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Id Lab on 2001-04-06 00:16 [#00002718]



Just the fact that you've clicked on the word 'politics'
proves something, I suppose. I'm wondering whether musical
taste is linked to political leaning, and so whether
everyone here will be in the same area politically. Please
indicate roughly where you stand, something like 'liberal',
'anarchist', 'Nazi' or 'don't give a toss', so I can take a
quick survey.


 

AFXDUB from Canada on 2001-04-06 00:18 [#00002721]



Im a "progressive conservative"... its a political party i
voted for up here in Canada.. the partys name is PC. [hence
the name].


 

Tekn010g from Australia on 2001-04-06 00:19 [#00002722]



anarchist, but in the nicest way :)

 

AFXDUB from Canada on 2001-04-06 00:20 [#00002723]



i didn't think that anarchy would work. at all. not in the
state that humans as a race behave.


 

Tekn010g from Australia on 2001-04-06 00:31 [#00002730]



there are too many arsholes in the world for an anarchy
system to work, but me and all my friends are anarchists,
but we never do anything to hurt people, we just like
blatent, unreasonable violence and stupidity, think fight
club,.....


 

Ross from Can. on 2001-04-06 00:41 [#00002735]



was being a nazi a joke? i hope so..if anyone digs Hitler
that's stupid..


 

Ross from Can. on 2001-04-06 00:41 [#00002736]



i meant as in id labs question of where you stand..

 

Ross from Can. on 2001-04-06 00:42 [#00002739]



if i had to support a party it would unfortunately be ndp,
ideas wise. But i dont like their party, so i couldnt
support it. I'm more on the left side of things, but not as
far as communism.


 

AFXDUB from Canada on 2001-04-06 00:50 [#00002744]



Ross; ndp i see.. well thats ok. I like the left side.. but
it has its perks.. and i dont like dat! I voted PC and. i
believe in it, they will keep our govt. outta our faces.


 

XePhA88 from san jose, ca on 2001-04-06 00:50 [#00002745]



hrmm, well i am pretty much a liberal, but i don't know what
category my true political feelings would be placed in.
basically i believe in peace, love, equality and all that
bullshit. but i really HATE economy. i would love it if
there could be a society without economy. it might not be
possible right now, but technology is rapidly changing and
it will affect our everyday lives. i don't doubt that we
will soon be able to have robots do all of the in service
jobs. humans will just be required for critical thinking
and art.

i really do believe that.

 

TekN010G from Australia on 2001-04-06 00:55 [#00002746]



I think that the internet is a good example of this,
everything is either shared or free, I can't be bothered
going in to the details, but I think that the world could
revolve without money, sort of like a common curtasy thing


 

AFXDUB from Canada on 2001-04-06 01:04 [#00002753]



All these things are true in theory.. its nice though..
XEPHA GO ON ICQ!


 

hevquip from horse's foot on 2001-04-06 19:58 [#00002837]



i think political denominations are there to protect us from
our stupidity, but would not associate myself with one. we
ought all be at war against each other living within each of
our clans. i would much hope that a future could bring forth
such an oppurtunity.


 

XePhA88 from san jose, ca on 2001-04-06 20:01 [#00002838]



okay.. i think i've figured out my political choice. I am a
confucian.


 

hevquip from horse's foot on 2001-04-06 21:44 [#00002843]



philosophical politics, eh? very interesting...

 

Id Lab on 2001-04-06 23:04 [#00002845]



Ross - I wasn't expecting anyone to be a nazi, just giving
examples of possibilities.

As expected, most people seem to be left-leaning. But this
'progressive conservative' thing confuses me - isn't that an
oxymoron?


