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Ok, I'm trying to provoke here or anything. I'd just like to know why you all love these two older Aphex Albums so much. To be, they sound nice, but strangely amuturish compared to say, Windowlicker or Druqks (not the piano tracks, the drill n' bass ones) I mean, Mookid is really nice and soothing (though, badly proudced imho...hear that slight disortion?) and Ventolin is interesting enough, as is Acrid Avid Jam. But the rest seems like filler ambient/noisey stuff. Icct Hedrak is very moody and brooding, but doesn't reach any sort of climax (like most tracks here) I do love Wet Tip Hen Ax though-very chilling. Overall however, I wasn't highly impressed by ICBYD, but could bear and enjoy alot of it. But, to me, the RDJames album is a joke. 32 minutes, and not even too amazing at that. In fact, some of it is plain embarassing, and bizzarely funny. I love Boy/Girl song, but the rest of the album seems badly produced, pretty childish and lacking. I'll admit it's very original for it's time, but sounds like he either couldn't be bothered or was exploring a new sound, and hadn't fully mastered it yet. I think I was spoiled by Druqks (even though only about 60% was amazing.) But his earlier stuff doesn't impress me. And please don't get angry, I'm merely interested if anyone else remotely agrees with me, or why you don't agree. |
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i agree, these 2 albums are his weakest imo |
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well well well, this is gonna be a hard fight icbyd and rdj are his best releases imo they are genious they are 15 out of 10 drukqs is great, a masterpiece, but it didnt cause half of the influence that these other two had on music history |
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i like these two least of his releases (except for mike & rich one), but they are both great non the less especially rdj album is awesome |
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"drukqs is great, a masterpiece, but it didnt cause half of the influence that these other two had on music history " I'll agree they're influencial, but i don't find them so accomplished. |
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I just have a different opinion... I mean, icbyd is the perfect album for me... rdj maybe too short but still 1000 years ahead when it came out |
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did rdj and icbyd albums get all the attention as soon as they were released? i think drukqs is going to get more appreciated in some years |
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Best cd's ( maybe by any artist ever IMO) are SAWII and ICBYD |
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Well you have to be a newbie if you say you do not like his old stuff. But your entitled to your opinion as it was so nicely put. Lol. ;-) |
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thanks |
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what you choose to call amateurish is called "ground breaking".."evolutionary"..most of what you are hearing in IDM right now wouldn't exist if these album hadnt provided a blueprint for things that followed...these albums are the part of a process of a sonic vocabulary being forged.. slagging them now is like going back the evolutionary scale ..and going haahaa(Nelson Muntz style) at the cavemen of the Ice Age...you suck..you live in caves..you smell funny..you wear funny clothes..havent you heard of a K Mart?havent you heard of climate controlled skyscrappers you ignorant fucks... |
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ICBYD has some very unique and beautiful music in it, it showcases an almost perfect balance of many different strange and familiar sounds composed into stunning and fantastic tracks, and I can't think of anything else out there quite like it... this is why I love it so much. |
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"drukqs is great, a masterpiece, but it didnt cause half of the influence that these other two had on music history" Thats because drukqs hasn't been around long enough to influence music history. Just wait, and listen, you'll hear it. |
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Speaking of which I took out ICBYD and put it on repeat and read this book i've been into, and it turns out I went through the album 6 times last night while reading. It's just that damn good. |
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wow, listening icbyd and reading a book? how do you manage? i mean its hard for me to focus on music and reading posts here, not to speak of reading a book hehe |
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i kind of agree that icbyd and rdj album aren't mastered very well.. but i still think the melodies and drums etc are awesome.. and i sometimes like when electronic tracks aren't shiny and perfectly produced.. |
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It's odd that almost everyone either likes both the RDJ album and ...I Care etc best, or they like them least. One way or the other. Personally I really loved ...I Care Because You Do, right from the opener I though it was great, right up to Next Heap With, which is just gorgeous, but when the RDJ album came out I thought it was quite weak. It was short for one, and the tracks didn't seem quite finished, or kind of simple or something. Maybe it was that they seemed so out of place under the Aphex Twin monicker, but I just felt a little cheated and haven't really had the incentive to get to like the tracks. I didn't dislike all of them though, Logon Rock Witch is great, I'll always love that one, and a couple of the others, but as a whole I thought it was luke warm. Windowlicker didn't really appeal to me that much either. |
