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make sure your speakers are turned up.. |
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what about a working link? |
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that didn't work? http://www.brookwoodfootball.org/ac130.cfm |
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That was plain sick. Those guys must think they're playing a videogame. What the hell is that footage doing on that site anyway. Do the kids there enjoy watching that? |
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I don't know anything about the site that's hosting it. it came to my attention thru the howard stern show this morning. he called it the 'feel good movie of the season'... |
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I can't view it. Can someone describe it to me? I take it that its footage of a bombing raid? |
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yeah, it shows an infrared film of a bombing raid, you see lots of people running for their lives after heavy explosions around a mosque, some guy saying "boom bang!" everytime they got somebody. The crosshair follows people running away from the bombscene and then they get smothered in a rain of firy explosions. They are actually trying their best to annihilate every single person at the scene, spending at times up to 5 bombs on one running person. I guess it's more easy to do when you're up in the air watching it from a infrared video camera as it makes it all look a bit more unreal, more like a videogame. |
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btw you just have to be patient, it takes a while to load. First it loads a page with two pictures, one of the unmanned plane, probably used for targeting, and the other one which is supposed to be the actual bomber plane. On the bottom left is where the vid will appear after a while. |
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Cheers. I can't download the software to view as they put a block on it here in work. Bastards! But its totally real right? |
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yeah it's real. did you notice how in the beginning they were given orders not to "engage" the mosque and did a good job of avoiding it until the firestorm at the end, when they finally decided, hey, why shouldn't the mosque get blown the fuck up too? I guess they got a little trigger-happy, trying to blow up (literally) everything that moved, or tried desperately to escape in a truck. it all seems a bit excessive until you realize what this is in retaliation for |
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yeah that one guy was going BOOM BANG all the time. I guess alot of US people will find this stuff gratifying which in turn makes me sick to my stomach. This footage combined with 9/11 clearly shows how little is achieved by such actions, and how much is lost. |
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"it all seems a bit excessive until you realize what this is in retaliation for" What do you mean? |
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so what do you mean theo? |
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I think I know what he's getting at. |
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okay time for some olde cutty and pasty Some of the conventional weapons America used to support the Northern Alliance during their advances on the Taliban were so powerful that they are described by the Pentagon as "near nuclear" weapons. They are as follows: 15,000-POUND FUEL AIR EXPLOSIVES (FAEs): In military jargon these are referred to as "Daisy Cutters." The Foreign Military Studies Office at Fort Leavenworth says "A fuel air explosive can have the effect of a tactical nuclear weapon without the radiation."7 There are many different varieties of FAEs, but they typically consist of a container of fuel and two separate explosive charges. Dropped by parachute from a huge MC-130 Combat Talon plane, they detonate just above the ground, creating a wide area of destruction.8 The first explosion bursts the container at a predetermined height, disbursing the fuel, which mixes with atmospheric oxygen. The second charge then detonates this fuel-air cloud, creating a massive blast that kills people and destroys unreinforced buildings. Near the ignition point peopleare obliterated, crushed to death with overpressures of 427 pounds per square inch, and incinerated at temperatures of 2500 to 5000 degrees centigrade. Another wave of low pressure—a vacuum effect—then ensues. People in the second zone of destruction are severely burned and suffer massive internal organ injuries before they die. In the third zone, eyes are extruded from their orbits, lungs and ear drums rupture, and severe concussion ensues. The fuel itself—ethylene oxide and propylene oxide—is highly toxic." Up to 300 civilians died 20 miles away from the cave complex in Afghanistan where Osama bin Laden was thought to be hiding at Tora Bora when U.S. planes attacked. They suffered blast trauma— ruptured lungs, blindness, arms and hands blown off, almost certainly from FAEs |
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CLUSTER BOMBS: These have been used extensively in Afghanistan by the U.S. Terrifying and deadly, each bomb is composed of 202 bomblets, which are packed with razor-sharp shrapnel dispersed at super-high speed over an area of 22 football fields, ripping into human bodies. These weapons are prohibited by the Geneva Protocol." Civilians were inevitably killed throughout Afghanistan by these illegal and dreadful weapons. On one documented occasion, the U.S. bombed a mosque in Jalabad during prayer and while neighbors were digging out 17 victims, additional bombs killed more than 120 people.'2 Historically, between 5 and 50 percent of these bomblets fail to explode initially, lying around the countryside as mines that explode with violent force if touched, tearing their victims to pieces. Tragically, the bomblets are colored yellow and shaped like a can of soft drink, and therefore attractive to children.15 The food parcels containing peanut butter, Pop Tarts, rice, and potatoes dropped throughout Afghanistan by the U.S. are also yellow and the same size and shape as the munitions. (Some of these food drops themselves went astray, destroying houses and killing more people.14) Human Rights Watch estimates that over 5000 unexploded cluster bomblets may be littered across Afghanistan, adding to the hundreds of thousands of mines left after the Russian—American war of 1979 to 1989.'5 Afghanistan is currently the most heavily mined country in the world |
