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theo himself
from +- on 2003-03-10 22:17 [#00589696]
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I'm not looking for top-of-the-line technology here.. just something that doesnt sound quite as dated as the !1988! Yamaha I've been forced to settle with (you could imagine what this sounds like.. not only is reverb and/or a phaser/flanger of some sort NECESSARY with each track.. there's a loud humming noise that is emitted whenever the thing is on.. as you could imagine.. it's a dream to work with) I want something good.. something with a bank of sampled instruments, effects?, sampling capabilities, midi.. etc all that is now standard.. it has to be pretty good and not any more than a few hundred dollars (I only have a few left from my tax return check to spend) .. let me know where to look (which companies, websites) and which models are good.. all the music makers.. let me know what hardware u use.. and what for.. and finally how much it cost you.
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Clic
on 2003-03-10 22:39 [#00589742]
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vintagesynth.com
harmony-central.com
At Harmony Central, try looking through the classifieds for used gear. You can find good things sometimes.
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2003-03-11 06:22 [#00590125]
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what Yamaha model do you have, theo?
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2003-03-11 06:47 [#00590137]
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maybe you can get a yamaha CS1x for a few hundred dollars now. It's not very good compared to other gear but it's cheap. I still use mine as a controller. And if you want sampling, you can always get a seperate thing for that, but I personally would recommend using the computer for that
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hevquip
from megagram dusk sect (United States) on 2003-03-11 16:09 [#00590702]
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i have a yamaha sy22. it's good. so was the roland d10 i had. they're both cheap.
check out sonicstate.com. they have good classifieds. and as usual, ebay.
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theo himself
from +- on 2003-03-11 16:24 [#00590717]
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what are contollers.. or midi controllers
hahah exxailon I have a Yamaha PSR-32
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-03-11 16:26 [#00590719]
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i don't have any keyboards but i am considering buying a controller.
anyone have any info on midi controllers? i.e. good ones? work with which programs? tasty?
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2003-03-11 16:28 [#00590721]
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I have a PSR-510...it's old...but works fine for MIDI purposes and practicing finger technique.
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theo himself
from +- on 2003-03-11 16:42 [#00590748]
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how do you use that for midi?
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hevquip
from megagram dusk sect (United States) on 2003-03-11 16:45 [#00590755]
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midi controller is a keyboard, or sometimes something with alot of knobs and sliders. basically it only sends midi messages, it doesn't make any sound of it's on. you select what midi channel you want and play with parameters.
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hevquip
from megagram dusk sect (United States) on 2003-03-11 16:45 [#00590759]
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but you can also use most keyboards as a midi controller, at least for programming stuff into a sequencer.
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theo himself
from +- on 2003-03-11 16:47 [#00590763]
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I dont think I get what midi is..
it's when you use the computer to control the keyboard right?
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2003-03-11 16:48 [#00590766]
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You simply hook your keyboard to the PC: MIDI cable --> on the one side you plug it into the joystick port on your sound card and on the other side you plug the MIDI IN plug into the keyboard MIDI OUT port and the MIDI OUT plug into the keyboard MIDI IN port.
That's your basic MIDI setup. You can create MIDI files with a MIDI sequencer (Logic, Cakewalk and Cubase are the most advanced, but check www.download.com for more) or you can use the keyboard to input notes in for example FruityLoops.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2003-03-11 16:50 [#00590768]
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digital signals, that are used to create notes.
they could be either the keyboard making the computer make a sound, or the computer making the keyboard make a sound.
they are like a language which allows midi-compatible devices to communicate.
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hevquip
from megagram dusk sect (United States) on 2003-03-11 17:01 [#00590794]
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MIDI = Musical Instrument Digital Interface
"MIDI information tells a synthesizer, in its most basic mode, when to start and stop playing a specific note. Other information shared includes the volume and modulation of the note, if any. MIDI information can also be more hardware specific. It can tell a synthesizer to change sounds, master volume, modulation devices, and even how to receive information. In more advanced uses, MIDI information can to indicate the starting and stopping points of a song or the metric position within a song. More recent applications include using the interface between computers and synthesizers to edit and store sound information for the synthesizer on the computer."
"The basis for MIDI communication is the byte. Through a combination of bytes a vast amount of information can be transferred. Each MIDI command has a specific byte sequence. The first byte is the status byte, which tells the MIDI device what function to perform. Encoded in the status byte is the MIDI channel. MIDI operates on 16 different channels, numbered 0 through 15. MIDI units will accept or ignore a status byte depending on what channel the machine is set to receive. Only the status byte has the MIDI channel number encoded. All other bytes are assumed to be on the channel indicated by the status byte until another status byte is received."
"Some of these functions indicated in the status byte are Note On, Note Off, System Exclusive (SysEx), Patch Change, and so on. Depending on the status byte, a number of different byte patterns will follow. The Note On status byte tells the MIDI device to begin sounding a note. Two additional bytes are required, a pitch byte, which tells the MIDI device which note to play, and a velocity byte, which tells the device how loud to play the note. Even though not all MIDI devices recognize the velocity byte, it is still required to complete the Note On transmission."
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hevquip
from megagram dusk sect (United States) on 2003-03-11 17:05 [#00590797]
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"The idea is that there are 16 channels in General MIDI, and that's also the case in most sound cards and synthesizers.
Different instruments can be assigned to different channels at the same time. So theoretically you can have a maximum of 16 instruments playing at the same time. The actual number can vary, because the sound card or synthesizer can only produce a fixed maximum number of notes at the same time. (eg: 32-voice polyphony means that you can only press 32 keys at the same time and hear them. The 33rd key you pressed will either be ignored, or the first key you pressed will be cut off) You can also use more than 16 instruments if you can "steal" a track (eg: Your harp only comes in at the introduction, so you can use the same track for another instrument that only appears later in the song on the same channel). All 16 channels are transmitted in one MIDI cable."
"You can use as many tracks that the sequencer program allows you to. (Usually more than a hundred) A track contains the events (i.e. the things you did; eg: what key you pressed at when & for how long) you want to put inside. For example, you may want to do a very complicated Grand Piano part. You can record the right hand part in track 1, and then record the left hand part in track 2. If you make a mistake while recording the left hand part, you don't have to worry about the right hand's - it's stored seperately in track 1. Then you can assign both tracks to channel 0 (Grand Piano in General MIDI - mentioned above). The end result will sound exactly like you played both hands at the same time! (*Note: percussion instruments are stored as a single "Instrument". Different keys correspond to different drums)"
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theo himself
from +- on 2003-03-11 17:47 [#00590867]
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oh.
I dont think my keyboard even has a midi in/output
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-03-11 18:11 [#00590884]
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well.. im using a midi controller jacked into a roland mv-30 sequencer.. which is 12 yrs old now.. however its got in-depth filters and you can layer up to 8 timbres at once, so once you get to know the thing its quite a decent synth
my mate and i have 3 of them between us that weve managed to pick up in perth.. snap it up if you see one. its also a damn fine sequencer and was the first to fully implement real-time-phrasing
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-03-11 18:12 [#00590886]
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i shouldve read the rest of your posts. midi is a bitch to get your head around.. but once you do theres no turning back :)
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