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so whats the attration of vinyl over cds? can you feel it in your hand? is it better sound quality? (err...) or is it some kind of this 'back to childhood' retro bollocks i seem to have an obsession with? i vote no. 3 prolly, err... you reckon ... err.... what? :) |
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ignore tosser hacker wanker above (if possible) TWAT |
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i think some kinda re-write is in order on your mb mr. phobia / sine / jand etc / you know what i mean ... |
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how is he putting post before everything? |
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where the fuck are the mods? :( |
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its always the case - you wait for a bus for ages and nothing comes, then all of a sudden 5 come at once... |
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haha |
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vinyl.......cos it makes a really GREAT frisbee =0) |
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haha the humor never fails here |
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OWCH! cds make better fisbees! :) |
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you know the WHOLE crazy thing about vinyl is ......didn't they like stop making RECORD players ages ago....and if you wanna BUY one today it's gonna cost you your first born. i mean i don't care how RICH the sound is supposed to be, CD's are so much more accessable and easy to play....i have vinyl thats never seen a record player NEEDLE.....prolly never will.....so it's gathering dust. a frisbee is about all it's good for ( i do like the weight of it tho, maybe i can use it for dishes =0)) |
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depends on how it will be used. Of course some people just buy everything on vinyl for the fact that its VINYL, oh God! Though if you have the right equipment it does sound better than cd. Cds can sound sort of flat in the frequency ranges. Thats why many Dj's use them, you get a better frequency response while using the mixer. theres lots of reasons. Since I am neither a DJ or care if my discs are aesthetically pleasing, i use cd's, which are probably more practical for me given the way I listen to music. |
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noooooooooooooooo! :) you can get a decent turntable for £40! :) |
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really........ well well......i keep thinking those phonograph players were EXPENSIVE! maybe i'll buy one for myself ONE day, but i see buying vinyl as a waste O money.......at this point. |
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no! :) you'll LOVE it once you experience that 'vinyl' feeling :) |
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Yeah its psychodelic! You put the little needle down and it plays your album. Then you see Jimi Hendrix jumps out of the pitch controll and gogo dancers carry you into a cloud of purple haze. |
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vinyls are just so ... concrete in this jungle of digital shit. ooh what a great metaphor. just off to my creative writing exam. |
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Vinyl not only have better frequency response, but the digital discretization actually throws away information. They are actually closer to the original sound. That being said, reproduction of sound from dragging a needle across a piece of vinyl is very tricky to do accurately. If you want high quality, you need very nice equipment, and it's hard to keep your records in mint shape. Some people like the warm sound of records... I don't like the hissing, but I buy records of stuff that's vinyl only like Gescom and some other stuff. |
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I own a few AFX vinyl's, but only because they don't come on cd. I also was donated a nice $300 turntable from the early 70's. It sounds quite impressive. If I listen to AB3 on cd and the listen to the same tracks on the AB 3.1 vinyl, the vinyl tracks actually do sounds a very noticable bit better. The frequencies you can here are amazing. When hearing one right after the other it is very obvious there is a difference in quality, but I still prefer cd's. |
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Well, Million has been banned. I'd like to reply on this, but I've gotta go to work. Catch you all later. |
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i love vinyl it feels like something REAL cds feel fake and shit |
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Vinyl! <3 <3 <3!! |
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I do use CDs, especially to sleep to (imagines needle cutting through run out groove after being let run all night) or when you have friends over- it's nice to be able to set a CD to loop if it's just being used as background music. CDs are very portable and are typically cheaper. You can also burn your own CDs cheaply which is another plus point. Vinyl is great for "active listening", the fact you have to get up and turn it over/change disc all the time stops you from doing much else, so the music doesn't just become background noise. I like it for DJing as Cueing is a lot easier (I know new CD players with jog wheels are improving, but I still prefer to do it the old fashioned way). The weight of vinyl is a real pain though :/ |
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vinyl has a bit of soul to it. its also easier to control when DJing. its proper hands on without as many buttons as CD's. |
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Yes, I forgot to mention scratching too! I've never seen a CD equivalent that accurately emulates scratching (I know there's the final scratch, but that is vinyl based IMO). |
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Dont know if you can get in UK, but here in Japan you can buy these crazy cd mixing decks, with a wheel that you turn to jog and scratch and do everything you can do with vinyl. Maybe that is final scratch.. I dont know what they are called, but they are very cool and I want one. |
