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Geonime from United Kingdom on 2001-10-02 16:43 [#00038389] | |||||||||
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What do you people think about repetition in songs? Is it okay if there is, say, a beat that stays the same throughout, as long as its a good song? Opinions please. |
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recycle from drukqs on 2001-10-02 17:35 [#00038395] | |||||||||
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what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what .........sorry that was 2 easy....... repatition is good |
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aav from Sweden on 2001-10-02 18:28 [#00038403] | |||||||||
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I think that, done right, repetition can really put you into a 'trance' state. Depends on the effect you're after I guess. |
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Geonime from United Kingdom on 2001-10-02 18:41 [#00038404] | |||||||||
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Boards of Canada do it. My new song sounds like them, but not too similar. |
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Taxi on 2001-10-02 18:42 [#00038405] | |||||||||
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I really can't stand an over-repetition in music. Thats personal. Now that I think of it... I can't stand songs that are over 6 minutes long (but that is just recent. I used to love those 20 minute long songs that never changed). Actually it depends on what kind of sounds are used. I find that songs with a really soft feel to them do well with a lot of repetition. Its just when a track has a really fast, sharp feel that get tiring when they are too long. |
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)WmWWww...wMw...wwWWmW( on 2001-10-02 18:46 [#00038408] | |||||||||
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I guess non repetitiveness is a good way to judge accurately whether something sounds good to me. But I also like symmetry in art, and for that you need repetition, by definition. I think complexity is usually a defining characteristic I like, but the definition of that is just something that's hard to understand (due to too many involved parts for example) The best stuff is complex but composed with symmetry, in some logical form. |
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)WmWWww...wMw...wwWWmW( on 2001-10-02 18:49 [#00038411] | |||||||||
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Repetition is stable in nature, things happen in patterns that are repeated... the water->clouds->rain pattern, the orbiting planets, the pattern of locomotion in animals walking, day & night, the same for music. |
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)WmWWww...wMw...wwWWmW( on 2001-10-02 19:20 [#00038418] | |||||||||
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parts of books i forgot the name of: the sphere is the most symmetrical object-no corners, the most capacious. all bodies tend to assume that form. this can be noticed in water droplets. beyond the seeming chaos of stars are quite symmetrical spiral structures of galaxies. there's many kinds of symmetry (not just mirror). definition:any object that can be changed to resemble that same object. "tyger!tyger! burning bright, the the forests of the night. What immortal hand or eye, dare frame thy fearful symmetry?" symmetry is also in phenomena like seasons. life takes on its own rhythms to match the rhythms of the environment. A characteristic of every rhythm is its frequency; cycles per second, day, year, or millenium. the breeding and migration of birds and the growth cycle of trees occur in synchrony with the cycle of the repeating seasons. rhythm= regular repetition *hiccup* in time. cycle=chain of events that occur in a set order (not necessarily evenly spaced in time). rhythms occur within rhythms. extreme specialization does not lend itself to analog thinking. the great scientists maintain broad interests in many fields.frequency=waves persecond. sound; infrasonic, sonic, ultrasonic, light, radio, infared, visible, ultraviolet, x ray, gamma ray. radio is the longest in wavelengths, gamma is shortest. sound is compressional waves when you strike a drum it travels in all directions as spheres having a common center of the drum. refraction= when waves leave one medium and enter another their direction of travel is deflected. if you swing a pendulum with a pencil on the end and move paper underneath it at a constant speed, you convert time into distance so it's easier to study. when 2 waves don't precisly coincide in time, they're said to be "out of phase". A man sinks into a bog with only his hair unsubmerged. He can't pull himself out by his own hair because it acts on his hand with a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction. *hiccup* A perception is illusionary when it violates logical requirements for what can be fact. Have you witnessed the selfish behavior of penguins standing at the waters edge, scared to go in because a seal might be under the water, so they push eachother in as guini pigs? All highs are techniques of focusing awareness, of shaking us out of habitual modes of perception and getting us to concentrate on something, whether a sound, sight, or unusual sensation. In normal states of mind our conscious energies are scattered. our attention wanders aimlessly. the caterpillar crawls by shortening and lengthening the abdominal segments in a wavelike fashion, beginning with the last segment, compressing and pushing forward using it's muscles. *yawn* |
