in fruity loops. The editing window will appear. Click func and pull up the feed to about 140%, than pull down the time to 0:02 and change the number next to it into anything you like to make the delay roll longer or shorter. You can also Pitch it up or down by changing the pitch level. I hope that'll work for ya. |
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is shareware and totally kicks ass if you get into it. Or maybe you could try and make idm with inside the confines of the NES's audio abilities? |
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sorry, I didn't mean 0:02 you can choose any time you like. but I think 1:00 minute or so is best for creating the effect that I was aiming at. |
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Essential: Get the 'Bouncy' VST, lightning fast delay, you can get a very nice Bucephalus Bouncing Ball effect with it. |
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you CAN do in depth step programming in fruityloops. just wanted to clear that up. |
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not with 3.56 for sure |
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oops nevermind |
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How? |
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yeah youy can definately! use the piano roll and snap it to 1/2 or 1/4 notes. hell if you snap it to click you can move any beat anywhere you want. i could make snares play notes if i squeeze em close enough together. also, fruity studio now lets you change the length of any pattern and move it anywhere you want, just like the piano roll. some people dont like using the piano roll for beats, but its really the only way to go. you just make drumkits using the layer function. |
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pfff... you can do watever you want in fruity, just have to do it differently example : use a a tempo twice higher than the one you use and double your pattern length so that you have twice as many steps OR use the piano roll to make beatz, this way no frustration and copy/paste is faster than with patternz bottom line : USE YOUR IMAGINATION IT'S ALL ABOUT CREATIVITY |
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: > |
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yeah....ive never used the step sequencer. piano roll has so much more power! |
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its all fine and well doubling your tempo but you cant go into thirds of steps or other tricky fractions, unless youre going to use yet another trick. thats not what i call in-depth |
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quantise |
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yeah you can. no tricks involved, you can have a beat wherever you want! its that simple! |
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actually, quite the oposite. the quantize will allways make beats land on bars, 1/2 notes and 1/4 notes. without the quantize on (snap to click) you can place beats anywhere. between 1/4's 1/8's 16ths, 128ths...... anywhere. |
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i have to say that i work in fruity now for about a year. drum programming is the most difficult part ! that's why i started simple. techno, hip hop beats and stuff. now i make more complex beats. oh yes, nobody mentioned the slicer tool ? it's fuckin awesome !! |
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i dont use samples, so ive never really played with the slicer. |
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triplets are oh so very important.... i had problems with fruity loops crashing back in the day and haven't cared for it since... that was probly 2.0 or 3.0 or something... in fact i tend to turn my back on all commercial wares like that... Reason included |
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Xammax: i think the best way to get "variation" with out making a lot of patterns is to go about using fruity loops in a totally different way then you probably do. For example: i use fruity loops but only as a "sketch pad" so to speak. I generally try to write a bunch of drum loops, melodies etc in fruity loops. then i extract all the wave files and use Acid or other sequencing program to arrange them. in acid it is very easy to cut up your wave samples, pitch shift them, add effects, re assemble, change the speed and just about anything else you can think of. Acid is pretty easy to learn and you can probably download it and a crack for it very easily off of Kazaa Lite or something. I find it much easier to write in this format rather than trying to use Floops play list and effects. here are a couple examples of music i wrote this way. though these are not my best tracks, just the only ones i have posted. catnip is a simple little techno track gutterbug is cute. these were both started in fruity loops but arranged in Acid... then mastered with T-Racks and Sound Forge |
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man, if you like acid you should try sonic foundry's vegas. bassically a hyped up acid. you can automate all your fx. been a while since i played with acid....maybe you can do all this by now? |
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Cubase is tops for drum programming. It's all about increasing the resolution, from say 1/4 beats to 16ths or 32nds etc. The finer the resolution, the greater the detail. A good trick I find is to just strt with a normal 4/4 hip-hop beat, then add in some snare rushes. It's all about filling in the gaps. I'm sure these guys like Aphex and venetian snares and squarepusher have a technique that they can use easily, although its really time consuming putting all the dots in the drum edit. |
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there's no trick. but fuckin 20 years of hard work ! |
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Someone, for the love of God, put FruityLoops Studio on Kazaa. |
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mail me if you want it matrigs@wp.pl |
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indeed more time = more skill |
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fruityloops does different time signatures, step editing, midi recording audio editing etc etc etc. just like cubase and logic and sonar. no difference. if you say it cant, then you dont know how to use it. |
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yeah, though i hear vegas is better for recording like guitars and vocals than Acid. i should check it out. I'd use cubase but then i'd have to learn a whole new program which is such a hassle you know? if i'm gonna learn a new program it will be Reason i think |
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do people really think aphex twin carefully positions every single little beep and beat? Hahaha, of course he fucking doesnt. That would take a hundred years. Machines are wonderful things. Did you think it was coincidence that his beats got faster as software got better? |
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of course he does. its called making music!!! |
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maybe not all the time, but im sure lots of his traks are completely programed by him. sometimes he might manipulate loops, but rarely. |
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But can you develop your own machines/effects for Fruity Loops and control them with a midi controller? That's why I use buzz... it has a development scene and I got a doepfer pocket dial. I'd rather build a machine I could control by dial to control snare rushes than use some random slicer. |
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are you nuts ? he gets his magic stick and says: huglabuglagugla (beats arrange !) and voila... song is ready |
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You can (sometimes) use Buzz machines in FruityLoops. |
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woah |
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yeah, you can use buzz machines in fruity. |
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ide rather use reaktor though to build synths. or synth edit. you can save your creations as vsti's. |
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there's many things that can be semi-automated when you know really well wath final result you want, like there is many way to make an effect trigger another, etc.. with many parameters you can do that in reason et all so technically people like aphex don't really put the little dots whenever your hear one drum hit or variations, one of the most useful way to make that is using echo delays that have parameters for the echos (freq, Q, pitch...) with that you put one hit and program the delays to make a pattern... so much tricks an all... this is where thez fun comez from =) |
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