 

Ross from Can. on 2001-04-07 01:18 [#00002850]



ah, no hard feelings id lab, sorry about that..yeah i
expected everyone to be closer to the left, not to
generalize, but to me, it seems like right wing people
wouldnt listen to aphex. I dont know why..most right wing
people i know are more 'moral' or conservative


 

Id Lab on 2001-04-08 19:56 [#00002919]



That's what I thought, but I'm testing the theory.
I see some confusion here. In the UK, the Conservatives are
the right-wing mainstream party. So in Canada they're the
left?

Anyway, I still think 'progressive conservative' is an
oxymoron. To use the dictionary, progressive is 'favouring
rapid progress or reform', and conservative is 'averse to
rapid changes... disposed to maintain existing
institutions'. Not to diss the party, just the name makes no
sense.


 

hedtwin from Manchester, England. on 2001-04-08 22:15 [#00002926]



i personally don't care that much. I suppose i am a
capatalist but could not go into any more detail than that.


 

***BeTh23*** from seattle wa usa on 2001-04-08 23:17 [#00002929]



communalist-decentralist anarchy for me please

 

Ramalpha84 from New Zealand (www.mp3.com/aureus) on 2001-04-09 01:50 [#00002940]



I'm in the "don't give a toss" section. Then again, that's
probably cause I'm not even old enough to vote.


 

XePhA88 from San Jose, CA on 2001-04-10 20:28 [#00003060]



confucius was a philosopher... but he was mainly a
philosopher of society. he was governer of his hometown
once, where he made major reforms. it was known as the only
time when there was virtually no crime. confucianism is not
a philosophy, but an idealism for society.


 

ItalAnarchista from world on 2001-06-01 06:23 [#00007808]



Please...all of you....go to this site...it will be a badass
way for you to insight into anarchism and free-living.

Crimethinc.com

check out the articles and the messageboard there

do yourself the favor...it cant change your life but itll
help. reclaim the streets.


 

delet... from red-neck backwoods ... on 2001-06-01 07:35 [#00007811]



this is in reply to .. "XePhA88"

who stated .. "i don't doubt that we will soon be able to
have robots do all of the in service jobs" ... no offence
dude .. but this is the prevailing myth .. that has been
bandied about to subsequent generations .. 'ov workers for
nearly a centurary .. 'the technology will lead to a utopia
for all' ... well .. i'm afraid that it appears that we're
not really heading in that direction .. i mean what happens
to people who don't work in our society these days .. who
through the above quote should been seen as the forunner's
for this idealic social nirvana .. and look how they are
treated by the general public .. as pariahs .. not as the
inevitable result 'ov the expanding mechanisation 'ov labour
.. but leaches on the rest 'ov society .. for not "working"
.. even though there are no jobs for them to fill ... so if
one were to extend forward a few years .. to when much more
is automated .. who would really be benefitting from this
... and what would happen to the rest 'ov us ...

.. power is being concentrated in fewer and fewer hands ..
disinfranchising the masses .. as they are given the same
tired old line .. that if they just tough it out for a few
more years .. we'll all be living in the perfect world .. (i
could go on and on .. to really prove my point but i won't
...)

i'm against most politics .. as the current democratic
system doesn't have enough real participents .. to make it a
valid representation 'ov democracy as a defined ideal ..
(only a very small minority within the population is
actaully a member 'ov a political party that then preselcts
a candidate to stand for office .. therefore 'ov course we
end up with idiots in office) .. we don't have real
democracy .. and the people don't seem to care .. as their
life skills have been impared be a poor education system ..
and a generally ignorent community .. who's lase faire
attitude is fualed by cynical media barons .. and
opertunistic .. and parasitic corporations ..

that said .. i'm probably gonna vote .. green .. even
though the one's in my state .. stupidly believed the lies
'ov the conservatives three elections ago .. and gave them
.. their preferences .. oh well maybe .. they've grown a
brain ..

yob_ .. with a capital .. 'ee 'arr ...

