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PostModernVancouver from Vancouver, Canada on 2001-09-24 23:22 [#00035983]



BERLIN, Sept. 21 - The killing of thousands in the terrorist
attacks on New
York and Washington last week has prompted great unity of
purpose in the
United States, cemented by shared outrage. President Bush
has called on the
world to unite against barbarism.

While Europeans have expressed enormous sympathy and
solidarity, often in
emotional ways, they have also been divided in their
responses. A debate has
begun over whether the inconsistencies of American foreign
policy, and the
sheer weight of American dominance in the world, mean that
resentment of the
United States - even, in extreme cases, hatred - are
inevitable.

There was no rejoicing or support in Europe for the killing
of so many
Americans. Many Europeans wept and the continent fell silent
for a moment
last week in remembrance of the dead.

But it has also become clear that some Europeans feel that
ordinary
Americans have largely floated on a tide of prosperity,
triumphalism and
indifference to the world since the collapse of the Soviet
Union. Their view
is that the United States has now been confronted with a
sobering reality,
and that it must try to understand. For those critics,
Americans are now
facing unsurprising retaliation from an important part of
the Islamic world
that considers America to have declared war on its faith.

The arguments are sometimes simple - America should expect
war in return for
bombing Iraq regularly. Some Europeans also contend that
many Americans have
a blinding confidence in their own goodness and so do not
see that the acts
of the United States are regarded in many quarters as driven
by the
domineering pursuit of national self-interest.

European writers and intellectuals have pointed to a catalog
of actions that
include the bombing - in reprisal for the terrorist bombings
of two American
Embassies in East Africa in 1998 - of one of Sudan's two
pharmaceutical
factories on the challenged grounds that it was linked to
Osama bin Laden,
aid to Israel to buy weapons used against Palestinians, or
even the American
refusal to intervene to stop the mass killings in Rwanda.

Matthew Parris, a former Conservative Party member of the
British
Parliament, wrote in The Times of London, "The bigger they
come, the harder
they fall."

Disgusted by calls for quick revenge, Mr. Parris wrote: "Do
they think a
terrorist is like a pin in a bowling alley: one down, nine
to go? Do they
want to give Osama bin Laden his own Bloody Sunday? Do they
not know that
when you kill one bin Laden you sow 20 more? Playing the
world's policeman
is not the answer to that catastrophe in New York. Playing
the world's
policeman is what led to it."

Dario Fo, the Italian playwright and satirist who won the
Nobel Prize for
literature in 1997, said bluntly in a widely circulated
e-mail: "The great
speculators wallow in an economy that every year kills tens
of millions of
people with poverty - so what is 20,000 dead in New York?
Regardless of who
carried out the massacre, this violence is the legitimate
daughter of the
culture of violence, hunger and inhumane exploitation."

There have been other voices that pointed to Mr. bin Laden's
various
enemies: not just the United States but also the autocratic
Islamic
governments that Washington supports, like Saudi Arabia,
Egypt and Kuwait.

The Observer newspaper wrote: "America needs to recognize
that, all too
often, it poses as a champion of democracy while supporting
regimes, such as
that in Saudi Arabia, which have no proper respect for
democracy."

Tariq Ali, a leftist British commentator, wrote that America
was now about
to wage war on Afghanistan, a country ruled by a religious
movement, the
Taliban, only as a result of Washington's proxy war against
the Soviets.

Mr. bin Laden himself joined in that proxy battle, and
became a hero partly
because of that war.

"The underlying maxim is, `we will punish the crimes of our
enemies and
reward the crimes of our friends,' " Mr. Ali said.

In an editorial, Le Monde wrote that America is also
unreliable in the sense
of appearing inconstant in its choice of allies. The United
States, it
noted, refused to help Ahmed Shah Massoud, the leader of
anti-Taliban forces
who died last weekend from injuries suffered in an
assassination attempt.
Yet it considers Saudi Arabia an ally, although that "is
where the financial
support of the Islamic radicals comes from."

Even in Germany, one of Europe's most pro-American
countries, there was
concern that NATO allies had somehow handed Washington a
blank check. Die
Zeit commented that, "The defender against terror must not
act like a
furious giant," adding: "The fear of U.S. hegemony is as
deep-seated as the
anti-American sentiment that bubbled up predictably after
Bush came to
power."

