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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-02-03 06:51 [#00538715]
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Is it as simple as that? Child prostitutes know what they are doing and by your logic they'd be deserving of our contempt too.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-02-03 08:38 [#00538908]
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Music either works or it doesn't, for indefinable subtle reaons you'd have to vivisect yourself to understand.
The best conductor and orchestra playing music by your favorite composer can suck ass on a bad day, and three guys who have been playing punk music for a month between them can play something that can blow you away.
There is even good Country/Western music. Used to be a bar near me that had the BEST saturday night country band, with a guitarist who just floored me. He should have been playing to adoring crowds of thousands instead of a small bar full of surly drunken urban cowboys, a woman with warts all over her face and a coked-out dwarf (I was none of the above).
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2003-02-03 08:39 [#00538911]
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i stopped hating music... too much to hate it's so tiring ;)
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2003-02-03 08:42 [#00538915]
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that's different, they're kids
i'm talking about people who are over 16 (such as christina aguilera, holy valance)
they CAN make their own mind up, their OWN decisions
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nacmat
on 2003-02-03 09:23 [#00538981]
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dont hate, innovate.
kalvin klein pour homme
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go gadget
from who cares (United States) on 2003-02-03 09:55 [#00538998]
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i dont understand how ppl can stand the dixie chicks...
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2003-02-03 10:05 [#00539005]
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Yeah gotta go with Nacmat on this one, I only hate music that's bad. Except happy hardcore, specifically. Happy hardcore is just pure revolting.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-02-03 10:21 [#00539015]
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a lot of 80s pop gives me the absolute shits
but im stubbornly fond of some terrible 90s numbers :]
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afxNUMB
from So.Flo on 2003-02-03 10:25 [#00539017]
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I hate FREESTYLE
I HATE IT I TELL YA!
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magicant
from Canada on 2003-02-03 10:45 [#00539047]
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i hate 'ventolin' by aphex twin. it fucking gives me seizures. sorry, but there are limits. i can listen to a lot of afx and know it's just james' charm. but this track just pisses me the fuck off.
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nacmat
on 2003-02-03 10:48 [#00539052]
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I just bought ventolin ep and remixes
I love it
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WeaklingChild
from Glasgow (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-03 10:50 [#00539062]
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acid house. well, the shitty stuff with pishy vocals and jobby synths
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2003-02-03 10:51 [#00539063]
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I used to hate country and hip-hop, but I kind of accept that music.
the only music I can really hate, is that house/trance/happy hardcore shit....AHHHHHHHHH!
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magicant
from Canada on 2003-02-03 10:54 [#00539070]
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"I just bought ventolin ep and remixes
I love it"
'ventolin' sounds just like the 'video version' right? cuz i'm talking about the 'ventolin (video version)' on ICBYD. i love all the remixes that accompany it - i find each remix 10 times better than it's original. all it is is one long high-pitched tone with metal-crushing beats and bassy synths.
like this:
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE BOOM BOOM BOOM EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE CHEH CHEHE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HEHCHEHEH BOOM BOOOM BOOM EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
for 4 MINUTES PLUS
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nacmat
on 2003-02-03 11:07 [#00539092]
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yes the video version, the one on icbyd...
that one is great for me
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nacmat
on 2003-02-03 11:27 [#00539123]
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by the way....
WHO IS THIS MATMAX??
AND WHY DID HE CHOOSE SUCH A SIMILAR NICK TO MINE??
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2003-02-03 11:27 [#00539125]
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hahahahaha
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2003-02-03 11:27 [#00539127]
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I don't think it's THAT similar, is it?
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slint
on 2003-02-03 11:33 [#00539138]
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I HATE HEAVY METAL i think it's the worst genre in the world. i hate all the sexism,machism,satanism about it. if there's one kind of music i'll never listen to this is METAL.
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-02-03 11:40 [#00539147]
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Jazz. I HATE it but I rrespect how grreat it is, i just can't like it.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-02-04 01:23 [#00539906]
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Let me get this straight. Children do not know what prostitution is, and so engage in it in complete ignorance. But when a child turns 16 they suddenly have wonderful insight and can make decisions unaffected by outside pressures?
Has it not occured to you that young women are judged on their physical appearance and that the pressure of the industry points them in the direction of using their sexuality to sell records?
I just think its out of order to label women 'sluts' when you quite obviously don't have the first clue about what women face.