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ive got to admit tho. if money was no object, then i'd definetely get final scratch. it would save ya a ton of money in the end. you could just blag your friends records for a week, record them all into your laptop, and enjoy them for life! |
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I've heard that there is some noticable lag when scribbling and the records wear out too quickly. I'd still like to use one first before righting it off completely as, like you say, you'd save loads of money, as well as being able to use CD/mp3 only tracks. TokyJo: I've had a go on one CD deck with a jog wheel and it doesn't feel as natural as scratching vinyl for me. Maybe if I spent a bit longer on one I'd get used to it. |
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no, i've seen and used it. its absolutely amazing. fairplay, you might have to change your final scratch vinyl every so often because you are cueing up from the same point, but thats a fair price to pay. as i said, i've used it and it crazy that you can mix your own edits of tracks you have. stunning piece of kit |
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also, cd decks are and have always been...shite. |
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The new pioneer one that plays mp3 cds looks good, but they are so expensive for what they are (the good ones). |
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So what is this final scratch thing and what does it do? Excuse my ignorance. |
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Just looked at finalscratch.com. Wow that is quite impressive... |
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liar! vinyls are recorded from digital sources ==> the original data is discrete ==> no difference between CD and vinyl in that |
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its richie hawtin (aka plastikman) and john aquaviva who developed it. |
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Try playing audiophile copies of old Rolling Stones/Beatles/Hendrix albums on 12" through a top of the range hi-fi compared to the CD... I admit electronic music doesn't sound quite so different though. Still, even if it was mastered from DAT, that's till over twice the sampling rate of CDs. |
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wrong. CD = 44100Hz. Dat=96000? only in rare cases my friend |
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Vinyl sounds like shit! |
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Last time I checked, twice 44100 = 88200, so it is over twice as frequently sampled as CDs (provided 96khz dat is used). Or are you saying it's mainly 48000hz DAt that is usually used? |
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Yeah, but you're a guitar fiend, how can we trust your opinion? :P |
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Bull shit! |
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I don't know, but I'm pretty sure that yes hmm I've got an interesting question WHAT IS THE PHYSICALLY ACHIEVED "SAMPLERATE" OF VINYL? |
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Even if vinyl didn't sound like shit (which it does) then I look at Ceri's and Charles' absurdly nerdy techy conversation and I thank Jesus for CDs :P |
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I thought this had been discussed enough already. Shannon's sampling theorem states that for a signal to be uniquely reconstructed it must be sampled at a rate twice that of the highest frequency in the signal. Since our crappy ears can only hear between 20Hz and 20kHz a sampling rate of 44.1kHz (more than double the highest frequency the human ear can perceive) is more than adequate. I don't buy into the audiophile argument of being able to "feel" the frequencies that are removed from the original recording. The only difference in listening to a vinyl recording is the "warmth" you get from the low-end frequencies being boosted and the surface noise. |
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He he, quite a few of us can hear above 20khz mate :) All depends on how short your ear hairs are... Not to write of your POV, but have you ever listened to an audiophile 12" (of a recording with "real instruments" on it) on a top of the range hi-fi with the CD playing in synch and cutting between the two on the amp? Oh and I write off a lot of audiophile arguments too. You know, the stuff about obscenely expensive cables (okay, paired cabling makes a difference and gold connectors reduce crackle, but do you really need £400 cable? :) ) |
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Vinyl sucks. You know what I do? I hire the musicians and get them to play in my living room. The sound quality is superb and hardly ever jumps. |
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No, I've not tried that experiment. But I'm not discounting differences either. Of course the two recordings will sound different but the signal generated from the record will not have any more audible information than that generated by the CD. I'm pretty sure that in experiments no human being has been able to hear any tones above 20-21kHz. And most people can't even hear that high (typically 18kHz), a threshold which decreases with age I might add. I'd like to agree with whoever it was on the board that said that the format of the music is the last of your worries. If you are a true audiophile you should be worried not only about expensive interconnects (as you mentioned) but also about the acoustic layout of your furniture, fabric of your carpet, whether your ceiling is artexed, whether it's a Tuesday etc, etc. CDs, records.... it all sounds the same to me, but then my ear hairs are five inches long and I live in a cardboard box with a rat named Simon. |
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absolutely right i agree with you fuck vinyl dude :D |
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