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sine707
from Frankfurt (Germany) on 2003-03-26 03:07 [#00617044]
Points: 1285 Status: Regular
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Ok, there's a lot of shit going on recently. Many of the mods and especially the webmasters (including myself) are having real-life issues going on right now that
have a little higher priority than monitoring the board.
I guess I can speak for anyone of the crew. If I don't, please correct me.
Some members seem to be really pissed right now due to recent bans of more or less regular users, which I can understand fully. I'm pretty sure though that the respective
crew member had his reasons to ban that particular user, even if circumstances are shady.
I'd like to remind you: primarily, this is a music messageboard, where people can share their music interests, whether it is about electronic music or music in general. Other messageboards I know like to keep it
pretty strict to one topic (which would be electronic music
on this place), so I think you should really appreciate the
freedom that we're are providing for you. To our amazement, this place even became a place where people can discuss other topics about intimate personal things or political issues and make friends. not to mention
the heartful stat-competitions by nacmat and woofer that really give the majority of this community a great time. unfortunately some people take this very high amount of freedom for granted as they post useless, crappy and/or (sometimes) hostile topics.
Another reminder: As harsh as it may sound, we're not supported by a freakin'
foundation under public law, there's a shitload of money floating into this site each month and I think we can expect
some comprehension for our actions that some of you find fault.
another word to the recently banned members: if some of you think you got a raw deal, mail us instead of creating multiple accounts as it will make things
worse. if it was due to a misunderstanding, I'm sure it can be worked out in almost any case. creating another account and
trolling the board down cannot be the way, so please just
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TonePu5her
from lincoln !UK! (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-26 03:07 [#00617046]
Points: 3640 Status: Regular
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Can't we just shut the message board down for a couple of days,to let people cool of?
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p0pu1arUpr151n6
from the jungle (New Zealand) on 2003-03-26 03:08 [#00617048]
Points: 14 Status: Addict | Followup to TonePu5her: #00617046
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well done einstain
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martinhm
from York (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-26 03:16 [#00617066]
Points: 1657 Status: Lurker | Followup to sine707: #00617044
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next post will be your 1000th. part-y.
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sine707
from Frankfurt (Germany) on 2003-03-26 03:17 [#00617067]
Points: 1285 Status: Regular
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I was running out of space here...
... so please just mail us instead.
Another thing I'd like to mention is the highly unappropiate behaviour against one of our finest members and recently hired moderator Ceri JC.
He was just trying to keep things properly and so he needed to temp-ban and perm-ban some of the troublemakers as well as closing some topics.
By all means, I'd have done the same thing, he's just doing what a moderator is supposed to do, keeping the board the clean. I can't really understand why you give him shit about this.
Again, if some of you think they have been treated unfair, mail us instead of causing more trouble.
It should be worked out in almost any cases.
I'm kinda sad I needed to post this statement, but now it's time for your comments, statements, suggestions, etc.
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sine707
from Frankfurt (Germany) on 2003-03-26 03:18 [#00617068]
Points: 1285 Status: Regular
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I wish I could, thanks though.
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Kirkle
on 2003-03-26 03:20 [#00617073]
Points: 262 Status: Lurker
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Come distortured artists Bitter things seek meaning Even if they're madness to behold Once forbears to horizons Where the dead stayed dreaming Now nightmares waken souls That fear the living's toll
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-26 03:25 [#00617078]
Points: 10836 Status: Lurker
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Yes some topics have been ridiculous. But then there have always been ridiculous topics. I don't there's been that many more recently. The only thing Ceri did which I didn't really agree with was telling people not to post any more topics about the war, which was daft if you consider that most of the war topics went up to 100 posts within half an hour and people with 56k modems have a nightmare loading them. I know it's a music messageboard, but I bought NME and Kerrang! this morning and both of them feature the war for the first 10 pages - it's something you can't get away from, and most of them weren't nonsense topics. Flea was banned for protesting, rightly I think, against this restricition and that caused bad feeling all over the place. I don't even READ the war topics, I just thought that kind of restriction and subsequent action was unnecessary. I was sad Cort was banned too. But I guess a week off isn't the end of your fucking life is it? Aside from that, no problems, ban any troublemakers, close the shit threads... good job people.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2003-03-26 03:25 [#00617079]
Points: 8670 Status: Lurker
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i don't think there's anything to add here
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nacmat
on 2003-03-26 03:30 [#00617084]
Points: 31271 Status: Lurker | Followup to sine707: #00617067
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Ceri is doing a great job, it is a dificult time, but he really is doing his best and I apreciate it.
indeed it is a dificult time for the MB, but I hope we all calm down a bit and there is no more troublemaking
I am sorry that someone paying for this has to stand people talking shit about him or about whoever, I think some of us forget that this is free source for the members cos phobia is paying every month
I am sure though, that a nice weather will come back after the storm
and I am sure that the crew will keep the good work the are already doing
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2003-03-26 03:32 [#00617085]
Points: 8670 Status: Lurker
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oh yes, maybe one thing:
temp bans are o.k. this isn't so hard and i think, that people then have some time to think what they made wrong.
perm bans: one suggestion: maybe we could make votings ? all the members would vote if to ban him or not. some democracy
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TonePu5her
from lincoln !UK! (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-26 03:34 [#00617086]
Points: 3640 Status: Regular
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Hell,I even made a Ceri Jc appreciation thread!
