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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-02-12 13:02 [#00552425]
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UGH
i'm glad my friend lent daylight to me and i didnt pay for it, this shit sucks! annoying as hell, i can't believe anyone likes this shit
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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2003-02-12 14:58 [#00552638]
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do you like any other hiphop then?
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-02-12 15:09 [#00552657]
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Aesop Rock is unbeleivable. He is amazing. He is one of the best lyricists to ever grace the mic. If you listen to the words, he is one of the cleverest wordsmiths of the last decade.
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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2003-02-12 15:23 [#00552672]
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I agree, I was just wondering whether he likes any hiphop. do you have float?
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-02-12 15:24 [#00552676]
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i have to agree. he's probably the most talented white rapper after eminem, and he certainly trumps eminem in diversity of subject matter. then again, aesop rock is shit in comparison to most of the other hip-hop i listen to.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-02-12 15:26 [#00552681]
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I have got everything he has done including music for earthworms, float, appleseed etc.
titsworth, if he is shit compared to most of the other hiphop you listen to, hit me up with some of what you are listening to.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-02-12 15:28 [#00552684]
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oh and by the way I actually think Copywrite is a better rapper than Aesop, and possibly Eminem if we are talking about white boys.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-02-12 15:31 [#00552690]
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well, lately i've been listening to black star (mos def+talib kweli).
i just can't stand listening to aesop. his voice is annoying and imo his delivery is shit
i'm not trying to be an expert at hip hop (that title is taken by tits :P) but i know what i like, and i definately do NOT like aesop
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-02-12 15:33 [#00552695]
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i have time and again mentioned who i listened to, but here are just some rappers who i think are better than aesop rock (besides eminem, who i mentioned cos he's also WAT: White And Talented, haha), in no particular order:
black thought talib kweli j-live dead prez (both members) mos def common andre 3000 rakim kool g rap nas pharoahe monch gift of gab ghostface gza q-tip del saul williams guru jay-z (that's GOT to sting, huh?) kool keith scarface skillz grand puba
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-02-12 15:34 [#00552698]
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Fair enough, I suppose Aesop is an aquired taste. The Black Star stuff is amazing.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-02-12 15:36 [#00552703]
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aesop has a cool voice.. it's not completely nerdy, it definitely has some rawness and strength to it. i think his delivery's really creative too. not many rappers can do cynicism the way he does it.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-02-12 15:36 [#00552704]
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I'd agree with maybe half of them being better than Aesop, less than half being better than Eminem.
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-02-12 15:39 [#00552712]
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wait a minute, how do you get jay z above aesop? fluid delivery yes, but don't you think he's kinda of boring in subject?
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-02-12 15:40 [#00552714]
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it's just the line "life isn't a bitch, life is a beautiful woman, you just call her a bitch cause she won't let you get that pussy" makes me want to toss the disc in the fire place
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-02-12 15:40 [#00552716]
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in all hosenty, i haven't hears a jayz tune that didn't suck imo. subjective i guess.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-02-12 15:41 [#00552721]
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But it is an excellent metaphore...
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-02-12 15:42 [#00552723]
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i like that line.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-02-12 15:43 [#00552724]
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i mean, if i had one
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-02-12 15:43 [#00552725]
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it's actually not that good of a metaphor. it's accurate, but also totally crass, morose, and mundane. he could've done better; i dunno why so many people quote that line, i guess they just think it's cool someone said "pussy" in a song.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-02-12 15:44 [#00552727]
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jay-z's a better rapper than aesop rock, aesop's a far superior lyricist. i trust you two to understand the difference.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-02-12 15:48 [#00552732]
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titsworth you become a condesending prick when it comes to hiphop. :)
I have probably listened to as much, maybe even ***GASPS FOR BREATH*** more than you. I know what I like and I don't need to be preached to by you or anyone.
I didn't actually quote the line in question, and it wouldn't actually be one of my first choices for quotes because I prefer his early work, before the El-P treatment.
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-02-12 15:50 [#00552737]
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i judge them as overall artists. jayz is horribly uninspiring, aesop's music has something to feel.
i don't think the life bitch pussy line is that good either, i just don't mind it and can't see how it would make one want to burn the disc.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-02-12 15:51 [#00552740]
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a fire place
not a pussy
i hate that word, which is probably why i don't like the song. i really don't think it's that clever.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-02-12 15:51 [#00552741]
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first of all, you asked me to elaborate on the subject. if you didn't want me to state my beliefs you shouldn't have asked...
secondly, i didn't say anything about your taste in music or say you brought up the quote, i just don't think it's a very good one (it's the one everyone brings up). i guess when i say it's a morose quote i'm saying i don't really agree with it fully, so instead of an "accurate" metaphor i just see his point.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-02-12 15:54 [#00552745]
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see! i'm not the only one!
i didn't even read the other posts before i said that either...
pussy doesn't rhyme with much anyways... wussy... thats about it.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-02-12 15:55 [#00552747]
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Chino XL is better than Aesop Rock...I like Chino XL.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-02-12 15:55 [#00552748]
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cos it's not a clever line.. it's one of those cringeworthy lines jay-z would say.
on the other hand, jay-z's a much more creative rapper in technical terms, not subject matter. he may not be a poet but he's introduced so many different elements to hip-hop it's not even funny*. for specifics i refer back to the last time i talked about jay-z on this board.