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Junktion
from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2003-02-04 01:27 [#00539914]
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i hate music made by people without real talent, but boosted by million dollar investments by a record exec., suddenly becomes an artist. While the people with real talent, fight to keep the faith and use all theyre money in the the genuine interest of music
nuff said
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-02-04 02:25 [#00539971]
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wooord
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2003-02-04 02:29 [#00539973]
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ah but you see i do
i'm not saying that ALL women in the music industry are sluts
and i'm not saying that all children in prostitution don't know what they're doing
those children who have only ever known prostitution in their lives, and have been brought up to believe that it's right don't know what it is that they're really doing...
i DON'T think christina aguilera was brought up to wear tight thongs (which btw can DEFINATELY cause damage to sensitive areas....women, i am TOTALLY for burning high heels and shit...how do you managwe walking in them???) and she was definately not brought up to wear skimpy outfits, pouting at the camera
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Red
from Hell (New Zealand) on 2003-02-04 02:31 [#00539976]
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damnit jonesy I would have welcomed your input into my paper at Uni about Human Cloning Versus Child Pornography...
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-02-04 03:44 [#00540058]
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Vs? Isn't that a false opposition?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-02-04 03:45 [#00540062]
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You're missing the point. You said female artists who wear little clothing are sluts. That is called misogyny my friend and it sucks.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2003-02-04 03:48 [#00540067]
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well i apologise
i never meant to label ALL of them as sluts
i meant the ones who are similar to the likes of holy valance and christina aguilera
i never meant to offend you, and i am honestly apolgising
it just angers me that people use that as a way of getting people to buy their music
but like someone has said to me in the past
"let the kiddies buy this crap, they don't determine what is art, they determine what is not art"
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-02-04 03:51 [#00540074]
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I'm saying calling any woman a slut, whether they be Holly Valance or Christina Aguilera or whoever. You are blaming them for a culture in which women are forced to use their bodies to make money.
I'm not after an apology, I'm just trying to point out your sexism.
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C738
from Outer Space on 2003-02-04 03:52 [#00540077]
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totaly on topic:
I HATE COUNTRY!!!
thank you for your time ;)
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2003-02-04 03:55 [#00540083]
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but can you not see, that when the record label said to holy "look, we wanna market you this way...we want to do music videos where you're showing off your knickers etc etc etc...what do you think?" she could have easily said "well, actually no, because i wouldn't wanna do that
i'm just saying that she must have had a choice.....NOBODY can physically force her to do what she does in her videos
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-02-04 04:01 [#00540095]
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Yes, but the overwhelming pressure is to go along with it; its widespread in our culture. Female sexuality, or the objectification of it, sells.
But why blame the victims and not the male execs who push them into doing such things?
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pOgO
from behind your belly button fluff on 2003-02-04 04:02 [#00540097]
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church music (excluding gospal singers)
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2003-02-04 04:05 [#00540101]
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you're absolutley right
it is in part (a pretty big part) the fault of teen mags, record labels, flims etc etc etc
who are continually pushing this image, this need to be "slim, sexy etc etc etc"
i mean, all you can see nowadays is kids between the ages of 9-12 wearing clothes that i think personally, shouldn't be worn by kids so young
i think it's saddening that kids so young are being told if you don't dress a certain way and look a certain way you're not normal
do you know what i mean?
you're absolutley right, it is the fault of the execs and stuff and kids mags and things
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pOgO
from behind your belly button fluff on 2003-02-04 04:07 [#00540105]
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It all sucks
I hate it when parents complain about eminem rapping about violence, then go out and by a song called "Dirty" or "Booty Call" for thier 9 year old !
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-02-04 04:07 [#00540106]
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Well then why call women who are forced to pander to sexism sluts?
I'm not gonna go on about this as everyone else is already bored of me hijacking the thread. I've made my point. Sorry peeps.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2003-02-04 04:09 [#00540108]
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exactly!!!!!!
it's not okay for their kids to go out and buy music that is, quite frankly making fun of the industry, but it's okay for them to buy music that pushes this "sex sex sex" image
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pOgO
from behind your belly button fluff on 2003-02-04 04:09 [#00540109]
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and then they wonder why the rate of teen pregnancys has risen so much !
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2003-02-04 04:10 [#00540111]
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i am just saying that if they didn't agree to doing it, it wouldn't exist would it?
it's both parties to blame...the labels and the "artists"
if the "artists" refused to pander to the image, then the labels wouldn't have an image to push
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2003-02-04 04:11 [#00540112]
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exactly
it's the media's fault
it's saddening, because while i was at school, everyone used to brag about the fact that they weren't virgins etc etc etc
and i know for a fact that it's still the case (if not more so)....it's just really sad
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