 

XePhA88 from in front of b00ba on 2001-06-01 09:43 [#00007828]



delet...:
I agree with you about the prevailing myth, but just because
predictions have always ended up as myths does not mean that
it will always be result in yet another myth. But as for us
actually reaching that technology soon? I don't know, who
knows what will happen in the future for our planet. So
then in that case, I'll take that comment back. Because
soon we'll all be worrying about power, then water, and then
all of a sudden we'll all be over populated-- ow, my skin
hurts... must be the UV light... --Issues like these should
be the ones that our leaders are addressing as their top
priority. Here in america, bush's top priority is his
obtainment and foothold on the presidency, rather than being
the presidency itself.

Also, understand my tone first before you start making
comments sticking up for the "forunner's for this idealic
social nirvana" as if i were putting them down. wtf do you
think i am? so freakin' aristocrat sittin' at home all day
listen to twin? no, i'm just another joe schmo workin' hard
like the rest of you.

Anywho~~ i'm not saying you should expect some utopia in 30
years, but just realize that one day, you won't need the
goddamn keyboard under your hands to communicate your
thoughts into words... you won't need a big hunk of metal in
front of you to display windows, and you won't need speakers
to tell you that you are listening to aphex twin... our
minds, our ears, nose, eyes, skin and our goddamn tongue act
simply as a receptors of the outside world, and utilize as
input into our brains to give us a perception of the outside
world, from within.

-i've been sittin' in front of one of these goddamn
computers for the last 11 years, and I'm going blind at 20
frickin' years old. And I'll tell you, when I 40 years old,
I sure as FUCK don't plan on having to sit and watch myself
click on 'Start|Programs|Windows Explorer' then expand the
C:-Drive, then go into the windows folder, etc. etc. etc.,
--when for the past 20 YEARS i've known the exact path of
the file i want, and exactly what i want to do with that
file. why should I wait for some goddamn piece of metal?
It's all just in our heads.

Anyways, love ya! Have a nice day, plz don't get me wrong,
i love to argue, but not to fight, so let's keep this an
argument. :-)


 

delet... from .. the place that is all a tingle .. with expectation at writing a new post ... on 2001-06-01 09:56 [#00007831]



.. i love to argue too .. but not to fight .. ahahah ..
chill man .. i was using your quote .. more to get a point
across .. than as an afront .. this message stream .. was
the perfect soap box .. for the ole deleter... an .. i agree
with the technological advances .. it's a pity most
politicians haven't got the background knowledge we have on
.. even the most rudimentary green .. and future issues ..
maybe .. they'de be frightened into doing the right thing ..


 

od from perth on 2001-06-01 13:49 [#00007861]



...oh jesus christ what the fuck...
but whilst im here.....

my mantra is "sombody else bloody do it, and if they dont
then anarchism..."
i do realise thatd id probably regret it if anarchy did
happen, but is it my job to think forward? cant someone else
do it?


 

po{e} from the uk on 2001-06-01 14:00 [#00007866]



all you people piss me off, you dont do fck all for anarhy,
you say you will/do anarchsitic stuff, yet you dont, people
like you piss me off, i bet the majority of you eat from mc
donalds, use multinational companies, and buy from companies
that destroy our world, all of you SHUT YOUR GODDAM FACES UP


 

streamer on 2001-06-01 14:08 [#00007873]



po{e] - sort it out! I suppose you live in a commune and
survive in a subsistence economy, eating nothing but grass
and not using any of these global corporations. Face it,
it's the way of the world nowadays that capitalism exists
and it wouldn't be here if people weren't willing to spend
money on these corporations. Money makes the world go round,
I may not agree with it, but it's a fact. If you wanna fight
a one-boy crusade against the global economy, then good luck
- but I don't rate your chances.


