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im watching Nelly and justin timberlake...one more stupid video... and i think i understood something. i think all that rap "i call it shit" industry, is based on a classic usa problem : the lack of intelligent laws. i mean you cant drink until youre 21, its very critisized if you have sex unde that stupid 21 majority, or i guess so. with that background, i kinda and i said KINDA understand why its so popular in the states : "look at me, i have money from nowhere, i can fuck bitches coz im almost 21, and look, look i have absolute vodka waaaaaaa ! and the violence goes with it too of course, coz nobody is violent in the usa (says CNN) so it must be exciting to act like a nerd there... but the movement is meaningless and very annoying when you live in europe, coz its only pure imitation of the US style. and that makes it so stupid.. what do you think 'bout it btw when i talk about rap, you can say im bored to death :) and waiting for my weed to come yo yo yo yo im a green smoker so put on the accelerator... :/ |
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Drugs are bad, boo ! |
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yeah here its not that bad.. in france yes :D depuis que je fume plus d'shit, je fais des hits AHAHAH perfect exemple of what will never sell records in switzerland ;P |
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ah come on a nice cup of pot tea wont do much harm would it |
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thats another good point, i think Nelly must be quite proud when he smokes bad quality weed... swiss people will never be proud coz its like picking up flowers really :) |
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nelly + justin = pop ,....not even rap. they suck dog-ballz. Do you consider rap and hip hop the same? I hope not,.there are intelligent mc's out there that you'll prolly never hear,.when checking out MTV. I live in Holland,.come over here and we'll have a party |
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yeah i hate it when people say all rap and hiphop is bad, there are some great songs out there but the vast vast majority are shite so they are very hard to find..... |
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yea.. though nelly (as evidenced by the presence of j. timberlake in the song and video) isn't truly a real rapper though.. he's more like a pop star dressed as a rapper.. he's hip-pop |
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like ja-rule.. but I do see what you're saying |
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what's there to analyze? it's all shit, glass_eater. you were right all along. this message brought to you by travis' campaign to tell people what they want to hear. |
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I can honestly say that the majority of the "rap" scene is complete crap. Since it's true stages in the late 80's, the driver of the "rap bus" bailed out long ago and left all of the passengers unsupervised while it has picked up speed and gone out of control.....but every road has an end.....Hopefully this one will end at a 50 ft thick wall of steel.....the funny thing is, if you look at the back of the bus, you'll see all of the clueless rap fans(mostly rich white boys) dangling off of strings attached to the bumber kinda like the whole tin can just got married thing. As for Justin Timberlake...OH GOD KILL THIS WHITE BOY!!!! for the record, I am white too....but clearly a different shade of intellect. This boy(timberlake) comes complete with a set of tits and the fakest of fake street accents. Yeah, I guess growing up on the streets of the MICKEY MOUSE CLUB must have been really hard...skrait up G.....whatever. The only thing worse than the singers or false prophet rappers...are the FANS!!!! The only thing worse than a shitbag, is one who follows the shitbag. I'm outta here. peace to all my hommies down from day one!! haha Oh yeah, if you're in seek of good rap, turn of your TV. Tribe Called Quest, Saul Williams, Herbaliser, or even some well known trip-hoppists like Tricky....the list can go on and on and deeper, much deeper. I will end this with a very TRUE quote from the comedian, Lewis Black. "MTV is to music, what KFC is to chicken" now I live in the states, dunno if you have heard of KFC(Kentucky Fried Chicken)...it's just a chain of fast food restaurants who specialize in the mass manipulation of chicken to make their chicken perfect for the consumers... I'm ranting.....bye for now. |
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hheheh.. you're right on with that lewis black quote, i couldn't agree more. there IS good hip-hop music to listen to, just turn off your tv. i must admit that right now i think hip-hop's going through a 2nd golden age. i feel really lucky to be alive during the prime years of the roots, black star, dead prez, j-live, common, pharoahe monch, blackalicious, etc. also, you're dead on with that summary of timberlake's street cred! lol, when he starts talking with a "thug" accent and collaborates with hip-hop emcees and producers how can everyone just forget he was on the mickey mouse club and has been in a cookie cutter teen pop band since the mid 90s? |
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"how can everyone just forget he was on the mickey mouse club and has been in a cookie cutter teen pop band since the mid 90s?" Because it doesn't matter. Who cares what he has done in the past? He has this cd out now, listen to it and decide if you like it or not based on the music. Honestly... who cares if he used to sing in a boyband. Some of our other musical heroes might have been butchers, mailmen, officecleaners and whatnot. Are those professions more 'credible'? Credible enough for us to like them? He probably made alot of money during his boyband-years and had an awesome time... what's wrong with that? It's so unfair to judge a musician by anything else than his music. |
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it does matter somewhat. this isn't a friendship, you can't see music appreciation in the same terms; artists SHOULD be measured against their past, that's partly what makes the music so enjoyable and enriching. i refer back to the previous timberlake thread; i like his solo tunes (see my comments there) i just think it's funny how we're supposed to take his new style seriously since it's obviously just another gimmick. |
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justin is a clone of michael jacksn right ? methinks hes the final stage in jacksons mind *prepares chirurgical tools* |