Anti-Americanism is almost a reflex reaction among some
left-of-center
French intellectuals, and there has been a predictable
outpouring.

To the cry that "we are all Americans now," Marie-José
Mondzain, director of
the prestigious French National Center for Scientific
Research, writing in
Le Monde, retorted: "I don't feel at all American, but to
the contrary feel
redoubled in me all the reasons to condemn a world that
sings along with a
catastrophic president, who defends the death penalty and
who has only
disdain for the Middle East."

Such anti-Americanism is rare in Germany. But the composer
Karlheinz
Stockhausen, 73, called the attack on the World Trade Center
"the greatest
work of art imaginable for the whole cosmos," impressive for
the imagination
of the act and the precision of its execution.

His commentary was regarded with horror by a nation that has
reached out to
Americans with sympathy and support, and Mr. Stockhausen
apologized, saying
that his allegorical remarks had been misunderstood.

 

melody from manc on 2001-09-24 23:39 [#00035986]



illustrative commentary PMV.....
the implication being the US is the bully of the world:
yeah...
LETS SEE the EVIDENCE against whoever gets bombed before
they get bombed. dont just show our governments; WE want the
evidence, cos if the Western allies fuck this one up its our
children who'll get the next 747 down their throats.



 

Organ Grinder from my own little fantasy world on 2001-09-24 23:49 [#00035993]



Not to sound ANarchist or anything, the events of sept 11
were horrifying, but this thing here in America with
everyone putting flags on their cars made me ponder...

America is proud of itself and the stars and stripes now --
and it only took the deaths of 5000+ people.... i find that
sad.

George Bush has been trigger-happy ever since he got into
office.... he'd better not draft me. *grrrr@the draft*


 

PostModernVancouver from Vancouver, Canada on 2001-09-24 23:57 [#00035997]



Agreed Melody, theres many things that piss me off about the
way people are responding in the US.
I cant stand that whole God Bless America bullshit, how
about the rest of the world where far more innocent lives
end up in death EVERY DAY.
But oh no, the moment the US of A gets attacked and innocent
people die, everyone reacts as if those innocent people
deserve more attention, more mourning etc.....etc...
It is a horrible thing that happened ofcourse, but on a
global scale its nothing, I personally feel far more sorry
for millions of people starving elswhere, people being
abused, die everyday.. etc....for years on end...but where
are the mournings for them???Those innocent people are
Why, because they dont contribute to the world as our good
working money hungry material driven people ( a lot of em
anyways) in the WTC tower did???
This prayer service bullshit is total crap and extremely
selfish, they all go to church , read the bible and wanna go
to war afterwards....as if this is what it says in the
teachings of the bible ..
Oh lets all pray...for what????
No ones coming back......and even more sickening is how
these very people such as the survivors love to say that GOD
was by their side and all that crap...oh and the rest of the
ones who didnt make it GOD somehow let go huh??
As if the ones who survived now feel personally chosen by
God.( im not even remotely religious), but these people use
the word God for their own bloody convenience as most
North-Americans seem to do...



 

Afterthought from Chicago on 2001-09-25 00:00 [#00035998]



what are you guys talking about? do you believe everything
you read in the fucking paper? do you believe the media? I
don't even know an american who is like what you guys are
talking about... i don't even know a religious american...
we're not all wearing flags and praying...


 

PostModernVancouver from Vancouver, Canada on 2001-09-25 00:04 [#00036000]



tonnes of people in the Us I know are like this, maybe you
are not, but most of em believe blindly and stand behind
moron Bush, who shouldve stayed governor of Texas.
The whole world laughs at this man.trust me....

 

Afterthought from Chicago on 2001-09-25 00:09 [#00036001]



I laugh at it too...but we aren't all like that... you're
making pretty big generalizations...i'll be the first to
admit america fucking sucks but I hate being insulted like
"all of us" are like that...just like you'd hate me saying
all canadiens are like characters out of "strange brew."
there are people like that, but it does not represent the
majority...