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I've always thought Come To Daddy was his best work. It sounds like nothing else i've heard. it's the most fun RDJ release. it always gets me in a good mood. |
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Minus girl/boy and maybe 1 or two others RDJ album is weak I agree. tolstoyed - yeah man, I couldn't beleive it either ( obviously i skipped over ventolin tho) |
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RDJ album is not weak.. come on.. the equipment might be a little weak.. but it is his strongest full length album (I Care.. loses many points for "come on you slags" and the tracks similar to this) Windowlicker is his pound/for pound best work.. followed by RDJ 4, yellow calx, girl/boy (and its 18 pound snare rush) inkey string.. come ON .. how could you NOT think this is definately a top 2 or 3 release w/in the aphex catalog |
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"what you choose to call amateurish is called "ground breaking".."evolutionary"..most of what you are hearing in IDM right now wouldn't exist if these album hadnt provided a blueprint for things that followed...these albums are the part of a process of a sonic vocabulary being forged.. slagging them now is like going back the evolutionary scale ..and going haahaa(Nelson Muntz style) at the cavemen of the Ice Age...you suck..you live in caves..you smell funny..you wear funny clothes..havent you heard of a K Mart?havent you heard of climate controlled skyscrappers you ignorant fucks... " well said flea, I couldn't agree more. I listened to drukqs the other day and found that it all sounded a bit same same. Just about every song had the same synths and I really don't like all the "beat gibberish" he's doing all the time on drukqs, it's way too annoying. so that had me pressing the "next" button by the time cd2 came on. I never have that on either ICBYD or the RDJ album. |
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a lot of tracks on drukqs were almost indistinguishable from one another.. and were very metallic/abrasive/grating and were just 7 minutes of brooding melodies and skittering beats.. a lot of the piano melodies were very nice.. very calming.. but drukqs couldn't possibly be considered one of his best.. although a lot of it gets better after many repeated listenings |
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I guess the differences in opinion are just down to simple personal taste and folks can argue til they're blue in the bum about which is best. It's all down to when you got into Aphex' music and what else you were in to at the time. I came from a dancey-electroey-technoey sort of direction, rather than, say, a metal direction, plus I was into Aphex right from the start, Analogue Bubblebath 1, Joyrex, Quoth sort of era, which is the style I really loved. I think I'd rate Classics as the best 'album' (yes yes I know it's a compilation) so a divergence from that style I wasn't happy with. Don't go thinking that I'm not open to new styles, but the RDJ style-direction just didn't appeal to me as much as it does to some. Sorry. |
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the rdj album sure feels very goofy in front of classics (probably my fav too, the one that got me struck the most when listening for the first time) ...i care because you do is another story... i cannot judge it cos i'm all devoted to these songs, so it wouldn't be obective (i'm a bit like theo, come on you slags as nothing to do on it, maybe caustic window... bah!) |
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i wouldnb't say they are is weakest but his most commercial especially RDJ album! (i mean from the LP's) |
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I love classics and all that old stuff I love rdj album too |
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"Ok, I'm trying to provoke here or anything." well done :) you left the 'not' out already :P |
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I do agree that ICBTD is a little bit inconsistent. I love some tracks, but some others don't do much for me. However: how you could put Alberto Balsalm in the "filler ambient/noisey stuff"-category is beyond me! :-p That has got to be one my favourite aphex-tracks ever. RDJ-album is amazing from start to finnish. Not a weak track on there. And it always makes me laugh when people say they don't like it's because it's too short. Haha! It's like saying SAWII is great because it lasts over 2 hours. (and i think prince once made a triple-album... that's got to be the best album ever then ;-)) Come on... the quantity has nothing to do with the quality! Just listen to those tracks... they're all perfect. Making them longer would not have improved them. |
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agree about your statement of rdj album but: ICBTD is a little bit inconsistent** NO NO NO for me its the fucking king of "Consistentland" |
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ICBTD = i care because thou do? :P ow i see you're a lurker, sorry that's the reason probably :D no, i'm just foolin' around, it's quite obvious that i have too much spare time ey? btw i agree on ablerto balsalm, it's one of my fav's too :) |
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ablerto <-- ooh boy there it comes |
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RDJ Album is you phuqqin daddy. Seriously, no harsh words 'bout this album. Sorry, but I'd say this is a stupid phuqqin topic. |
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THE RDJ ALBUM IS THE BEST ALBUM HE MADE....damn caps |
