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With all this talk of the looming war with Iraq...how many of you would actually go to war for your countries, and to what lengths would you go to, to avoid it? |
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ah jez not anothern... |
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Fake an illness. :) |
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Wouldn't even consider it... |
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move to canada asap - if they wanted me to go fuck america |
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i wouldnt... |
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I'd refuse point blank to go. I wouldn't care if they shot me for cowardice. I think the idea of a "draft" is barbaric. There won't be a draft though. One of the advantages of nuclear war and bombing is minimising the numbers of troops needed to 1000s of proffesionals rather than all men of fighting age. |
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They should leave it to the SAS instead of killing innocent civilians. :( |
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Don't you be too sure.....muhahahahaha!!! (says he, who is past the age to be drafted!!) |
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I would definitely not go... the entire concept is ridiculous. (why should i feel proud for being born within these imaginary borders we call the netherlands, let alone feel the urge to defend it). Nowadays the army is 100% voluntarely, but a couple of years ago every 18 year old boy had to have military training. I would have refused that. I think you had to serve some time in jail if you refused. But i honestly would rather go to jail than to join the army. I just cannot imagine myself going to war and killing some other soldier :-/ That's just wrong, no matter what. I wouldn't ever do it. |
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You are all pussies. Honestly, Your country fights day and night to keep the peace and withold the freedom. People are always attempting to take that away from us. I cannot beleive that none of you would even consider fighting for your country, fighting for your freedom, fighting for the freedom of others. What about WWII? If your European country was being taken over by Germany or whomever, then would you fight? The enemy was taking over your city, you have no place to go. Would you fight? Sounds to me like yall are a bunch of hippies. War is part of human nature. It cannot be stopped, it cannot be defeated. The world will never be perfect, so we must fight to hold on to what little we have. |
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If it was necessary I guess Id have to. If not, fuck it. |
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We have a Marine living on our couch, as he has been activated and is awaiting orders I live with anothe Marine, same unit, that is in the same position. My best buddy should be shipping out in a few days. THAT'S shitty. Would I go? If I was drafted, of course. Sorry kids, that's part of living in this country. I'd honestly hope for a desk job, I don't want to die, but I'm not going to back down when my country ask something of me. |
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"What about WWII? If your European country was being taken over by Germany or whomever, then would you fight? The enemy was taking over your city, you have no place to go. Would you fight?" No, I'd be dead in 3 seconds if I did that... we only had about 2 tanks during WW2. |
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lol still, if your country drafts you, I mean, wtf, no matter what the argument is over, isn't it part of your argreement living there that you will fight if they ask? I don't want to get drafted, 2 tanks or 2million on our side, but if I do, I'm going with my head high |
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there are some wars in which, if called upon, I would fight. like ww2. DEFINATELY not vietnam for obvious reasons. and definately not 2003's war which I like to call "flirting with needless apocalyptic obliteration via biochemical and nuclear warfare at the hands of the son of a psychotic dictator (bush) over some fucking oil ..war" or "episode II: clone of the attack" (you've probably seen that website) if I were drafted, which they don't do now.. but if I were, (and hoping I am just to do this;) I would ejaculate onto the draft file they sent me, send it back to them with a message attached: "Here, I saved you the trouble: a few hundred million dead children. now breathe easy" becaaaause, of course the us sends our youth to fight the war (many because they have no other choices in terms of their future because of financial trouble etc.) and we'd be fighting against unwilling, forced-into-servitude 15 year olds looking confused with AK's strapped to them*.. so a bunch of actual children fight for a bunch of much older children with grudges based on the need to protect their respective investments/ambitions.. * I have pictures |
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and Ceri.. in advance I want it to be clear that I meant no offense by that whole thing about the dead sperm cells ..I know, all life is precious even those that have no chance of beginning |
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"Here, I saved you the trouble: a few hundred million dead children. now breathe easy" that is pretty fucking witty, I like |
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if I don't agree with the arguments then I wouldn't go. The government doesn't own me. And just because I live here doesn't mean they can do everything they like with me. No I take their point into consideration and then decide for myself if it's really needed to fight or not. |
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At least we agree on the idea of being drafted, eh? ;) Elusive: I have no problem with people defending the country- as I've said before I have a lot of mates in the forces... I have a problem with being forced to join the army or anything for that matter. Even if I agreed that a war had to be fought I would prefer to volunteer. |
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I would never fight for my country ! War is pointless ! |
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i see what you mean, but in America at least, that is kinda, "part of the contract" if you will. Living here means you have to do a few things, including pay taxes, blah blah, and one of those things is registar for the "Selective Services" aka: draft council. That is just part of the deal. I have certain rights according to our constitution, but if the country asks me to go to war for them, that's part of the bargain. Before you call me a mindless cog, I think you'll find many other people simply jumping on the "whatever, I don't agree with the war so fuck all I'm dodging" bandwagon. Those are the cogs |
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what happens when war is innevitable? ------ it sounds like I'm a bit military guy who wants to go bomb people, which is not true, I just think this side of the argument is under represented here. |
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*sniff.. my pops is frtench and was drafted for the Algerian war. He refused to bear arms and got posted to pick up dead bodies instead... but he never killed another human being. it´s something i am proud of even though he´s a lazy hippy cunt who was nver there for me. i would kick ass if my freedom was being threathened though but wouldn´t kill for capitalist reasons like the yanks are about to |
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i dont fucking care shut this thread down |
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Hey the us probably sold them the very guns that would shoot you down ,its all pretty fucked up.BUT....i to would kick ass if my freedom was being threatened.fuck em let them keep there fucking dirty oil its time to go green anyway! |