 

Clobe Smith from united states on 2001-09-25 00:11 [#00036002]



we are stubborn in our ways, fat in our bellies, and
oblivious to the outside world unaware such horror can be a
part of everyday life. naturally there are the exceptions
... but with the people i've talked to, not a lot.

while everyone has been so devasted (rightly so) i can't
help but wonder what would tempt someone to take so many
lives (still oblivious to the situation, excuse me) and
wonder what the flags on cars and porches do in fact stand
for.

as individuals, though, what did they ever do to deserve
that?


 

melody from moo kid on 2001-09-25 00:11 [#00036003]



most Americans seem real good people to me, you dont see me
attacking good people or their religion;; But the coriidors
of power are based around asserting hegemony on the rest of
the world for US interests . Fuck anyone who dont like it
because weve got the weapons and controls to squeeze em dry
if they show dissent. US people like you and your pals aint
the problem , its the cunts in power and their redneck
sentiments.


 

PostModernVancouver from Vancouver, Canada on 2001-09-25 00:13 [#00036004]



i'm not saying everyone but many are,I never said EVERYONE.
And to be honest I couldnt care less if anyone puts down a
country I reside in, couldnt give a flying fuck to be
honest.
If i'm not personally insulted I dont care..I dont have the
need to feel part of a group or nation/country to be
important .
I see myself simply as a person of this world, just like you
are.
I'm simply commenting about how a large part of America is
reacting, thats all, and theres still a lot of self flattery
in many cases.
Dont worry, Im not talking about you personally....

 

Afterthought from Chicago on 2001-09-25 00:16 [#00036005]



Good, i'm not trying to be a bitch, and like you i don't
care about what people say about america... it's frustrating
though cause it's a difficult situation and we have a total
fucking MORON in office who wants to kill something really
badly...which reflects bad on a lot of us who do not support
him in any way whatsoever...


 

melody from ming on 2001-09-25 00:19 [#00036006]



all the "we'll show the world were the greatest" posturing
since the attacks just seems to me to be a tad perverse
considering the US attitude that actually catalysed the
attacks in the first place.
RE; nationality and identity; PMV is fuckin right; all that
dumb flag shit is for those who want their identity and
sense of self prescribed by something or someone more
powerful. SAD.....


 

Afterthought from Chicago on 2001-09-25 00:21 [#00036007]



good point melody...the posturing shit is really (the way I
look at it) for the jock-type people that just want to
belong...i really don't understand it. i've lived in
america my whole life and don't feel even a tiny bit of
nationalism or patriotism... i'm just kind of embarrassed..


 

PostModernVancouver from Vancouver, Canada on 2001-09-25 00:24 [#00036008]



I like this article by Noam Chomsky, theres some real valid
points in this one...

On the Bombings
Noam Chomsky

The terrorist attacks were major atrocities. In scale they
may not reach the
level of many others, for example, Clinton's bombing of the
Sudan with no
credible pretext, destroying half its pharmaceutical
supplies and killing
unknown numbers of people (no one knows, because the US
blocked an inquiry at the UN and no one cares to pursue it).
Not to speak of
much worse cases, which easily come to mind. But that this
was a horrendous
crime is not in doubt. The primary victims, as usual, were
working people:
janitors, secretaries, firemen, etc. It is likely to prove
to be a crushing
blow to Palestinians and other poor and oppressed people. It
is also likely
to lead to harsh security controls, with many possible
ramifications for
undermining civil liberties and internal freedom.

The events reveal, dramatically, the foolishness of the
project of "missile
defense." As has been obvious all along, and pointed out
repeatedly by
strategic analysts, if anyone wants to cause immense damage
in the US,
including weapons of mass destruction, they are highly
unlikely to launch a
missile attack, thus guaranteeing their immediate
destruction. There are
innumerable easier ways that are basically unstoppable. But
today's events
will, very likely, be exploited to increase the pressure to
develop these
systems and put them into place. "Defense" is a thin cover
for plans for
militarization of space, and
with good PR, even the flimsiest arguments will carry some
weight among a
frightened public.

In short, the crime is a gift to the hard jingoist right,
those who hope to
use force to control their domains. That is even putting
aside the likely US
actions, and what they will trigger -- possibly more attacks
like this one,
or worse. The prospects ahead are even more ominous than
they appeared to be
before the latest atrocities.