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GUN SHIPS: These lumbering 6-150 planes built by Lockheed Martin have been converted to airborne gunships, capable of firing a fearsome array of weapons, inflicting the most devastating damage, and leveling an area of several football fields, with up to 2000 rounds per minute. They are armed with 25mm Gattling guns, which fire 1800 rounds per minute; 4omm Bofors cannons, which fire 120 rounds per minute; and io5rmn Howitzer cannons, which fire 8 to 10 rounds per minute.'f) Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld said Afghanistan is not a "target rich" area, and many analysts felt that these attacks far exceeded their expectations. On October 22nd, in the village of Chowkar-Karez, scores of civilians were mown down by these gun-ships. CNN quoted an "unnamed" Pentagon official as saying "The people are dead because we wanted them dead." '7 Almost certainly, many civilians therefore were wounded and killed. '"• '9 BUNKER BUSTERS: Dropped from B-i or B-2 planes, these 5000-pound behemoths are made from the gun barrels of retired naval ships and are so heavy that they burrow 20 to 100 feet into the ground before their high explosive materials detonate. Most are laser guided, but some use Global Positioning satellites for guidance.20 |
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CARPET BOMBING: This means dropping tons of bombs from B-52 planes at a 40,000-foot altitude: high enough to protect pilots but too high to protect civilians. This is indiscriminate bombing, and the pilots have no idea on whom their bombs are landing. In 1969 carpet bombing used in Cambodia by Kissinger and Nixon during the Vietnam War induced the total destruction of the ancient irrigation system and water supply and most of the rice-growing areas of the country and, as a secondary effect, caused the absolute disintegration of Cambodia's culture. The bombing runs were called "breakfast," "lunch," and "supper."21 |
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just to let you know what ,what looks like a video game, is actually doing |
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Linnk is broken !? |
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I'm still curious as to what Theo was getting at. |
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well NYPD and FDNY scrawled on bombs..does that ring a bell? |
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You don't get it. I know what he's aiming at but I'd like to hear Theo himself explain it as it appears he's quite amused by the imagery. |
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I willing to cut him some slack..his reasoning is a bit muddled sometimes..but I have read some major anti war rants from him too so I know his heart's in the right place.. |
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Brutal, yes. Who doubts they would be used by the taliban if they had the technology to use them? flea, since its okay time for some pasties, lets not forget to cite the olde cutty sources... Let's keep free speech solid. |
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sorry.. The New Nuclear Danger by Dr. Helen Coldicott *Who doubts they would be used by the taliban if they had the technology to use them?* You are confusing Taliban with AlQaeda mistake easily made since the propaganda of the media made certain that two become indistinguishable.. If you mean that Taliban would be going on bombing raids in America?Doubtful....Taliban's concerns were entirely local.. |
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i've heard her speak...i liked her- she's rough... she equated drinking coke to consuming dirty water that helped oppress millions. 'Taliban's concerns were entirely local.. ' Predominantly Afghanistan? Yes. Taliban in Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia? Bin Laden Is a Wahhabi, no? with allies in Egypt, suicide bombers in Israel, in Syria and Iraq, who openly promote violent acts. where does local end? I didn't see the footage- wasn't referning to any specific incident. U.S. is warlike, for sure. We are no different in that respect, just better at it. Our system for oppression is much more subtle and sugar-coated. But the vibe of American 'evilness' that runs rampant on this website is sometimes amusing. Are we really warlords, conquering merely for booty? |
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wow that sounds horrible..... ...the link wont work for me? it doens't prompt me about software either.. ...what program do i need? |
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America's reason for invading Iraq is laughable tho. Ooooh, we found one warhead, let's invade this threat to the world! Who has the world's biggest arsenal of wicked stuff, being either biochemical, nuclear or conventional weaponry? The one who's pointing the finger at others! |
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Here's what Bush has to say, . |
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once again you are confusing Taliban with AlQaeda.. AlQaeda is the international terrorist ring.. Taliban is the previous Afghan govt. Bin Laden is the leader of AlQaeda..not Taliban. Mullah Omar is the leaderof Taliban and is NOT a member of AlQaeda. |