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Neo-Hippeh on 2001-10-02 19:46 [#00038428] | |||||||||
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honestly,repetition is in just about every song there is in some shape or form...without repetition there is no foundation |
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rrrrrrrrrrr rhr eh reh e rhe rehr sdfasdfasdf asd from drukqs on 2001-10-02 21:48 [#00038464] | |||||||||
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did my long name work? |
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Neo-Hippeh on 2001-10-02 22:01 [#00038470] | |||||||||
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i think so |
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Stutter Butter on 2001-10-02 23:12 [#00038486] | |||||||||
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I expect "IDM" to be non-repetative ..ever since I heard the Otto Von Schirach album. To me, that album sounds like he is VERY focused on being non-repetative, and use as many samples as possible. Like, "if you use the same snare-drum-sample for more than 2 secs, then it's waaaay too repetative".. |
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wayout from a plastic bubble on 2001-10-03 00:28 [#00038494] | |||||||||
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i think a mix between repetition and non repetition is good...like maybe having a repetitious element in a song mixed with a non- repetitious element..squarepusher does this a lot. or maybe progressive repetition, where the song is built on loops that evolve over time...like autechre or some of underworld's stuff or there are some songs that are built up of several repetitious segments...this seems to be how most pop oriented music is composed...a good example would be flim, theres like 3 major segments of that song, but the 3 segments are basically loops. like neo hippeh said...all music needs at least some repetition...or else it would just be noise. (not that theres anything wrong with noise) i think its kinda weird that some really repetitious songs work better than others, like sometimes it can make music really boring but other times it doesnt... for example, saw2 and plastikman's music are both almost completely based on repetition...but they never really become boring or grating.. someone mentioned boards of canada...theyre a good example of how it works sometimes and others it doesnt.. songs like a beautiful place out in the country and turqoise hexagon sun are both really repetitive but (for me) they never really become boring, while songs like amo bishop rodin just lose my attention and even become a bit grating. i also have the same problem with ae's chiastic slide, and some of the tracks on tri rep, they just loop on for what seems like forever and lose my attention....kinda like what this post is doing... |
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Geonime from United Kingdom on 2001-10-03 00:39 [#00038496] | |||||||||
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boards of canada create an amazing atmosphere, the song is so ace you don't want it to end... it puts you in a trance. I love their music. |
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plastic raver on 2001-10-03 01:06 [#00038504] | |||||||||
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It all depends what's repeating. BOC get a mood going with spurts of one time things....with repitition, non brash elements come to the forefront so get pissed and listen to it on repeat, that'll help your objectivity... |
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Kirby from Japan, Japan, Dick, Dick, Dick on 2001-10-03 01:13 [#00038507] | |||||||||
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Geonime, you're a dick, your music is shit, you ask for everyone's opinion but when someone provides you with the truth you talk about fingerpainting or claim they sent child porn to you, you are a dick. A dick, a dick, a dick, a dick, a dick. Justin Shizz, that was great, really. |
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Geonime from United Kingdom on 2001-10-03 01:20 [#00038510] | |||||||||
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Here comes tha trolls! Fuck off kirby, my music is OK in my opinion but reflex is entitled to his fuckin opinion. Go sit back and chill out, watch a movie, listen to some nice music, have sex, smoke weed. Flaming is for idiots. |
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Kirby from Japan, Japan, Dick, Dick, Dick on 2001-10-03 01:24 [#00038514] | |||||||||
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C'mon Geonime, everyone's calling your music shit, everyone's calling you shit, don't you think you should bring in your little friend "Justin Shizz" now? I mean, he's your #1 fan and all, he looooooooooves, he really loves you. Go on, bring him out, all it takes is a change of name and you've got your only fan. Ha. |
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Geonime from United Kingdom on 2001-10-03 01:24 [#00038515] | |||||||||