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Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. -Herman Göring |
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The Germans attacked a peopple based on religion, while many Americans are now anti-Islam for shit reasons, this is not a relgious war, so the parallels are limited. ----------- his name is Herman Goering, btw (how it's spelled at least, I don't know how you would pronounce with with umlats over the o |
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i would not volunteer to go, but if drafted i would serve my country.. i just dont see myself as a soldier |
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this thread is funny. |
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Stand up straight solider!!! LOL!! |
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However, Id love to become a Jedi ! |
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Sorry, you just don't have the crudentials! |
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latest news on cnn President Bush says Saddam authorized commanders to use chemical weapons and the U.S. "will not wait" for Iraq to unleash such attacks |
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Is that on now? |
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you have done this before Jedi T1000..are memory circuits fraging a bit? |
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Have I?? Shit....time for a full service....shit! :) |
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yeah watch it before you become Jedi R2D2 okay:p |
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hmm, i dont know i never watch tv i received this news in my email... |
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dear oh dear more of Bush's rhetoric...regurgitated...pity I think its time for the US citizens to stop paying taxes to support US aid to "liberating the world of stupid notions like freedom to choose their own leaderships" As Noam Chomsky muses in the Chomsky Reader: It is interesting to inquire into the relation between human rights violation and U.S. aid and support...there does,in fact appear to be a correlation....the increase in torture, death squads, destruction of unions, elimination of democratic institutions, decline of living standards for much of the population etc...hence the improvement of the investment climate as measured guaranteed foreign capital....the climate for business operations improves as unions and other popular organisations are destroyed, dissendents are tortured or eliminated, real wages are depressed and society as a whole is placed into the hands of a collection of thugs who are willing to sell out to the foriegner for a share of the loot - often too a large a share a business regularly complains...the society is welcomed into the Free World and offered the specific kind of "aid" that will further these economic developments...eg export crops produced for export by wealthy landowners or transnational agribusiness while the population starves... What has Iraq got...sanctions, no medicines, a starving population with the US attempting to stop the Food for Oil program, little capacity to defend itself from the warmongering imperalist aggressors.. If I had choice and could afford to do so I would be joining the human shield if this weak, manufactured consent, overriding UN laws goes ahead....to WAR |
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I HATE warr, i would hate to kill someone in the name of my countrry, but at the same time i think forr surre that the soonerr we have killed Sadam the betterr, i just don't want to go and bomb a place and kill a bunch of people who trruly don't want to be fighting themselves. i'm a hypocrrite, and i know it. |
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yesterday when US was presenting evidence of iraqi weapons, they mentioned slovenia-apperantly iraq made some contacts with slovenian companies about purchasing some magnets our reporters went to ask these companies if iraq really made any contacts with them, and they all denied that-they all seem really trustworthy... but, US have evidence-how can you fight that... |
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Germany keeps coming up here...The US have given asluym to many Nazi war criminals, and their spoils of war was a major contribtion to the US weapons development program, the mental health infrastruture and many of these death merchants retired in style without having to answer to the Nurenberg trials... Then what about Palestine and the US sponsered Isareli aggression in the unoccupied areas in the Gaza Strip...i.e pregant women are stopped at check points when due to have babies and made to have their babies there causing them a lot of pain and humilation. |
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some germans were really upset, when they were mentioned as not cooperative together with libia and cuba :) germany-libia-cuba how cool is this hehehe |
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The same could be said for Bush and his advisors Dick Cheney, Richard Perle, Colin Powell... From the New Nuclear Danger: IN 1990, SHORTLY before he invaded Kuwait—which had been drilling oil beneath Iraq's border and selling it at a steep discount—President Saddam Hussein of Iraq approached the U.S. ambassador, April Glaspie, about his plan, and she indicated that the U.S. had no defense treaties or security commitments to Kuwait. In a subsequent face-to-face meeting with Glaspie, Hussein told her that Iraq was in dire economic straits, and the low oil price induced by Kuwait's and the United Arab Emirates' overproduction was hurting them badly. She told Hussein that Iraq had "a right to prosper"; and Glaspie continued, "I know you need funds. We understand that, and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait."' (Subsequently Glaspie lied about this conversation when she testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee: "I told him orally we would defend our vital interests, we would support our friends in the Gulf, we would defend their sovereignty and integrity") The U.S. response when Iraq invaded Kuwait belied Glaspie's reassurances. Contrary to Glaspie's "no opinion on the Arab-Arab con-^ts, the U.S. staged a military operation on Kuwait's behalf that that had been planned for months and amounted to a veritable arms bazaar for U.S. weapons manufacturers. Eighty-eight thousand, five •hundred tons of bombs (the equivalent of more than seven Hiroshirnas) were dropped on Iraq and Kuwait (fewer than 7 percent of e weapons used were "smart"; most were old fashioned "dumb" bombs) and 70 % of these did not hit military targets but fell on civilians. |
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tolstoyed its manufactured propoganda...its an attempt to manufacture consent regardless whether its granted or not...Bush's adminstration and Blair will do their darnest to go ahead, watch and see the threats that Bush is making..I watched the Colin Powell address and I saw a few of the UN members fidgeting, and one or two of them looked like they wanted to punch him one :) |
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:) |
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hehe, but i belive there's more people buying that propaganda than those that oppose it our fuc.... governament included |
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i have to be honest why would anybody be enough of a dumb fuck to fight a war for a middle class (suppossed labour polition) lapdog in a suit and a red neck idiot with a shotgun and a army of farmer a cabinet. the suvalence photos i saw today could anything this a load of bull shit angst for 9/11 and the fact that bushes dad let sadamm go 10yrs ago |
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yes lets sit around and do nothing until something devastating happens yes that is the way to do things in life unfortunetely, THINGS ARE A TAD MORE COMPLICATED kthx go hide inthe corner |
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