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Want to see how propoganda works...and history is changed with a few clicks of the button...I am reproducing a BBC article dated 20th September about diplomatic efforts made by the Taliban to the US...the same photo is used on both articles...the contents of the article is changed totally, read the article here then follow the link for the new version... BBC Thursday 20th September 2001 Taleban demand proof on Bin Laden The Taleban call Bin Laden their guest The leader of Afghanistan's Taleban regime has said Osama Bin Laden - the chief suspect in the attacks on New York and Washington last week - will not be extradited without evidence. We assure the whole world that neither Osama nor anyone else can use Afghan territory against anyone Mullah Mohammad Omar told hundreds of the country's Islamic clerics that Bin Laden did not have the communications links or resources to organise the attacks - and the US should search for what he called the real culprits. However, Mullah Omar also reportedly said he was ready to hold talks with the US on the issue. This offer was bluntly dismissed by the Americans. "The president's message to the Taleban is very simple - it's time for action not negotiations," White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said. Mullah Omar has accused Washington of using the allegations against Bin Laden as a pretext to attack the Taleban. The Americans have threatened to attack if the Taleban allow him to remain in Afghanistan. Mullah Mohammad Omar:We assure the whole world that neither Osama nor anyone else can use Afghan territory against anyone |
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href"http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1550366.st |
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x-tomatic, what do you want to know exactly? |
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What we wnat to know is what you meant by this ? "it all seems a bit excessive until you realize what this is in retaliation for" |
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howard stern is the leading radio dj in all us markets including 15 major cities. he advertised that website (which I'm guessing is too small to handle heavy traffic) and it became too overrun to keep up.. I think it might've been shut down.. if u didn't see it, here's another link: http://www.military.com/newscontent?file=fl_video_121802 or http://vampirebat.com/obeythefist |
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"it all seems a bit excessive until you realize what this is in retaliation for" some of you might remember a little sucker-punch thrown in the direction of a few thousand new yorkers in october of 2001. ..or maybe it was september.. wait, yeah. it was september.. the 10th I believe, though I could be wrong.. wait no that sounds off... hmm.. september 11th? yeah that rings a bell.. 9/11 right.. it was september 11th. and I think I remember two major US cities being attacked, the epicenter of world commerce and finance being reduced to dust and and some military complex that was the stronghold of military intelligence for our country.. I think it's called the hexagon or something like that.. I don't remember though, it wasn't that big of a news story. this bombing was part of a war effort. the targets of it were soldiers part of an organization whose objective was to end the lives of americans simply for being american, and destroy the societal foundation of america. this is what happens in war, you kill or be killed. in this case, we were killing and the afghanis were being killed. we were bombing our enemies, not civilians. this was done in retaliation for them killing american civilians whom they regarded as non-believers/infidels/devils simply for owning an SUV and a nokia. and I dont know what flea means by reasoning being 'muddled.' my reasoning is never confused/unclear. this is a text-only forum so I can see my POSTS sometimes coming off a bit vague or maybe even confusing, but never the reasoning behind them. what does get muddled may be one's interpretation of what I say, not my reasoning. |
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Oh Christ. Do we have to go through this again? The War on Terror was not a response to 9/11; the attacks on the WTC were not because they hate Americans for no reason; the US/UK killed more people than the 9/11... Stop swallowing your governments propaganda and WAKE UP! |
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"this bombing was part of a war effort. the targets of it were soldiers part of an organization whose objective was to end the lives of americans simply for being american" No. The soldiers were part of an organisation whose objective was to defend their country against an attack that was being launched on them simply for refusing to hand over Bin Laden without being presented with any evidence of his involvement in the WTC/Pentagon attacks. |
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yeah. "the soldiers were part of an organization whose objective was to defend their country against an attack that was being launched on them after they..." ATTACKED america, or knew of the attack, or helped orchestrate the attack. they didn't hand over bin laden (and were protecting him) after it was known the world over that he had everything to do with the 9/11 attack. this was after bin laden was seen on tape exclaiming his shock at how devastating the attacks actually were because, based on "test runs" it was estimated that the buildings wouldn't collapse either way, the possibilty that bin laden's involvement was unconfirmed at the time of those retaliatory bombings is completely irrelevant. the truth is he WAS involved in every way. so why are you sympathizing with these fucking people like they're mother theresas with turbans and prayer rugs there wouldn't be a "war on terror" (which, as david cross pointed out, is like having a "war on jealousy") if there wasnt 9/11. and if it wasnt september 11th, 2001 but rather april 3rd, 2005, there would be a "war on terror" soon to follow. no question. 9/11 was the catalyst for the war on terror and that's the end of that. yes the us have killed more people than we lost in 9/11, but that is because we've been involved in more wars defending ourselves AND EVERY OTHER COUNTRY LOOKING FOR HAND-OUTS FROM US, so our kill total would HAVE to be higher than most other countries.. furthermore, given that these were done in the defense of others, or ourselves, it's far more justifiable than killing because of a brainwashed, blind adherence to religious dogma and jonesy, don't insult me. stop swallowing my government's propaganda!!? why don't you swallow my dick and a cumshot. I'm the last person to buy into american propaganda, especially this year's, which can be likened to high school 'he-said, she-said' gossip. why don't you stop FORCING consistant anti-american propaganda. it's sad, really. are you saying we should have just l |