As to how to react, we have a choice. We can express
justified horror; we
can seek to understand what may have led to the crimes,
which means making
an effort to enter the minds of the likely perpetrators. If
we choose the
latter course, we can do no better, I think, than to listen
to the words of
Robert Fisk, whose direct knowledge and insight into affairs
of the region
is unmatched after many years of distinguished reporting.
Describing "The
wickedness and awesome cruelty of a crushed and humiliated
people," he
writes that "this is not the war of democracy versus terror
that the world
will be asked to believe in the coming days. It is also
about American
missiles smashing into Palestinian homes and US helicopters
firing missiles
into a Lebanese ambulance in 1996 and American shells
crashing into a
village called Qana and about a Lebanese militia - paid and
uniformed by
America's Israeli ally - hacking and raping and murdering
their way through
refugee camps." And much more. Again, we have a choice: we
may try to
understand, or refuse to do so, contributing to the
likelihood that much
worse lies ahead.

 

melody from mecca on 2001-09-25 00:33 [#00036016]



just as peace was breaking out ........
Chomsky is himself Jewish and a credit to thee art of
delving into the key issues . Read "Acts of aggression" and
the "Umberella of power" Rephlex , they may (or may not)
help ......


 

PostModernVancouver from Vancouver, Canada on 2001-09-25 00:34 [#00036017]



Trust me Reflex, the Americans live on War, they always
have.
When they end up in a recession war has always been there
way out, mostly seen as a humanitarian thing but in the end
only to serve themselves.
Kill em all will never ever solve this problem.
First its Bin laden they want, now all of a sudden its an
all out attack on terrorism which they will NEVER conquer.
Bush has no clue who and what hes dealing with.
I lived in Saudi Arabia for 3 years( Dhahran) and unless
you've been there you'd know what I'm talking about ( No
offense to you Reflex), but theres so much the US has done
in the middle east that no civilian person in the US and
Canada knows anything about.
The media hides far too much for that.

This is the 'spoilt child' syndrome.
America gets hit...oh boy......( not to take aways from the
horrible event, but I dont like the fact that this gets more
attention then when something happens far away)
And terrorism will never ever be defeated and thats a
guarantee


 

melody from macho on 2001-09-25 00:41 [#00036021]



USA put the Taliban and Bin Laden in the position of power
they now enjoy; so lets now "fuck the sick bastards??"
Rephlex?? . The northern Afghanis who the US is now siding
with have an equally bad record on human rights, especially
for women; but you dont want to FUCK EM do you. Any excuse
for a good war eh Rephlex?


 

PostModernVancouver from Vancouver, Canada on 2001-09-25 00:44 [#00036025]



reflex, I meant the American government ofcourse...
And yes, history has proven this and I know far too many
people who have waged for wars for the US they'll tell ya
differently....
Its simply my personal opinion ( not without getting and
having proof) that the US goverment in terms of world
affairs are just about the most corrupt of all.
Simply my opinion.

 

melody from mars on 2001-09-25 00:57 [#00036035]



REPHLEX.....it shows that you live on the wave of present
emotion rather than looking at the bigger picture; that
whoever ends up in power in Afghanistan will become Americas
next enemy unless you stop victimising the people of
Afghanistan for their governments alleigance with Bin Laden
(which is ALWAYS the effect of war and sanctions......
Bombing the Taliban only creates much more vengeance against
the US and so the spiral of hatred deepens.........


 

Baron Von picklefoot from The Baron got a DSL line Woo hoo on 2001-09-25 02:24 [#00036047]



I gotta get the fuck out of American I don't like it here I
think I might buy a Island does anyone want in ???THE BARON
HAS SPOKEN!!


 

Baron Von picklefoot from The Baron got a DSL line Woo hoo on 2001-09-25 02:39 [#00036063]



Give me 2 hours to pack my bags and I'm on my way over
!!!!!There better be plenty of nude women for all!!!THE
BARON HAS SPOKEN!!!