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It's not coming out of my mouth. It's just me pressing some keys, transmitting some text to people across the world. |
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Geonime from United Kingdom on 2001-10-03 01:28 [#00038517] | |||||||||
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Justin Shizz was real, I swear to god. My music? Shit? The only negative feedback I've received is from reflex and... you. People say they like my stuff, yeah they're not gonna put it on CD and take it around with them, but they're judging it. I'm going to listen to the vast majority who say it's good, not a couple of people critisising it who may just be the same person. Now, instead of saying shit all the time, why not do a normal healthy thing and critisize me properly, why is it shit? Come on! |
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plastic raver on 2001-10-03 01:29 [#00038518] | |||||||||
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Where can I hear your music Geonime? |
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plastic raver on 2001-10-03 01:33 [#00038521] | |||||||||
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~8) |
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lREFLEXl on 2001-10-03 01:35 [#00038523] | |||||||||
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only kidding, your music is okay. |
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Geonime from United Kingdom on 2001-10-03 01:35 [#00038524] | |||||||||
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Stop cloning, Reflex. |
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lREFLEXl on 2001-10-03 01:39 [#00038527] | |||||||||
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how do you do it?? |
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Geonime from United Kingdom on 2001-10-03 01:40 [#00038528] | |||||||||
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Bollocks to this. I can't be arsed. I'll wait until V5... it's gonna be introduced quite soon so obviously the troll(s) are going to make the most of the time they have left. Come on PZ, get your ass in gear and bring us V5 NOW. |
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Geonime from United Kingdom on 2001-10-03 01:41 [#00038529] | |||||||||
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the little button to the left of Z. Hold shift then press it, ||||||||||||| |
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Kirby from Japan, Japan, Dick, Dick, Dick on 2001-10-03 01:42 [#00038530] | |||||||||
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Healthy criticism, you want to know why it's shit? Well, it's nothing, it's bland, it's nothing I haven't heard before, it's unoriginal, that's it, it seems like you've only spent 20 minutes on it so I wonder how much "constructive criticism" I can put into it. It's just that you're a dick and you made up a fan, why? Justin Shizz, there was no need for you to do that, and you also claimed Reflex sent you child porn but then someone said something about you better log off now you started all apologising like a bitch. It was funny, but not as funny as someone making up a "fan" thats says "you're the best." |
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|REFLEX| from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada on 2001-10-03 01:42 [#00038532] | |||||||||
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This is how to fucking clone. Learn from the professional, kid. |
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Geonime from United Kingdom on 2001-10-03 01:52 [#00038535] | |||||||||
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There, that wasn't so hard. Now I've listened to your comments and can learn from them. Yeah it is bland and unoriginal but I wanted some feedback on how I was going... I did take the whole thing a bit far but the internet is just fun and I don't think reflex should really care if some lamer is calling him a pervert. The Justin Shizz thing, we exchanged some e-mails: From : "Justin Schiz" To : geonime@hotmail.com Subject : Geo, hook me up with Memory and Blueprint Date : Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:17:32 -0400 Geo, hook me up with Memory and Blueprint i live in the US, is that a problem? reply, so i can give u my address thanks - your fan Justin :) --- From : "Justin Schiz" To : geonime@hotmail.com Subject : Please Date : Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:28:05 -0400 PLEASE PLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEE PLEASE!!! PLEASE -your fan Justin From: "geonime " To: somewhatdestroyed@hotmail.com Subject: Re: no joke Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:28:59 +0100 Trust me, you don't want the CDs. And I didn't get banned. From: "Justin Schiz" To: geonime@hotmail.com Subject: no joke Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:01:13 -0400 i want the cds no joke man how did u get banned, by the way? ---- From : "Justin Schiz" To : geonime@hotmail.com Subject : Re: Please Date : Sat, 01 Sep 2001 23:36:13 -0400 if u dont want fans, fine. i'm out. From: "geonime " To: somewhatdestroyed@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Please Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:09:04 +0100 fuck off now, you are not my fan, nobody is my fan, i don't WANT fans, stop stalking me, fuck off, i know you don't really like my music, you're just trying to annoy me, you probably know r3fl3x, fuck off now. ------------ That;s really messed up, but you get the idea. This git kept harrassing me, asking for a CD so I told him to fuck off. Try e-mailing him, he is very real. |
