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I was wondering how you guys felt about the idea of putting random elements into your tracks. I personally love the idea of it. I don't just mean "set everything to random, press play" but just having maybe one instrument going off in its own little world :) |
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Captain Beefheart- Trout Mask Replica So random and nonsensical, that it makes perfect sense. |
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pastiche is hardly random... don't bomb when you're a bong |
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eh? |
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Yeah I offten just record randommess. Some of it makes sense... |
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autechre seem to make a good living by using this technique |
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Dont let them hear ya say that :) I remember an interview in which one of the lads from AE gets well pissed of with a journalist who implied that they used randomness in their tracks.... or something |
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yeah they get on their high horses about the fact that nothing really is random, just chaotic, or summink. |
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I love random stuff. Often the correct word is pseudorandom, because nothing is really RANDOM. I like stuff that is like nature. |
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random is fun, and it can sound really good, but, at the same time, it can make u wanna rip ur eyes out, but either way, its all good! |
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randomness as in 'seemingly unpredictable' by the untrained ear of the listener makes sense i guess - but arguably anyone can make 'sense' and 'order' out of something that sounds random. once you get used to a song, or a noise, or anything, it becomes familiar, and then how can anyone tell you that it is random anymore, especially if you know what it will do? :) then it becomes predictable, right? and if it's predictable, it can't be random! |
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a random sequence of events repeated is not random, repeating totally negates the randomness! |
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i like to, for example, find interesting lines in fractals, loop them, use as a rhytm or to control something or whatever. |
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ummm, yeah this is great, and of coursed perfected (so to speak) by john cage... i.e. "fourteen" |
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i think you misunderstood what i said - the supposed random sequence of events you present, let's say, in a song, is kept in that structure, right? so if you were to listen to that song over and over, then the random aspect within the song becomes predictable. therefore, yes, i agree with you that repeating negates the randomness, and that is why i suggested that the 'random elements' in someone's track isn't really random at all, after more than 1 play. |
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and to add to that, the only way a song could be perceived as random to the listener, is if it is only played once and no more, or if the song somehow changes itself each time. |
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it's easy to make a song that's different every time, too bad you can't do it on cd :) |
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oohhk, umm i don't think that was directed to me, but i agree... brain eno did this too, but with like fifty different cd players for a gallery exhibition.... sick, no play would ever be the same... in "fourteen" the musicians were given shhet music with "notes" and a variable amount of time in which to play the notes for (duration) and a broad time in which to play the notes... |
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i believe however that the term cage used was "chance", not random... in accrodance with the zen buddhist philosophy of life |
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"I wouldn't mind if everyone had to use the same three tools to make music because ultimately it's down to your imagination" - Sean Booth, Autechre I think this also speaks for randomness |
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randomness in computer software will never be nature. i like randomness, i use fruity but i use the random option only because i'm to lazy to make the stuff for myselfs |
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it doesnt matter. If you hear something in random sounds you want to use, if definately has a reason. Every reason is your own choice, so what you end up with is still created from your minds work. |
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i thought some ae is kinda random... |
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what about "CD"? (it is made out of logarithms but since it claims to be "always different", it must have random elements in it...) |
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and this, from the liner notes of a Nerve Net Noise CD, "Meteor Circuit" (i don't have it yet but i'm thinking of getting it!): "At first, Nerve Net Noise enjoyed pure sound. These days, we try to think about music. We aspire to create music that is between played and not-played, between controlled and uncontrolled. We feel that consciously performed music can have too much evidence of human planning. But we also dislike random music that displays no evidence of human planning at all. We try to find a satisfying middle area with our albums." (they make their own synthesizers, set them up to make the sounds they want and let them play, only twiddling a bit from to time... from what i understood at least) |
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"Captain Beefheart- Trout Mask Replica" Trout Mask isn't random.. everything you hear on that has been perfectly put together, rehearsed and synched over a six month period. |
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Hmm music can't really be truly random... as music is the organisation of noise. :) |
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People type some mad nonsense on this board. :) |
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The only randomness in music is white noise. Just because a beat is skewed doesn't make it random. Just because there are many dissonant things going on at once doesn't make it random. Chaotic, but not random. |
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randomness is only achieved through the concept of infinity. |
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