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I've known for a long time that as far as popular music is concerned (and for that matter underground and trail-blazing music) europe esp. the UK is like 30 times cooler than anything american.. there's no contesting that.. but what is the popular music climate like out there? what kind of scenes are prevalent in the popular music industry.. and what kind of scenes are popular w/ "the kids" .. without seeing much chart presence (sort of like hip-hop was/is in the US).. I'm trying to figure out if like DnB is the UK equivalent to hip-hop over here.. even though there is a building hip-hop scene in the UK (floetry, ms. dynamite etc).. anyway, let me know what's going on over there |
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UK is 1029 times cooler than US. Well, pretty much anything is 1029 times cooler than US. |
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"trail-blazing experimental music" |
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It's ugly in the charts, that's all I can say. |
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UK hiphop sucks theo,always has too. Stick to the US underground hiphop would be the advice here. Don't know if the UK is THAT much cooler really, if I look in my music collection i see it's a 50/50 deal. Alot of great music has come from the USA, it's just that it gets slagged off in here once it gets more than 100 fans. |
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If we're talking about the stuff that's making it in the charts, it tends to be pretty anodine girl or boy bands, often manufactured by TV shows. Also, there's an increasing RnB and hip-hop influence. Thinking about it, a lot of what's in the charts here is American RnB/hip-hop acts. If you're pretty enough to be on the cover of a magazine bought by 12 year-olds you'll probably do well in the charts here. |
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i'm just glad i dont live in the middle of europe. some of their pop music is absolutely disgusting. i think us and uk pop culture is getting very similar, as there are more people in the uk buying up all this r'n'b piss. i dont think bands like oasis and stuff are as big in the usa as they are over here |
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i can think of other words other than *cooler* to describe the popular music industry here... can't remember the last decent song in the charts, may have been that Tori Amos song, did that chart here? |
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right, unless you'd think the cheeky girls are cool of course |
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no I'm not saying the uk hiphop was any good.. or could come close to fucking w/ that of nyc.. I was just trying to equate the underground hiphop scence in the US to the dnb scene in the UK.. despite the growing presence of hiphop over there x-tomatic I noticed ur post about 4th disciple.. he's probably my 2nd favorite producer.. there's no way he'll ever get his due credit/respect but he definately deserves it (nasty immigrants/soldiers of darknes!?!?) believe me anything is cooler/better than avril levine, good charlotte all the poppy punk bullshit, b2k etc |
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"believe me anything is cooler/better than avril levine, good charlotte all the poppy punk bullshit, b2k etc " this is a perrfect chance to prromote Yorrkshirre Folk Ensembles - Yorkshirre Folk Song's (now with flute orrchestrra) |
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I'm with you Theo, 4th disciple is just way ahead of the game, which is prolly why he ain't getting credit where credit is due. I must say there hasn't been a single track of 4th that has lost it's original power to me, from sunz of man's five arch angels/ soldiers of darkness right down to killarmy's ultraviolent "the hit". |
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donovan beats dylan hands down. does that have any relevance? |
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Ha ha ha! Donovan was soooo poor compared to Dylan. I can't believe how anyone could think that. I mean, taste counts for a lot, but that's a bit like saying Wolfenstein is better than Q3 IMO... |
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I'm unashamed in saying that I do enjoy some chart music. There's times when listening to my usual music just becomes a bit too heavy and I want to tune out with something ridiculously poptastic like tATu, Britney, Christina or whatever. |
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HEY! UK hip-hop is amazing! Trust me, if you look hard enough, people like jest and loads others are giving the guys over the atlantic a run for thier money. |
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true danbrusca .. believe me my mp3 collection requires a lot of explaining (and chagrin) "the hit" - I know what you're talking about , although w/ that track in particular I felt killarmy was almost too sloppy with it and it almost ruined it for me.. really nice production from 4th though. I think one satellite release in the wu-tang cadre that really stands out as being like no other (even w/in wu-tang and underground hiphop) is the largely 4th disciple-produced Heavy Mental by killah priest .. his production transcended the wu-style he was rooted in and completely blew my mind w/ that one ("atoms to adam" "crusaids" etc) ... also true master is someone I formerly underrated out of a disappointing limited rza presence he filled quite nicely.. it's like all the wu-tang producers all based their styles on the same philosophy, yet they each displayed an untouchable uniqueness that makes most of the production that passes as quality these days look like childs play to understate. |
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theo, what may seem sloppy, is actually a deliberate type of flow by killarmy. Maybe it only strikes me as brilliant tho. I gotta say that their style and lyrics are like the only ones that penetrate deep into my subconsciousness. I'm certain it has to do with their style and content, but anyway we're strolling way o/t here :p. Glad to hear that there's more ppl who respect that 4th disciple shit tho. |
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I know what u mean .. concerning the rawness of their rhyme style.. what I like about 4th is that each project has it's own feel.. dirty weaponry, heavy mental and silent weapons for quiet wars are by no means cut from the same cloth actually.. they all do maintain a similar feel.. it's the type of sound that's different.. clean/sharp vs. dirty/broken |
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wolfenstein IS better than q3, but dylans voice is the worse than ainsley from pop tossers and donovans songwriting is FAR superior :) |
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as a way of bridging the gap between the conversation I'm having exclusively w/ x-tomatic and the initial reason for creating this thread.. I will say that I forgot that some of the most interesting underground hip-hop has come from europe in recent years. that is mainly because it draws on a very creative artistic force in the hiphop world.. that being the wu-tang of 93-97 (<-- the year the 'forever' tour brought rza/wu-tang to the world's attention and lead to collab. with bjork and bono) anyway.. I liked I'Am a lot and a few others.. all of whihc are to appear on "W.A.R.: The World According to RZA" has anyone heard about this? each track will feature talent from different european, asian countries and some from america.. should be very interesting |
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hey.. "atlantis" is a great , albeit repetitive song (esp. when it served as the backing score to a brutal beating-to-death in goodfellas) |
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dnb is starting to become mainstream in the uk in a watered down shyfx/t power sort of way. pop charts suck more than i can describe. idm scene is buzzing! |
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how mainstream or close to it is idm (in the uK)? is it played on the radio? i dont think much people really know about idm in the US unless they stray from the mainstream lines |
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On the plus side, it means that "real" dnb seems to be getting more popular... |
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how do u kids feel about that ali g |
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he's pretty funny to me i dont think its that funny to the brits tho |
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oh, and i even bought that ali g in da house soundtrack-some ok tunes on that one |
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