 

delet... from .. i for one .. lane .. on 2001-06-01 14:12 [#00007874]



... never said nuffin' 'bout no arachy mate'ee ... noh a
sill'ee'ball .. nah .. in'tah tha anar'chee stuff .. (also
don't buy macca's .. cause they give me consterpation ; - p
.. well if they don't they should .. me prefer's sushi when
shopping for guitar strings (cause i ain't winding 'em
myself .. (sushi roll's that is ))


 

po{e} from the uk on 2001-06-01 14:17 [#00007876]



ok, first things first, I whereever possible do not shop at
these big multinationals, I shop independent places (eg for
records sister ray in london not virgin or hmv).

Money does make the world go round, but do you want to give
big companies more money so they can exploit their work
force even more, dminate mrkets and generally take over more
of the world, giving less variety to other consumers.

and shit jon or whatever, you are a fucking moron mate, get
a life and post with at least a certain degree of
legibillity


 

po{e} from the uk on 2001-06-01 14:18 [#00007877]



sorry, im so used to that anker jon, i ment to say delet

 

od from perth on 2001-06-01 14:27 [#00007883]



jeex po{e}
were joking
or not totally serious
well i am.
im just saying im lazy and i dont realy care, until some
anarchist bugger tries to make off with me TV or some shit.
actually yeah fuck anarchism they all take my TV.

 

streamer on 2001-06-01 14:29 [#00007884]



I'm all for supporting "the little man" amidst all these
mutinationals, (I'm a bit of a leftee) but basic economics
states that the bigger companies can use their large profits
to buy in bulk and pass on their savings to the consumer in
the form of cheaper products. A good thing?


 

od from perth on 2001-06-01 14:29 [#00007885]



and honestly
the people that try to avoid giving big multinationals money
are wasting their time unless they are good at organizing
massive effective lobbies.
if you cant be bothered beating them, join them. unless you
cant be bothered.


 

po{e} from the uk on 2001-06-01 14:32 [#00007887]



those big business are only interested in keeping their
shareholder happy, so their mony that they get will only be
used in making them a bigger more dominant company


 

nekta killa from in a bin on 2001-06-01 14:34 [#00007889]



i think about it like this, children are being encouraged,
at a younger and younger age all the time, to grow up not
having to think about anything at all, they are shown what
to wear, what to eat and what to listen to and ultimately
how to live. This scares me alot as if i try to express
individuality, people just either don't understand or laugh
at you. i was looking at pro(xy) s website last night and
saw his review of a night he played at, the stuff he said
fits in perfectly, you should be given the chance to express
yourself as an indivdual and if no one else likes it, then
they don't have to say anything.
i have probably mucked this up as i start off knowing
excatly what iwant to say and then waffle, but i enjoy
being who i am, mainly cos it does piss off everyone else,
and if you convert anyone along the way its a bonus, as long
as i have a mind, then i am happy :)
thats it i think.....he he

 

od from perth on 2001-06-01 14:39 [#00007893]



yeah i totally know what you mean.
i soprta go with the flow tho. i choose not to be a complete
individualist, like i look like everyone else etc...
i think true individualism is thinking in your own way and
having your own opinions


 

streamer on 2001-06-01 14:49 [#00007897]



If big companies just give their pfofits solely to their
shareholders instead of passing them onto their consumers,
then their sales will eventually decrease....... contrary to
popular belief, all people aren't stupid.


 

streamer on 2001-06-01 15:52 [#00007907]



Who wants to join me in an armed-uprising and a march on
Downing Street to reclaim the power and give it back to the
people? We could co-ordinate with our American and European
friends to form a global alliance! Who's up for it? At the
very least, it will give us something to do this weekend.


 

po{e} from the uk on 2001-06-01 17:32 [#00007914]



dick, what the hell do you think may day is about, you are a
month or so too late m8 :P


 

Rainblo from Edmonton on 2001-06-01 18:57 [#00007920]



I just don't give a fuck, would that place me under the
anarchist category?


