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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-10 14:12 [#00643261]
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but it's not noise! and it's not objectively boring. i've experienced it in the exact opposite state of boredom, so i know it's not. you either just need to open up to it with hopes that there might be something there for you that you didn't catch before, or else you should forget about it. either choice is valid.
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2003-04-10 14:13 [#00643265]
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fernt !!
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hobbes
from age on 2003-04-10 14:14 [#00643270]
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"he made a loop, and fucked around with it it was kinda boring.. that's what happened to Draft.. not counting Surripere."
that was quite funny charles!
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-10 14:14 [#00643272]
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oh well, too bad you dont like it. I'm loving it, kinda like confield with more accessible elements, and parts that arent so accessible... they got the balance perfect imho.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-04-10 14:16 [#00643278]
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IV VV IV VV VIII!!!!
Enough said IMO. That is probably one of my favorite draft tracks so far. With that nice little melody. It reminds me of reconstruction or an overcoming of sorts. Just the fact that this song gives me this feeling merits an award to AE. They have been are and still doing great things musically. To say AE is dead is a sign of sure incompitence. No offence whatsoever.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-10 14:16 [#00643279]
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think i may get the Richard Devine cd Lipswitch soon, from the clips i've heard its kinda like confield, but more mechanical and has more ambient elements to it.
Anyone here got the cd? Is that an accurate description?
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-10 14:17 [#00643287]
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guy in your avatar looks like a cross between trent reznor and vincent what's-his-name (actor, musician)
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-10 14:19 [#00643295]
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that's not a bad description but, of course, it is its own thing. i'd recomend you buy it. alea mapper on the other hand just sounds like a cd to sample from, but i have to admit i've only heard it a few times, and never listened to it all the way through.
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Charles D Ward
from ASS, okay? (United States) on 2003-04-10 14:20 [#00643296]
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i listened to it each way, it's too long. it should be an interlude, it's cool and stuff, but only as a transition piece. because the first part is SO BLAZING.
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-10 14:21 [#00643301]
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it compares to confield in complexity i suppose.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-10 14:22 [#00643309]
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cool, think i'm gonna order it now :)
be interesting to see how Trent Reznor's work with him turns out.
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Charles D Ward
from ASS, okay? (United States) on 2003-04-10 14:23 [#00643313]
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sure! but the composition is fucked up :(
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-04-10 14:24 [#00643318]
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do you use cannabis? i'm not sure i've listened to gantz graf on a green high, but that stuff tends to make me hypersensitive, to music or whatever the stimulus.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-04-10 14:24 [#00643321]
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there are two versions, whats the schematic version??
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-04-10 14:28 [#00643343]
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as are many things in life. Music that emulates that IMO is great. It stands as a representation or symbolism. Wheather it is meant to or not. That's the great thing about music, what it means to different people!
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-04-10 14:37 [#00643387]
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Ward i just went to watmm and saw that the thread in question was written by one "skyfarmer".
Hmmm interesting coinscience! Silly screwball!
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Charles D Ward
from ASS, okay? (United States) on 2003-04-10 14:40 [#00643399]
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it emulates Muslimgauze's death, and that sucks
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Charles D Ward
from ASS, okay? (United States) on 2003-04-10 14:42 [#00643405]
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because i am skyfarmer
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-04-10 14:42 [#00643408]
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I am sorry!
I understand where you are coming from. Music that resembles something else is easy for compairison. And compairisons ruin music sometimes. :(
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2003-04-10 14:43 [#00643410]
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NO. I am skyfarmer! Muwahaha!
wait no.... no i am not.