 

arse-rival on 2001-09-25 04:24 [#00036075]



gee reflex you're a feisty little fuck aren't ya

 

oysterclam from brooklyn on 2001-09-25 07:23 [#00036104]



i was watching mtv last night and they had all these kids
who live in places other than ny saying they cried and their
hearts go out to ny and shit, then my boy courtney walked in
and said "shit guys they canceled boo6 (ny's anual
mega-rave)". kids in ny are pissed that boo 6 got canceled.
hehe.
oh and since the 'tragedy' or whatever are k source has
dried up. i'm assuming its cuz of the tight security around
the city lately. that really fuckin sucks.

i dont care about my country really. they made drugs
illegal. i do drugs, so the country's been waging war on its
youthg for a long time now.

last week me and carlos went around union square hanging up
"have you seen me?" pposters of ourselves.
that shit was fun.
=fuckyous

 

Eusis from USA on 2001-09-25 07:24 [#00036105]



PostModrenVancover in one of your statements on this message
board you stated that

"As if the ones who survived now feel personally chosen by
God.( im not even remotely religious), but these people use
the word God for their own bloody convenience as most
North-Americans seem to do... "

Your in Canada right? The North-American Continent contains
The United States, CANADA and Mexico. You yourself are
north-american. So your actually one of these people that
you are talking about, right? Oh I know you'll say your not
using the word of God, but you are using recent events and
your need for attention for your own convenience. You are no
better than anybody else in this world so stop acting like
you are more informed about the world than anyone else is. I
am not trying to offend you in anyway I just feel that
statements you have posted here about us are totally
uninformed as everything else in the world is. I will agree
with you that this was The United State's fault. But some of
your comments about this are very misinformed. You tell us
to look at the bigger picture. Why don't you try looking at
the bigger picture. The recent tragedy's that have taken
place are not ONLY the direct result of The United State's
foreign policy decisions. True some of the decisions we have
made in this area have warranted the attacks. But a lot of
the blame lays on our kindness to accept anyone into our
country that wishes to live here. I am not saying this in a
pigheaded lets shut our borders and not accept anyone else
kind of way. I am saying that we are so willing to accept
other people who are discontent with their government's way
of life that we have let our immigration offices slip into
total chaos. That is a big part of the reason we allowed
terrorist to get on our planes and kill our citizens.
Another reason is that we have become to easy going. We
actually allowed these people to come into our country and
go to our flight school's and say "I'm not actually
interested in taking off or landing I just want to learn how
to do the stuff in between." Why? We are Americans. We were
fortunate enough to live in a country where we felt safe.
All of that is changing now. These attacks were good for us
as a whole in a way. Another thing that you have said that
is uniformed is that it's the president's fault. You say
this because he is a republican and republican's are all big
supporters of the military. If you really want to look at
the BIG PICTURE it is the other way around. Democrats are to
blame. The bombings you referred to that Clinton agreed with
were because Democrats felt that Osama needed to be
punished, but they don't like war so they figure you throw a
couple of bombs at him and go away for a little bit. He
attacked a naval vessel, Killed a couple of people. He blows
up some embassies kills a couple of more people. Now to me
the attack on a Naval vessel would warrant an act of war
against Osama, but no, democrats do not want to go to war
they just like to throw a couple or stones and result to
name calling. Anyone who says The United States should not
take military action against Osama and terrorist actions is
not looking and the bigger picture. If we sit here and do
nothing we just warrant more attacks against us. Another
thing that has changed for the better since the attacks is
that our government has sat politic's aside for the moment
being. Hopefully it will stay that way. They are no longer
worrying about who sleeps with who, they are now worrying
that we have steered away for the true purpose of our
government for too long. It is a government meant to protect
but lately it has been a government that has sought to blame
each other for what happened. It use to be it's not our
fault it's theirs. Now the case is it's our fault and we're
sorry. Maybe that's why SOME of the people have flags on
their cars. Oh another I want to ask you. You say war is
always what America does to get out of a recission? The only
big recission that I can think of that we got out of because
of us going to war was the great depression. Are you saying
we should have sat by and watched Hitler murder thousands of
people? I don't agree with war totally. Most war's that The
United States have engaged in were pointless. Vietnam is a
great example of that. But when something of this magnitude
happens you can't just sit by and do nothing. Hmm to put it
another way, if someone walked into your house and murdered
your family while you were out doing something would you not
want to take any form of revenge on them?


