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         |  titsworth
             from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-03-19 09:42 [#00603961] Points: 14550 Status: Lurker
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 | anyone else listen to dancehall? easily the most exciting and fun music to become popular in the U.S. in a long while.
 tune in to a dancehall radio show if you get the chance, you
 won't be sorry!
 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2003-03-19 09:47 [#00603968] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker | Followup to titsworth: #00603961
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 | what kind of dancehall? Like 1920s stuff or what? 
 
 
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         |  titsworth
             from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-03-19 09:49 [#00603978] Points: 14550 Status: Lurker | Followup to marlowe: #00603968
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 | it's like a cross between hip-hop and reggae.. basically very sordid reggae singing over programmed beats (sometimes
 they jack instrumentals from hip-hop songs). the most famous
 dancehall artists right now are supercat (a veteran artist
 you might remember for his guest spot in sugar ray's hit
 "fly"; the neptunes are working with him right now for what
 will be a huge american album for him), sean paul ("just
 gimme the light", "make it clap" remix w/ busta), and beenie
 man. the premise isn't TOO dissimilar from dub.
 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2003-03-19 09:50 [#00603980] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker | Followup to titsworth: #00603978
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 | ah - I had in mind people doing the charleston to some crazy uptempo jazz! :D
 
 
 
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2003-03-19 09:51 [#00603983] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator
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 | a bit like early massive attack then? or smight and mighty...
 
 
 
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         |  titsworth
             from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-03-19 09:54 [#00603987] Points: 14550 Status: Lurker | Followup to tolstoyed: #00603983
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 | somewhat... but very thick jamaican accents singing in english but you'd never be able to tell. the songs are
 mostly about sex though (smart lyrics not being important to
 the genre) and the programming is a lot faster than anything
 on blue lines.
 
 
 
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         |  ScenarioDr
             on 2003-03-19 09:59 [#00604001] Points: 720 Status: Addict
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 | the bug, the new release on rephlex is in a ragga/dancehall style!
 
 
 
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2003-03-19 10:00 [#00604002] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator
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 | cool, i'll check that 
 
 
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         |  titsworth
             from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-03-21 20:17 [#00608709] Points: 14550 Status: Lurker
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 | good friday night music! ;) download these for a taste: Sean Paul - Shake That Thang
 Spragga Benz - Watch What You Say
 Elephant Man - Jamaica
 
 
 
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         |  JivverDicker
             from my house on 2003-03-21 20:23 [#00608716] Points: 12102 Status: Regular
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 | Dancehall is a massive influence to me.  From the age of 13 or so  I used to listen to pirate radio stations that played
 dancehall.  The 'Steppas' used to really rock it!    there
 was one time when warp almost signed Iration Steppas.  dub
 style dance hall electro, they should have...
 
 
 
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         |  LeCoeur
             from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-03-21 20:23 [#00608717] Points: 8249 Status: Lurker | Followup to titsworth: #00603987
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 | did you say........SEXXXXXXX 
 maybe it misread that =0)~
 
 
 
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         |  titsworth
             from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-03-21 20:26 [#00608720] Points: 14550 Status: Lurker | Followup to JivverDicker: #00608716
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 | sex sex sex baby ;) but why just talk about it... 
 *ahem*
 
 yea jivver that would've been interesting... do you think it
 was a mistake for warp to sort of pigeonhole themselves into
 a limited range of music early on? the opposite of that is
 so many people are giving warp shit now for getting into
 hip-hop.
 
 personally i'm still getting into dancehall... i've known
 buju banton and beenie man since the mid to late 90s now but
 it wasn't really until that sean paul song ("gimme the
 light") hit big that i realized how cool this music is...
 
 
 
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         |  JivverDicker
             from my house on 2003-03-21 20:37 [#00608734] Points: 12102 Status: Regular
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 | Dancehall has pioneered raw electronics, rap for nearly 30 years.  I really think warp slipped up pigeoning themselves
 into purely an AI/IDM/pseudo hip hop label.
 
 Master of cermonies used to 'rap' over drum machines/breaks
 in a really raw style, emotions that they felt now (then), a
 lot of the 'backpacker' hip hop or whatever it's called now,
 seems to be a bit too contrived to me.
 
 
 
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         |  nene
             from United States on 2003-03-21 20:40 [#00608738] Points: 1475 Status: Lurker
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 | you cant' not move your ass to ragga beats. and the vocals can be insane. crazy atonal melodies sung super fast and
 rhythmically.
 
 
 
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         |  nene
             from United States on 2003-03-21 20:42 [#00608740] Points: 1475 Status: Lurker
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 | I still need to buy some records though. all I've got is some audiofuck sorta stuff like enduser, who's amazing by
 the way.
 
 
 
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         |  titsworth
             from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-03-21 20:43 [#00608743] Points: 14550 Status: Lurker
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 | sure a lot of it's contrived... that goes with the territory of these self-important genre styles (eg: "intelligent"
 dance music... of course with that attitude some of it's
 gonna be pretentious). on the other hand, some of the
 leading "backpackers" actually reject the whole culture...
 like Common when he raps about taking a skateboard out of a
 backpacker's hands and slapping him around with it, or talib
 kweli when he raps "it ain't commercial or underground, it's
 true.." (true school; also see, j-live... now there is a
 consummate and LIKEABLE conscious rapper), or mos def when
 he says in articles he isn't some kind of activist, just a
 lyricist. the whole backpacker thing is mostly the
 underground media's fault...
 
 
 
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         |  titsworth
             from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-03-21 20:46 [#00608747] Points: 14550 Status: Lurker | Followup to nene: #00608740
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 | yea i listened to some enduser a couple weeks ago... shit is crazy!! as far as breakcore or whatever i think he's better
 than vsnares, but vsnares has other qualities that i like.
 
 dancehall is really appealing to me lately cos i'm starting
 to get sick of the monotone that is inherent to rapping...
 it's hard to get around really, no matter how much i like
 the emcee it can sometimes be too much. dancehall is cool
 cos their voices are so melodic and lively, not dead
 sounding.
 
 
 
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         |  nene
             from United States on 2003-03-21 20:51 [#00608753] Points: 1475 Status: Lurker
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 | yeah I love it when people who aren't singers sing anyway and it comes out so lovely and natural, like clouddead or
 lots of ragga/dancehall. amateurish but weirdly beautiful
 and childlike.
 
 
 
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         |  titsworth
             from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-03-21 20:59 [#00608765] Points: 14550 Status: Lurker
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 | word! i have to admit, i like 50 cent's singing cos it has that amateur but earnest sound to it. same w/ pharoahe
 monch... who rawkus need to stop fuckin' around with (he
 turned an album in over a year ago).
 
 
 
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         |  JivverDicker
             from my house on 2003-03-21 21:05 [#00608777] Points: 12102 Status: Regular
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 | Tit's I replied to your messages here a few times but I didn't send them.......I'm trying to relax, have a few
 glasses of wine etc. sorry you know how I am sometimes
 
 50 cent rocks 'cos he feels it, not trying to mesmarize
 people with hard to follow lyrics, just nice club fun hip
 hop
 
 
 
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         |  titsworth
             from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-03-21 21:09 [#00608784] Points: 14550 Status: Lurker
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 | it's funny to see who's into 50 cent.. i saw latoya jackson on larry king live answer "50 cent" to larry's question who
 her favorite singer is right now... and trent reznor (your
 arch nemesis for some reason?!) is into him too.. i'm not
 quite sure what it is about 50 that's so likeable but he's
 definitely great
 
 
 
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