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ScreamUnheard
from Redmond, WA (United States) on 2003-04-10 16:34 [#00643643]
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First of all, Incunabula is my 2nd favorite album of all time. (Download III is my first. Any Download fans here?) Secondly, I HATED Confield! I completely hated it when I first got it. I still continued to listen to it because I felt like the guys in Autechre knew what they were doing. And this week, I finally got it. I think even if you don't like the current musical direction that Autechre is taking (and I'm not sure I'm completely happy about it because I LOVE Incunabula) but you have to respect them for doing something new. They are experimenting with sound. For those who like Incunabula, maybe it's only good because there's not more of it to get sick of it. Those who don't like it, maybe there are other things that are too similar. But, there's not too much similar to their new direction. Confield has the most bizarre beats I've ever heard... They have a rhythm, but the are incredibly unique rhythms... I try counting the time and figure out what beats they on, but they aren't really sixteen notes, nor are they triplets..... Has anyone figured out what they are?
Gantz Graf is way cooler with the video, but I like the second part too. Obviously not as much as the first, but it still has some hidden rhythm... I have not received my copy of Draft 7.30, but from what I've heard it is definitely something interesting that will take a while to really evaluate. I feel like the reward when I finally "get" it, will be worth the wait. Plus, I enjoy evaluating music. I have all of the CD's that "Hilt" put out, (cEvin Key from Skinny Puppy and Download was in it) and I don't know if I like it or not. I still listen to it because I find it interesting. I enjoy trying to figure it out, and trying to evaluate it. I guess I'm a bit long winded, but the short answer is, I think you need to like puzzles to get Autechre's new music.
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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2003-04-10 20:39 [#00643897]
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Beethoven's 9th Symphony was called unlistenable upon its release. Kubrick's 2001 was condemned as self-indulgent garbage by the majority of critics at the time, and the same pattern holds for pretty much all revolutionary art for the simple reason that it is, by its very nature, completely novel and unique. Is the work of Picasso objectively crap simply because he broke all of the "rules" previously ascribed to what art is and can be? I love art that polarizes people, because it often signifies an artist who is daring enough to create the future instead of simply repackaging the past. As far as Autechre is concerned, I already have Amber, I don't need another one. And the same applies to all previous ae. I want to be challenged, and AE is one of the rare artists today who is actually willing to go all the fucking way.
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Charles D Ward
from ASS, okay? (United States) on 2003-04-11 05:30 [#00644538]
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I mean, he started doing the same thing and it ruined his music :(
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acidophilus
from the gates of dawn on 2003-04-11 05:35 [#00644543]
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hey screamer! i like download (and the other projects...). my favorites are probably III and effector.
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Charles D Ward
from ASS, okay? (United States) on 2003-04-11 06:05 [#00644563]
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download iii rules completely
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ScreamUnheard
from Redmond, WA (United States) on 2003-04-11 09:43 [#00644853]
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Awesome! I didn't expect there would be any other Download fans on here. Download seemed to be completely redefined after EOSP when Spybey left. I have to say, I like the post-Spybey Download better, but the earlier stuff is super awesome too. I'd have to say that Download is my favorite band. I have CLOSE to everything cEvin Key's ever done on CD. It's about 70 CDs..... Does anyone else NOT like the remix of "Killing Game" that Autechre did? You'd think combining cEvin Key and Autechre would be super awesome, but THAT seems like just noise... I should go relisten to it though... Maybe now I'd appreciate it more... It's been a while since I listened to Remix Dys Temper... Not the best CD in the Skinny Puppy library.
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-11 09:48 [#00644863]
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ugh. im WAY too tired to get into puppy and this whole conversation... needless to say, im gona brake it down to its core composites:
last rights = one of the best albums EVER. PERIOD. EVERYONE and their mom took notes form this thing. its a monster you cant kill. download III = my fav of all the download stuff. less noisy than eosp or furnace. more melodic. key's "ghost of each room" is also excellent. confield = awesome sleeping music. sorry to simplify it, but im tired. draft7.30 = one of the top 5 albums you're gonna hear this year, so start liking it.
for the record: ae aren't dead. they haven't alienated you. they are doing what they have always done, which is whatever they wnat to do. like it. respect it. embrace it. stop trying to force their music to be what you want it to be. let it be what it is.