 

Eusis from USA on 2001-09-25 08:40 [#00036137]



I agree. The statment he made about the wtc connecting it
with a sign of The United State's wealth was ill informed.
It's called the world trade center, not the USA trade
center. There were people of other nationalities that worked
there. Canadians, Chiness, British, Japaness it goes on and
on. Our Govrenment is not to be blamed entirely for people
starving in other counties. If you want the truth it is
corperations. Corperations that care not a thing about us,
the earth or the enviroment. They just care about money.
They are the ones who truely owned the wtc. Sure there were
a couple of federal office's in it, but most of them were
stockbrokers. Not govrenment Officals. If your looking for
infomation you don't get in news papers often check out
www.corpwatch.org out sometime. The world is being killed.
Coperations should start getting picked on as much as world
govrenments do. I hope I'm not comming off as an americain
zealoist or anything. And I hope I have not offended anyone
by anything I have said on this message board. I just feel
that people should start looking at things from more
perspectives than what the media in your respected part of
the world tells you to.


 

Mr Cool from Norwich on 2001-09-25 09:04 [#00036144]



REFLEX, noone cares what you think.

 

Mr Cool from Norwich on 2001-09-25 09:20 [#00036146]



eusis, it's you're not your.
how can you sit and talk about a lot of bull, like you
actually know what you're talking about, and hope for anyone
to take you serious when you can't even spell.
oh, and it's recEssion, not recission.
what the hell is that?
By the way, i am Mexican, not North American

 

Eusis from USA on 2001-09-25 09:29 [#00036153]



Most of the people on this message board don't spell things
right. Why single me out? By the way their is this book
called an atlas. It's got pictures of what the earth looks
like when you veiw from above. Go to the part on north
america and you will see Mexico as being part of north
amerian. You are mexicain. True. But you also live in north
america which makes you north american also.


 

Mr Cool from Norwich on 2001-09-25 09:29 [#00036156]



Eusis, i want you to write down these words ten times until
you learn,
statement
chinese
japanese
government
officials
information
truly
environment
american
coming
centre, though i think this one is something to do with the
way americans spell.
anyway, you should listen to pmv, he makes more sense than
all of you.


 

Mr Cool from Norwich on 2001-09-25 09:39 [#00036161]



eusis, i singled you out because you spout a lot of bull.
Mexico is middle America, we are the same people as those
from Guatamala, Belize and the rest of central America.
we are just divided because of bullsh*t politics, we are in
no way connected with the US or Canada, except Aztlan, or
the so-called southwest USA, which will always be Mexico, it
was stolen illegaly just like a certain Israel i can think
of. the US like to help to claim land unfairly and through
ill means, dont they?
forget a map, a map is bull, great, mexico is just below
USA, so what.


 

Eusis from USA on 2001-09-25 09:44 [#00036162]



So you are saying people who do no live in this country know
more about what is going on inside of it than people who do?


 

Mr Cool from Norwich on 2001-09-25 09:49 [#00036165]



yes, of course.
we can see what is going on inside.
you are blinkered by your Americanism.
a drunk man doesn't realise what a fool he looks like, he
needs someone to tell him that for him.


 

Mr Cool from Norwich on 2001-09-25 09:55 [#00036168]



how can you compare what happened to someone going into your
house and killing your family? there is no similarity
whatsoever. think before you write.



 

Eusis from USA on 2001-09-25 10:01 [#00036171]



So why not just say they truth. You didn't single me out
because I spout bull. It's just because I am American. Okay
Look at it this way. When you were a child you had parent's
that told you what to do. You could say that when you get
Older Govrenments can fill in the place of parents because
they lay laws down that you have to follow. If you look at
it from that perspective you ccould say that all citizen's
of govrenment are it's children. Therefore it would be like
someone comming into their house and murdering them.


 

Mr Cool from Norwich on 2001-09-25 10:14 [#00036175]



governments f*ck the people over, they kill people of their
own country, they lie, they steal from the poorest, they
favour the priveleged, they cheat, they massacre.
they don't show love, only when they put on an act to get on
our good side, so we vote for them.
i'd rather do without family like that, with family you feel
connection and love, governments do not do that.
Bush doesn't care for the families of the dead, just his
hurt pride. It's all an act, the sooner you learn this and
wake up from your delusions, the better.
There is no family involved.