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for me RDJ is far superior live as a DJ or with his own stuff, than his studio work. I thinks most of the trascks off these two albums work singualrily, or in a mz with other electronica but i don´t like sitting through the entire thing in one go. Mix it up chaps and download his live stuff and RDJ is bloody great. (Same for Drukqs, Classics, HAB, SAW1, 2 etc) |
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i meant "they work in a MIX, better" |
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anybody who thinks rdj album is weak and amaturish needs to make an album. when you make a song better than logon rock witch then i'll give you some credit. i think that album is very technical and experimental. amaturish is some shit like photek or ur average 'DJ XTC' type shit. ventolin is on icbyd.... how could you say ventolin is simple and weak? you must be deaf. |
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my 2 cents: IF drukqs was one disc it would've been the best. i think there's alot of filler on there, which when you read interviews around that time, he even TALKS about it like that. in that case, rdj is MUCH more tighter of an album. there really isn't any filler there, to me (and prolly to him, too). |
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the ICBYD era was when things started to get just that little bit more interesting |
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I agree, he whould have gotten all the cooler melody tracks and ALL the drum&bass tracks and made it one CD.. |
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"ICBTD = i care because thou do?" LOL! Always a pleasure to have you online morton ;-) But just look at your keyboard! The T and the Y are right next to eachother... eventually it's only logic that mistakes will be made. The average person probably hits the right key 999 times out of a 1000 times... so once every 1000 letters a little mistake must come up. :-p ":P ow i see you're a lurker, sorry that's the reason probably :D" heehee, i hadn't even noticed! Wow... so you're right, i'm a lurker again... Well i haven't posted much in the last week. It's a sad story really :-( Our cat became very sick last weekend, and altough the vet tried very hard, nothing could be done to help him. Yesterday we had to put him to sleep :'( So it was a long and unpleasant week for me. |
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average = 99.9% perfect? nah i type about 73 typos every 3 words. |
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lol, how long did it take you to write that post then? |
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im still not finished... |
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Actually, one of the things I love about the RDJ Album is the production values... I NEVER found them to be ''amateurish''... I love the sounds and the quality. The beats on Cornish Acid are the best I've ever heard, production wise... well, maybe not the best, but the style is exactly what I go for. I just love what it sounds like. And the warm synth on Yellow Calx, his voice on Milkman and Beetles, those strings on Girl/Boy, the fucking INSANITY of Peek and Inkey$... man, I just LOVE the production on that. |
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well not long ago we had a competition of all the aphex releases (45 diferent albums or eps) all of us were free to vote and this was the result: Aphex Twin-Drukqs ...........................209 **Richard D James Album .....................166 **I Care Because You Do .....................133 Selected Ambient Works Volume II ...119 Selected Ambient Works 85-92..........104 HangCome To Daddy ........................62 hangable Auto Bulb 2 .................59 Hangable Auto Bulb EP ...............36 Surfing On Sine Waves ....................34 Analogue Bubblebath 3 ....................33 so, I think its clear that they are two of our top favourites, and by no means the weakests |
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this is: second and third out of 45 taken from a poll where we all who voted where afx fans, so in some way kind of specialists |
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Aha! It seems like people might well be talking at cross purposes here! Ophecks' post just made me realise that there are (at least) two versions out there. One which has just the RDJ album tracks on it ('4' to 'logon rock witch') - this is the way the album is supposed to be, and there's the US version which has tracks from the Girl/Boy EP on it. It *would* be a better album with those tracks on it. But that's not the version I got and it's not the version I was talking about. I have the Girl/Boy EP as a single, and that is great! |
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Sorrt abouy yhe cay surrounded, and i guess we all make misyakes while ytping, btw: your already a regular again ! good job! :) |
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nacmat said somethin very important. even if these releases aren't good for someone (i think icbyd is overrated, too). but these albums were fuckin influential, lookin at the time they were released. if you'd hear them right after the release, you'd find them fuckin impresive. |
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thank you for your sympathy :-) "your already a regular again !" yeah, i'll be an addict again before you can say: "huh? that was fast" ;-) But i saw you've earned yourself a gold star... hm.... hm... I'll have to think about how i'm going to beat that :-p |
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