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-11 09:52 [#00644865]
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oh, and skyfarmer: gantz graf loves YOU, why don't you love it back?
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-04-11 09:53 [#00644867]
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hey word on last rights.
i lived by that album for a year
(and look at me now)
downloads 'furnace' is a big favorite of mine.. im gonna borrow it off my mate and get all nostalgic :)
on topic, what a dumb topic :)
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-11 09:54 [#00644869]
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treu.
bleu.
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jenf
from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-04-11 09:59 [#00644876]
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what if you were in a white room with no windows, listening to gantz graf on lsd... really loud, i might add... with 'old navy' ads plastered on various sections of the walls...
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-11 10:00 [#00644878]
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hahahahahaha, that sounds like coked-up werewolf talk.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-04-11 10:03 [#00644884]
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yknow im gonna chuck gantz on right now :)
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-11 10:04 [#00644885]
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DO IT!
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-04-11 10:09 [#00644895]
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so glad i bought this
it sounds fsckin brilliant
canes the mp3s i got
theres a message there :)
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-11 10:11 [#00644898]
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when i finally pick that thing up, im getting the one with the dvd. no reason not to, same price.
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Charles D Ward
from ASS, okay? (United States) on 2003-04-11 13:16 [#00645129]
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i take ALL my words back.
Draft is great.
GG is a bit too long, but still great.
WOOHOO!!! i'm healed
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-04-11 13:18 [#00645132]
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youre a character :)
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Phlim
from Canada on 2003-04-11 13:33 [#00645158]
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Gantz Graf has owned me since its release...
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Charles D Ward
from ASS, okay? (United States) on 2003-04-11 13:49 [#00645175]
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damn right I am! fuckafuckafucka
every time i dislike something that everyone likes, i start a thread about it, and it changes my opinion very fast :D
social assimilation yo!
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Frag
from New Jersey (United States) on 2003-04-11 13:55 [#00645185]
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AE bores me in general...I can respect a lot of it, but I don't know why I do. I guess I only do because so many others on the board rave about it.
Some tracks I enjoy though. Vletrmx21, for example, while quite simple, is very moving.
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Frag
from New Jersey (United States) on 2003-04-11 13:59 [#00645201]
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While the rhythms are unconventional, I still like some of it, but i find a lot to be unenjoyable. I shoudl force myself to listen some day...Pen Expers is a great track off Confield...
Just wanted to add that in so you don't think I only like their older work...
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Zombiekev
from Ardmore (United States) on 2003-04-11 23:47 [#00645770]
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i love all of autechre's stuff. draft 7.30 rocks the grandma.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2003-04-12 00:00 [#00645778]
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the more y'all talk about Draft 7.30 the more i wanna buy it
and i've only heard IV VV IV VV VIII as an mp3 from Ae's new microsite
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-12 00:09 [#00645783]
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why didnt you listen to the 3 soundclips in the album section?
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Crocomire
from plante (United States) on 2003-04-12 00:11 [#00645785]
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does anyone else notice gantz graf is in 4 4 time all the way through?
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DaWeeze
from WANTED IN 16 STATES! on 2003-04-12 00:15 [#00645789]
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Yeah, I do, and it does it's DAMNEDEST to hide that beat, too... :D
BTW:
Charlie Ward: Ae is dead. Autechre: Charlie Ward is dead.
(Charlie falls to the floor, dead. Ae laughs. Ae are gods. Case closed. Over and out.)
;D
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-04-12 00:18 [#00645793]
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hey chester! did you get that job at the cereal factory?
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DaWeeze
from WANTED IN 16 STATES! on 2003-04-12 00:21 [#00645796]
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No...eheh...but I'm busy like Don Juan...eheh...*BLEEP*ing girls...
*nods*...eheh...yeah.
;)
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ziggomatic
from ??....uv ajed...deja vu....?? on 2003-04-12 00:21 [#00645797]
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get the bubbles chester!! get em! go..! you missed one! it's coming to get ya! IT's COMing to GET ya!! ...
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