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|REFLEX| on 2001-10-03 01:52 [#00038536] | |||||||||
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Stop the fucking cloning you ass-holes! You're messing with my life! this message board is my life you fuckers! |
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Kirby from Japan, Japan, Dick, Dick, Dick on 2001-10-03 01:52 [#00038537] | |||||||||
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Plastic Raver is cloning you, Reflex. |
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Kirby from Japan, Japan, Dick, Dick, Dick on 2001-10-03 01:55 [#00038538] | |||||||||
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Oh Geonime, that email really through us off but it's the same IP that made us think you and Justin Shizz are the same person, unless of course Justin Shizz is your dad, and your dad thinks you're "the best." |
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plastic raver on 2001-10-03 01:55 [#00038539] | |||||||||
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Oh dear, that's wierd Geonime....you're a freak. Goodnight you bizzare horse! |
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plastic raver on 2001-10-03 01:57 [#00038540] | |||||||||
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Yeah, I was cloning! I'm interested in that sort of thing. |
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Geonime from United Kingdom on 2001-10-03 01:57 [#00038541] | |||||||||
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Same IP? That's impossible. You can't even fucking see IP addresses on here. It's impossible cos I'm not him. |
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Neo-Hippeh on 2001-10-03 02:06 [#00038543] | |||||||||
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everyone needs to back the fuck off geo...first off geo,i dunno if you read this before,but dont let them discourage you...i think youre music is ace...not professional,but that can be worked upon,after all,you just started...i doubt half the people here could come up with anything as well as you. |
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plastic raver on 2001-10-03 02:09 [#00038544] | |||||||||
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Neo-Hippeh is Geonime! Hmmmmm |
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Neo-Hippeh on 2001-10-03 02:12 [#00038546] | |||||||||
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i am? really? then that also mean,since i am chilled,reflex likes cocaine,therefore he likes geonimes music... |
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Neo-Hippeh on 2001-10-03 02:13 [#00038547] | |||||||||
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just backed your stupid ass into a corner,bitch! |
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caroll on 2001-10-03 02:19 [#00038551] | |||||||||
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yeah, into a corner, wow, oh no. |
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Neo-Hippeh on 2001-10-03 02:20 [#00038553] | |||||||||
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yes!! and ive got my bad face and sharpened claws!!!! i shall force you to eat dog food made by dogs...which truely should be dog food... "YOU EAT LIKE THIS!!!!" |
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Geonime from United Kingdom on 2001-10-03 02:21 [#00038555] | |||||||||
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Cheers Neo. The trolls have been piling onto me like flies onto a turd. |
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Neo-Hippeh on 2001-10-03 02:22 [#00038556] | |||||||||
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very welc9ome you are...mang,its boring right now...nuffin to do cept answer all...posts....possible... |
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plastic raver on 2001-10-03 02:22 [#00038557] | |||||||||
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Your native tongue isn't english is it Neo-Hippeh |
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plastic raver on 2001-10-03 02:23 [#00038558] | |||||||||
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Where can I hear your music Geonime? |
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Butch on 2001-10-03 02:28 [#00038565] | |||||||||
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from his site, dickeyes. |
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plastic raver on 2001-10-03 02:29 [#00038568] | |||||||||
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where is his site? knobroy. |
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Geonime from United Kingdom on 2001-10-03 02:30 [#00038569] | |||||||||
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It's my older stuff. I've completed about 10 new songs since then, some of which I'm gonna make into album sometime. The new songs are better, I'll upload them soon. |
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Neo-Hippeh on 2001-10-03 02:32 [#00038572] | |||||||||
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my native tongue is red,and has bumps on it. |
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