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...should have just layed down after they took out the trade center? what the fuck do you expect us to do?!!.. we did what we had to, got the taliban and al-queda out of there, and they now have a better, (I didnt say GOOD) BETTER situation then before,.. and some pop tarts. is this what I should anticipate by starting a thread like this? constant feeble bad-mouthing of america at every turn? "the attacks on the WTC were not because they hate Americans for no GOOD reason" ..is that what you meant? and when did I ever say I was "amused by the imagery"? I was simply detailing what was shown in that video to those who couldnt view it.. I never said any "I like the way..." or "isn't it AWESOME when..." kind of statements.. so I dont know what you're talking about |
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1. The Taliban offered to hand Bin Laden over to be tried in a court. the US said "no, we're gonna bomb you" 2. An invasion/bombing campaign in Afghanistan was planned BEFORE 9/11 3. You show yourself to be deeply ignorant of the facts, and islamaphobic to boot. 4. I'd suck your dick if it wasn't up your daddy's 24/7 |
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Quite why we're supposed to have unlimited sympathy for the 9/11 victims and joy at the US' murder rate of those abroad is quite beyond me. It stinks of racism. |
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yeah i saw that footage on stileproject a month or so back.. was a little extream.. has some great media cutup movies and they have some old movies too : ) "It is a well-known and widely accepted fact that, during wartime, news companies and governmental representatives fuse their voices together into one univocal beam of support for the national military objective. And, while, for many, this is a vital aspect of institutional patriotism, it is also a very dangerous and troubling reality. For, if the news media have abandoned their responsibility to objectively inform the population, then our concept of a democracy (which is founded on the ability for all citizens to choose their nation's destiny based on a full spectrum of information) is in desperate peril. But imagine a mediascape in which politicians actually said what they meant and meant what they said. One where the talking heads on broadcast news actually challenged the powerful interests in Washington not with fangless sensationalism, but with insightful deconstructions of true power and its manipulations. We can't. At least, not in the current corporate controlled environment of media ownership. And especially not with the so-called War on Terrorism and its burgeoning McCarthyistic clampdown on open displays of dissent." So, in the face of our media's shameless propaganda campaign, we have taken it upon ourselves to intuit what the intentions and goals of this war truly are. In what is surely a departure from our traditional NewsVideo format, GNN presents S-11 Redux: (Channel) Surfing the Apocalypse. Culled from over 20 hours of television footage recorded over a one month period and across 13 networks, S-11 Redux is a sound-bite blitzkrieg that challenges the messages we have been fed from our mainstream media and |
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So, in the face of our media's shameless propaganda campaign, we have taken it upon ourselves to intuit what the intentions and goals of this war truly are. In what is surely a departure from our traditional NewsVideo format, GNN presents S-11 Redux: (Channel) Surfing the Apocalypse. Culled from over 20 hours of television footage recorded over a one month period and across 13 networks, S-11 Redux is a sound-bite blitzkrieg that challenges the messages we have been fed from our mainstream media and the government it serves. Be warned - this video moves quickly and will require at least two viewings to digest its full impact. You may never be able to look at S-11 and its post-impact coverage the same way, ever again. |
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that's it. when you have unfounded information to counter an argument, it's probably better to resort to calling someone a racist (!?) and an islamaphobe- you fucking idiot. what, other than nothing, gave my supposed 'islamaphobia' away? I'm not against the "religious dogma" of islam, but rather the damaging effects following it so strictly, like the radical fundamentalists involved w/9/11.. and who said anything about being proud of a kill rate for the US? I was merely explaining it is justifiable, proportionally, in times of war. guess what: no one lays down in war, they fight. and when we fight, people die. that's how it works. |
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"The Taliban offered to hand Bin Laden over to be tried in a court. the US said 'no, we're gonna bomb you'" REALLY? it was just that simple, huh? you don't know what you're talking about. sorry, but you dont. you're an authority on nothing, and you're more ignorant than the people you're calling ignorant. I am against the american call for sympathy. especially when those being asked to be sympathetic have been through so much more, and much more frequently. it's almost like the someone crying to a person s/he just ran over about the damage the accident caused to his/her mercedes. |
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my bad... theo's resoning is not muddled at all.. it has been sharpened to a razors edge of ignorance by a regular intake of American media's stupid pills... I am not about to go back and debate the Whitehouse's by line with him..I have done that here till I have been blue in the in the face and just reading him spout his total lack of a view point other than that fed to him by ABCCBSNBCCNNFOXPBS my face's gone all blue again |
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i can host many more of these videos if you want |
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