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what previous timberlake-thread? There have been a few ;-) I was actually surprised to see you making fun of justin timberlake, since you're always trying to tell us to be openminded. But anyway, my point is: i tend to listen to music with my ears, and as ehr... "not-prejudiced" (there probably exists a better word) as possible. I would say in friendship it's more important to know something about your friend's background... but with music?! It's totally irrelevant. I know you said you like his solo-stuff.... but there are probably millions of people out there who'd also like it if this was his debut-cd... but now they dislike it because of his past. " just think it's funny how we're supposed to take his new style seriously since it's obviously just another gimmick." Well who says we are supposed to take it seriously :-) Maybe he's just having a bit of fun with this new image of his. That's what it looks like to me... but either way, i don't care about his accent, clothing or the type of people he hangs around with. Just the music. |
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SURROUNDED....I have listened to it. I work in a music store and am force fed so much crap all day. I agree that people do change and I am always willing to give that chance, as I am an open minded person. Although, when an image is completely altered overnight, one can only correctly assume that another gimmic has just been applied for the sake of a buck. Are you seriously telling me that you really dig that new piece of corporate bait? If you do dig it, then may I suggest some other stuff like Nickelodeon's Mickey Mouse Club, New Kids on the Block, George Bush, or even a rope to hang yourself with? You had some good points but, in my opinion, ruined all credibility using Justin Timberlake's overnight MTV makeover. |
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"but either way, i don't care about his accent, clothing or the type of people he hangs around with. Just the music." and the music will set you free.....or put you in a hole...listen at your own risk. Oh yeah....to save you the humiliation, you should remove the "kick me" sign that someone put on you back. I'm sure someone was "just trying to have a bit of fun" |
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no critique on MTV is more to the point than Lewis Black's quote |
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ok i dont know much more rappers name... it all seems fake to me i could have say missy eliot, snoop dog too, almost all rappers image is crappy, i cant really respect people acting like dumbass all the time, that kinda bugs me |
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again: i refer back to the previous thread... well, i don't like repeating myself.. i'm only commenting here on a good point pekerhed brought up about him being on the mickey mouse club and NOW talking like he's from brooklyn or something. |
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that video hurt my eyes. its all to do with this bullshit mtv generation 3 second conditioning, i loathe it. |
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especially when he's not from Brooklyn. but I guess that's all fun, huh? |
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again - i just do not care about an artists image. I don't watch MTV alot anyway... if i hadn't read it on this messageboard, i wouldn't even have known the guy used to be in another band. I have noticed that some of the songs that i think sound pretty good, seem to ruin my credibility on here ;-) But what can i do about it? :-p I just saw that "like i love you" song a couple of times, and i liked it. It reminded me of old michael jackson-stuff, when he still knew how to write a good song. I'm not going to pretend i don't like it just because i discovered he used to sing in a band i don't like (because i don't like 'n sync's music much). But if you insist to talk about image... do you really think the image he had in 'n sync was really him? The justin you saw there was most likely just his manager speaking. Maybe now that he's gone solo he can show his true face... or maybe not... i don't know and i don't care :-p |
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glass_eater: you're right, all rappers are dumb and crappy. this message also brought to you by travis' campaign to tell people what they want to hear. |
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I guess one of the problems with the commercial rappers is that sure, they might have actually lived the street lifestyle at one point...gang-bangin and slingin' crack, while big pimpin' at the same time. But when they achieve millions of "bling bling" and still rap about how they're still doing the same thing.....they tend to lose their street credibility. While they're shacked up in their hollywood mansions and try to convince me that they're still true to the streets and still partake in that lifestyle...that's just a load of crap that any mindless brat would buy into. It's rediculous and is an insult. ASnyone willing to buy into an insult directed at themselves is an ass. |
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hm... well i can't really be bothered to look up your opinion... "about him being on the mickey mouse club and NOW talking like he's from brooklyn or something." ...also because i haven't seen or read any recent interviews with the guy, so i don't really know how he's been acting lately :-) (which is actually also kind of the point i'm trying to make :-p). |
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You're right, image is little in itself....but when the music is the image, it cannot be ignored. If you honestly think that what you've heard from this heep of plastic is genuine and well written, then enjoy. Before I criticize something like this, I always shield out the image, because you are right, the music is more important. So I can honestly say that I have heard the music. But when I reach into the inards of it, I cannot feel anything due to its hollowness. It's like a hollow chocolate easter bunny...dig? or shall I say, a hollow white chocolate easter bunny. |
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hey travis i will vote for you ! just wanted to add some rappers are shooting each other in the streets shit like that, like they are some mafia...like the gay movements, soon, rappers (hey i talk in a global way, i can dig som rappin from time to time tho) will be asking for all shops and restaurants to have a label : yes we accept mafia-mtv-alike rappers please come in and shit on the carpet that was a message from basile always improving his funny-depressed-ho-so-lame-kid image |
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"So I can honestly say that I have heard the music." well, in that case it all comes down to personal taste and preferences :-) I like the song and you don't... nothing wrong with that. (i still don't see what george bush had to do with any of this though ;-)) |
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