 

Glitch from New Zealand on 2001-06-01 20:05 [#00007926]



EVERYONE IS GETTING COMPLACENT, by this I dont mean people
on this board, but the world. Everything is now designed to
pull the wool over your eyes. I hate politics, I hate having
people try and make me choose something from a list, here
you can be a Democrat, you can be a Republican, fuck all
that shit, Im me, I live, breath and hate the situation that
the world is forcing everyone into.


 

hevquip from a foxes wooden leg on 2001-06-01 20:20 [#00007931]



i look at this way: freewill vs. determinism. determinism is
winning right now. you may have your choices, but those
choices have been determined as to what they will be and who
they are for. i can never make up my mind too well, so i
enjoy it and appreciate the freedom i have. anarchism
wouldn't work in my opinion, but it isn't a bad idea to
throw the system off every once and a while. from order you
gain nothing because actions are performed in the same
manner through and through. chaos brings learning and
experience when one is forced to devise their own controls
for situations.


 

delet... from .. the pond 'ov sudden realisation .. and satisfied understandings .. on 2001-06-02 03:33 [#00007954]



.. now i know what that " { " ... in between the o and e in
your name is po{e} ... it's an L .. which makes your name ..
pole ... i i firmly believe this pole .. after having read a
few 'ov your postings .. is firmly entrenched up your arse
....

a) .. you have no sence 'ov humour .. we can't be serious
all the time ... even when considering important matters ..

b) .. your not very tolerent ... most other people would
ignore a sill'ee litle post that i make .. if they don't
like it or understand it .. but you have to make it into big
deal ... assuming that it shows how ignorent i am ..

c) .. you don't know me from a bar 'ov soap .. (nor most
'ov the other posters on this board it seems) .. to say that
"we" all aren't as informed as you on the issues .. and are
just blindly going out and contradicting ourselves .. by
going out and helping support multi-nationals .. is just
play cod's whallop ... after i had written that long post ..
on here .. as to my political leanings .. you'd figure that
you would have at least given me a little more credit ..
here's one example .. from my life to illustrate your
judgemental misgiving ... in short (we have a development
(large block 'ov multi story units) .. that we (the local
residents) have been actively fighting in court for three
and a half years .. that was going to be build right in
front 'ov the beach on basically beach protection area right
next to where turtles nest.. in this we had to fight against
.. not only the developers .. but the local council .. and
it seems .. even the state enviromental .. minister .. they
have ignored several .. planning acts and eviromental
protection acts to get this development through and it's
starting to look like we've lost .. as we haven't got the
kind 'ov money that our opposition has (the council was
footing some 'ov the bill in the developers case .. so
that's my rates going to help those ar( ; )se-wipes) to pay
for "experts" .. in court .. and layers fees .. it's all so
depressing .. even the judiciary .. were making decisions ..
that were contrary to laws they should have known about
because 'ov an entrenched anti-green .. and development 'ov
any kind is good sentiment ...)

so mate .. grow up .. get a clue .. and ffs .. get that
alignment tract cleared 'ov said pole ..


 

XePhA88 from in front of b00ba on 2001-06-02 06:43 [#00007966]



*sigh* okay, i refrain... i mean, i'd like to talk about
this, but.. ehh.. :-)


 

delet... from .. eheheh .. flats .,... on 2001-06-02 07:22 [#00007968]



.. sorr'ee to get all 'ev'ee on the message stream kid's ..
but i never take a poorly defined insult lieing down .. ; -
] ..


 

[REFLEX] from Western Canada on 2001-06-02 07:33 [#00007969]



Id Lab: Just a thought going out to ID LAB, I got to see Id
Lab in my city last weekend. good stuff.. I think. I was
drunk, but it was cool.


 

M from Fraggle Rock on 2001-06-02 08:54 [#00007972]



I've read a lot, mostly to entertain my brain, even though
it's pointless to accumulate recorded knowledge, since
you'll die someday anyway and it will all be deleted right
out of your head. I tend to avoid any topics that are
related to the insanity of man's systems, but indirectly, in
everything else I've read, I've found man is very very evil.


 

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