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-26 03:37 [#00617089]
Points: 378 Status: Addict
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I am only replying to this because I feel like a lot of this statement is refering directly to me and Flea.
I was and still am so up in arms about this as I feel that flea was not causing the problems somebody else was (pantaliamon). I believe that Ceri JC didnt show the best of judgement under the circumstances. And I still see War threads being posted here, and being very popular as well. That makes Flea's banning even more unfair becuae starting new war threads was exactly what he was banned for.
As his wife and seeing the attitude of this board once Flea is unbanned I will be severely restricting his access to his board. Which means that you can all say goodbye to all the remixing and other strictly music based community activities he so eagerly used to initiate and participate in.
I think he is wasting time on this board.
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nacmat
on 2003-03-26 03:37 [#00617090]
Points: 31271 Status: Lurker | Followup to nacmat: #00617084
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about flea:
I am sorry he is banned, cos we all know how important he is.
he protested with those two threads about war when ceri had warned not to open new ones, well I think I understand flea, but I also understand ceri
ceri couldnt show a diferent behaviour towards flea, just because he was a friend
flea wasnt agree with the restriction, cos he who has never act troll, found it unneccessary to forbid the creation of new threads, I am sure he knew there was a lot of trolling around the war fact, but he believed there was no need for a restriction and he protested for that, he knew he was gonna be banned, I hope he come backs in a week.
I think he paid for other trolls who had deserved a ban instead of him
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Junktion
from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2003-03-26 03:40 [#00617091]
Points: 9713 Status: Lurker | Followup to sine707: #00617068
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dude...you are totally right. If people are tired of the board they should stay away, and If people love the board they should behave.
I love this board, and I have had my share of banned topics but mostly it's because my point of view maybe crossed the line of what is respected on this board. I fully understand banning topics of the need to keep the board clean, but I DON'T understand that people are trying to GET topics/profiles banned.
I really like this board, and for me it's a perfect harmony between chatting and discussing, and I would NEVER try to harm the board.
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-26 03:41 [#00617094]
Points: 10836 Status: Lurker | Followup to Red: #00617089
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"As his wife and seeing the attitude of this board once Flea is unbanned I will be severely restricting his access to his board."
Christ... is he under the thumb or WHAT?! :D
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Bob Mcbob
on 2003-03-26 03:42 [#00617099]
Points: 9939 Status: Regular
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i hate it when people are talking about incidents as if everyone is expected to know what they are talking about....i have no idea what happened with ceri or flea and i want someone to tell me to end the confusion, but i know if i bring it up people will voice their opinions rather then give facts and the fight may re-errupt.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-03-26 03:46 [#00617105]
Points: 50073 Status: Moderator
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hehe, seems like flea is in trouble, board giving him a hard time, his wife telling him what to do (what not to do)...terrible...
(i hope he returns...)
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Cfern
from Sacto (United States) on 2003-03-26 03:49 [#00617108]
Points: 1384 Status: Lurker | Followup to Red: #00617089
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wasting time on the board?
gee ya think ?
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Bob Mcbob
on 2003-03-26 03:50 [#00617110]
Points: 9939 Status: Regular | Followup to Bob Mcbob: #00617099
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and if someone becomes hated, and i start being nice to them coz im unaware, you might hate me too....and it must be confusing for the newbies....
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2003-03-26 03:50 [#00617112]
Points: 13411 Status: Lurker | Followup to Jarworski: #00617094
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Pussy whipped!!!!!!111111
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-26 03:51 [#00617113]
Points: 378 Status: Addict | Followup to Jarworski: #00617094
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No he actually has things in his personal life he should be going on with and is sitting with me right here as I type this. flea and I make mutual decisions on how we spend our time together and have an equal realationship based on 10 years of marriage
flea has mainly been spending his leisure time here, more of which i believe we should be spending together, the message board is important to him but in this atmosphere it is far from pleasure I appreciate his friendship to all of you and understand having being a long term user of Usenet
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-26 03:54 [#00617116]
Points: 378 Status: Addict
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what I see going on here is the board administration closing ranks and it doesnt bother me, I stand by my stance and thats it end of story
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nacmat
on 2003-03-26 03:58 [#00617120]
Points: 31271 Status: Lurker | Followup to Red: #00617116
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had no idea you were his wife... :D
hi flea! are you there? see you soon
(if red allows you... hehehe)
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-26 04:02 [#00617127]
Points: 378 Status: Addict
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Flea says hey Nacmat, Jarwoski :)
Feel free to email him or chat on slsk:)
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2003-03-26 04:03 [#00617128]
Points: 13411 Status: Lurker | Followup to Red: #00617127
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Did Flea ever fix that space bar of his?