*it's also not even funny how many times he's ripped off biggie, tupac, snoop, and all kinds of rappers from the 80s. then again, aesop isn't entirely innocent of this either (he just picks different source material).
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-02-12 15:57 [#00552758]
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Ras Kass also. I like him. Soul On Ice most slept on album ever, in my opinion of course.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-02-12 16:00 [#00552764]
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my list was just what i could think of at the top of my head.. there are so many rappers, the list of who are "better" (bullshit terminology, but it's my fault for saying aesop is "shit in comparison" to some of the stuff i listen to) could go on for pages and pages...
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-02-12 16:03 [#00552767]
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you guys just wait till i write my own hip hop (and produce it to boot)
i mean, it won't be great, and whether you like it or not you'll STILL have to wait
i've been writing :D
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-02-12 16:04 [#00552768]
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heh, it was the "shit in comparison" that got me mad. I like the diversity of the hiphop culture and everything it brings.
There are very few rappers that I can honestly say I think are totally out and out shit. The one that always springs to mind first is Superhb(?) the Wu Affiliate.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-02-12 16:05 [#00552769]
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*recommends you listen to nas' "book of rhymes"*
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-02-12 16:06 [#00552770]
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people should know by now that when i speak in extreme terms it's just for effect.. not the effect of getting someone mad, of course, just to make 'em think.. still working out the kinks in that method though ;)
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-02-12 16:10 [#00552773]
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now i gotta buy ANOTHER hip hop album? :P
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-02-12 16:11 [#00552777]
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no don't buy it... god's son is overrated.. just download the song. it's not a good song, especially by nas standards, it's just kind of funny.
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Clipper
from in a cave with my two friends (United States) on 2003-02-12 16:12 [#00552778]
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jeez titsworth...you're like REALLY smart
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-02-12 16:13 [#00552779]
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i'm really smart and you're a KNOW-NOTHING!!!!!!! :p
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Clipper
from in a cave with my two friends (United States) on 2003-02-12 16:15 [#00552781]
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i sure do like anticon...i think hip hop hasn't really changed much since tribe and de la and shtoff...but anticon is soooo different 'it's not even funny'
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-02-12 16:16 [#00552784]
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is that supposed to be me or you?
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Clipper
from in a cave with my two friends (United States) on 2003-02-12 16:17 [#00552785]
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'it's THEM...with their baby feet and humming birds and milky ways...'
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Clipper
from in a cave with my two friends (United States) on 2003-02-12 16:18 [#00552786]
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is what 'supposed to be me or you'?
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-02-12 16:20 [#00552789]
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"i sure do like anticon...i think hip hop hasn't really changed much since tribe and de la and shtoff...but anticon is soooo different 'it's not even funny'"
i'll play along but i honestly couldn't figure out if that was supposed to be playing up me or you... i don't listen to any anticon and my favorite hip-hop music is in the present, so if that was supposed to be me it'd be inaccurate but an understandable mistake (since anticon is for the pretentious crowd), but it could also be you poking fun at yourself for how you feel..
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Clipper
from in a cave with my two friends (United States) on 2003-02-12 16:22 [#00552791]
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i was actually just referring to how much i hate george w. bush...i think maybe you read into it a little too much
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-02-12 16:36 [#00552799]
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RoyGBivCore: i'm going in the basement! RoyGBivCore: to create the illest thing ever
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-02-12 16:58 [#00552810]
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it wasn't the illest thing ever :/ but it was alright
7 minutes of scratching a bill cosby record over a simple beat i "programmed" on my drum machine
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-02-12 17:05 [#00552815]
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time stands still when you do shit like that
for real
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2003-02-13 01:07 [#00553155]
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haha, did you really do that? love is what makes the world go round.
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-02-13 03:13 [#00553238]
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Anybody mentioned cannibal ox yet?
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theo himself
from +- on 2003-02-13 03:15 [#00553239]
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I think aesop rock is black, no? I never really explored his music
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theo himself
from +- on 2003-02-13 03:16 [#00553240]
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and I second jay-z as being a talented rapper AND lyricist let's not forget 'reasonable doubt'
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