 

Eusis from USA on 2001-09-25 10:18 [#00036176]



And the soon you wake up from your delusions and realize
that corporations are just as bad as any govrenment the
better you will be. So I guess you had a perfect family that
didn't say or do anything that you disagreed with or felt
was wrong or made you angry?


 

Mr Cool from Norwich on 2001-09-25 10:29 [#00036177]



i have had enough of this seek and destroy mentality the
americans seem to be taking on, they are hell bent on
retaliation, not even giving a second thought to getting to
the actual root of the problem.
why did this happen?
greed, america HAS to be the biggest, greatest superpower on
earth, and will stop at nothing.
oh, a few small insignificant countries might kick up a
fuss, just blow them off the face of the planet, why not?
just as long as they can remain all powerful.
spread your beliefs, everyone elses is worthless, you NEED
everyone to think the way you do, get your influence spread
all over the globe. f*ck all the other cultures, the
american way is THE way, those who dont agree, impose
sanctions, bomb their villages.
damn straight.

 

Eusis from USA on 2001-09-25 10:34 [#00036178]



It seems to me that these attacks are most of the opinions
from people outside the usa steam from the greatest evil of
all. Jealousy. Can you tell me with a straight face that
corporations haven't screwed your countires economy and eco
system more than any govrenment ever has?


 

Mr Cool from Norwich on 2001-09-25 10:36 [#00036180]



i never doubted that the big corporations were evil, they
are equally bad.
of course my family is not perfect, of course i get angry,
but you miss the point as clear as your nose.
GOVERNMENTS DO NOT GIVE A F*CK ABOUT US, JUST OUR VOTES TO
GET THEM INTO POWER, NO LOVE INVOLVED WHATSOEVER. ONCE THEY
ARE THERE THEY JUST ABUSE THEIR POWER.



 

Eusis from USA on 2001-09-25 10:38 [#00036181]



OUR Votes? since when did mexico vote in usa elections?

 

Mr Cool from Norwich on 2001-09-25 10:42 [#00036182]



i agree about the corporations, you are spot on with those.
There is no jealousy involved at all, why should i be
jealous, you are no better than me, you or your country.


 

Mr Cool from Norwich on 2001-09-25 10:43 [#00036183]



Governments of the world.

 

Eusis from USA on 2001-09-25 10:44 [#00036185]



Just because you are upset with your govrenment dosen't give
you the right to rip on other people's govrenment. And I
never said they WERE our families you said there was no
connection what so ever to comparing it to family members
getting killed. I said you could LOOK at it from that
prespective to see how you can connect the two. Apparently
you can agree with this veiw because now you are using the
family comparison.


 

Mr Cool from Norwich on 2001-09-25 10:45 [#00036186]



its been interesting talking to you, and i thank you for the
discussion.
but, i have to leave now.
cheerio.

 

Eusis from USA on 2001-09-25 10:49 [#00036190]



It has been intresting. Thank you for taking the time to
share you veiws with me.


 

Eusis from USA on 2001-09-25 10:57 [#00036194]



Before I log off I would like to agree with reflex one last
time. He is right if we were going to bomb the hell out of
them we would have done it already. We just want the people
who were involed and aided.. the same as any other country
would if this happened to them.


 

Eusis from USA on 2001-09-25 12:03 [#00036198]



The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 + 1 + 1 = 11

September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11

After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of
the year.

119 is the area code to Iraq/Iran. 1 + 1 + 9 =11

Twin Towers - standing side by side, looks like the number
11

The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11

But ....There's More.......

State of New York - The 11 State added to the Union

New York City - 11 Letters

Afghanistan - 11 Letters

The Pentagon - 11 Letters

Ramzi Yousef - 11 Letters (convicted of orchestrating the
attack on the WTC in 1993)

Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11

Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11

Weird

 

melody from mars on 2001-09-25 13:43 [#00036224]



Bush should declare war on Arithmetic , the number "11" and
anybody harbouring maths books and calculators. Especially
calculators that have beards. If any do...........


 

Eusis from USA on 2001-09-25 13:51 [#00036228]



Bush can only declare war on all those things for a mere 30
days. You need congress to give him the ok to declare
actual war.


 

Julian Casablancas on 2001-09-25 13:54 [#00036230]



Yeah, I think we should stop using Arabic numerals, too.

 

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