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pOgO
from behind your belly button fluff on 2003-03-26 04:03 [#00617129]
Points: 12687 Status: Lurker | Followup to Jarworski: #00617094
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watch it mister or it'll be bed wothout supper for you ! =op
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-26 04:07 [#00617131]
Points: 378 Status: Addict | Followup to princo: #00617128
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No the spacebar is still jamming, on me now.
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Bob Mcbob
on 2003-03-26 04:13 [#00617136]
Points: 9939 Status: Regular
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the reason there are so many threads about similar things is because they all detiorate into some pointless topic...
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-03-26 04:14 [#00617137]
Points: 378 Status: Addict
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Okay everyone ta ta from me.
Flea will be back but he says the mods and webmaster better keep that perm band handy. Because he has no intention to stop talking about what he wants to talk about, and right now that happens to be War, he wont stop talking about it and I can understand his need to to do so.
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blipseed
from Virgin Islands (US) on 2003-03-26 04:31 [#00617161]
Points: 184 Status: Lurker
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I’m not exactly a prolific poster here, so maybe my opinion doesn’t count as much as others, but I’m also not, ehm, involved with anybody on the board, so I can kinda give an outsiders view on this.
I think the xltronic board will always suffer for it’s popularity. It’s a great place to go if you’re looking for a quick answer or reply, but the flip side of that coin is, if nobody replies to you, within a couple of hours you’re back on page 4, with nobody looking at your message. Personally, I think it was unfair to ban somebody for starting war related topics. If nobody on the board is interested in participating in a war related discussion, then they should not reply, and in no time the topic will be way down the list.
Just wait till Draft7.0 comes out. There will be topics appearing every few minutes, all on the same thing. When news of the Bug CD on Rephlex came out, there were loads of topics posted about the Bug, the same thing repeated over and over. Personally I find that more tiresome than a handful of war topics. But then again the answer is easy, don’t read or reply to the topics.
As the board has become such a monster, maybe it should be separated into sub-boards, one for music, one for other general or personal stuff.
Anyway, that’s just the opinion of a part-timer. You guys probably know better….
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nacmat
on 2003-03-26 04:31 [#00617164]
Points: 31271 Status: Lurker | Followup to Red: #00617137
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please tell him this:
flea If you wanna talk about war, great, cos I like talking about that so much... and talking with you is always so interesting, but please, dont make them perm ban you, we can keep the war subject in one or two threads, many people would miss you if you left.
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2003-03-26 04:38 [#00617170]
Points: 8062 Status: Lurker
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I totally agree with blipseed. The war-topic does not trouble me, but the amount of pointless threads. I think a dividing of the board is a good idea.
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Morton
from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-03-26 04:40 [#00617173]
Points: 10000 Status: Addict
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i'm sure this has been said before, i think it's not too much too ask to warn a member before banning him/her..
i seriously think that just banning someone like that only causes more trouble, he/she will come back with an other account and spam here, and others will be angry about the person being banned or question why he/she's banned
don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that i'm against banning it's just the way it's done (sometimes), one moment no-one is being banned, and the other moment several people are banned just like that
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glass_eater
from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2003-03-26 04:41 [#00617175]
Points: 4904 Status: Regular
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HELL BEHAVE !!
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TonePu5her
from lincoln !UK! (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-26 04:43 [#00617178]
Points: 3640 Status: Regular
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Yes divide the board.
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glass_eater
from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2003-03-26 04:45 [#00617180]
Points: 4904 Status: Regular
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divide me !
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nacmat
on 2003-03-26 04:48 [#00617185]
Points: 31271 Status: Lurker
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I dont like divided boards that much... I like this one the most the way it is
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-03-26 04:49 [#00617187]
Points: 24593 Status: Regular
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It's important in these undemocratic times for the messageboard to reflect reality.
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Morton
from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-03-26 04:49 [#00617188]
Points: 10000 Status: Addict | Followup to marlowe: #00617187
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how's your cd?
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Charles D Ward
from ASS, okay? (United States) on 2003-03-27 21:40 [#00620617]
Points: 1072 Status: Addict | Followup to sine707: #00617044
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you only got 1005 points so don't tell me what to do losah :P
But seriously, this statement says it all so well that I start reconsidering my opinion on the Iron Fist... thank you sine707 you should be the webmaster of the month for this outstanding act of publicity. I'm serious.
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