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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2003-02-01 19:06 [#00537070]
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i'm just asking because you have to make a song different if you make it for speakers or headphones.
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2003-02-01 19:09 [#00537077]
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Ya know back in my day "Pc Speaker" was that little speaker inside the computer...
Wasn't easy writing music with that, no line in. So you'd pay $150 for a 8bit Sound Blaster card.
But me.. umm I'd use headphones. Don't want to wake up everyone :-/
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-02-01 19:09 [#00537078]
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i use headphones on my laptop... the speakers are tiny on this thing...
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-01 19:11 [#00537082]
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just got some cool headphones today... so headphones all the way, you can hear so much more!
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Binaural Tea
from Christmas City (Christmas Island) on 2003-02-01 19:14 [#00537086]
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-02-01 19:24 [#00537096]
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Speakers always.
Headphones are only for when I absolutely have no choice.
And I listen at LOW levels.
Several Reaons: 1. Ear damage. Espicially since when you are writting your music, your gonna want to rock out to it, and hear all the little details. Much more damage is done having speakers close to your ears, then having normal speakers, several feet from you, even if those speakers are loud.
2. Acoustically, and production wise, writting on speakers produces better results. If you write/mix something on speakers, its more likely to sound good on other speakers, and headphones, where as mixing with headphones, this isnt true. It leads to alot of issues...
I know small comp speakers are shit... and in that case, headphones are need to hear the saounds... but in the long ru, try to get better speakers.
I run my comutor into the line in of my stereo, so i have good sound.
I need to get real moniters though....
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2003-02-01 19:33 [#00537107]
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but sometimes (i have the problem because of shitty speakers) you make a song listening to it on speakers, then you listend to it on headphones and some places are too loud. epecially high tones.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-02-01 19:37 [#00537108]
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yeah, shitty speakers fuck things up.
But like, if you had high quality headphones, and high quality speakers, the speakers would win out.
You gotta do what ya gotta do... just please dont listen loud.
Its SO easy to fuck your ears. I took an acoustics class, and we went into ear damge. Its not fun stuff. Scared the crap out of me actually...
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-01 19:37 [#00537109]
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what's the difference between speakers and monitors? there's something to do with the way they amp the sound or change the sound.... i cant remember
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-02-01 19:39 [#00537110]
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well, moniters are speakers...
but moniters are specially made for studio use, and are very high quality speakers.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2003-02-01 19:41 [#00537111]
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i discovered something, and i see that you know something :)
the last days i connected my pc to the speakers of my vinyl player (it has its own speakers) they are 25 years old.
but i think the everything sounds clearer and.... deeper than even on headphones. is this possible ? do vinyl player speakers have another construction ?
i love these ones
o, btw zeus: i think everything should hear music at normal volume, i agree.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-01 19:42 [#00537112]
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hmm, my friend was trying to tell me how they were different, but he couldn't remember how... something more than the quality i think.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-02-01 19:46 [#00537116]
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sadist: well, you were using old speakers, so they were using analouge signals, instead of digital. The compression is more natural, and "warmer," or "deeper"
mylittlesister: im sure there is difference in construction, hence why they sound good. But I wouldnt know. I dont know anything about electronic's construction and the like.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-02-01 19:49 [#00537118]
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Depends on the speakers and the headphones. I try to use both when mixing and doing final volume adjustments.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-01 19:54 [#00537119]
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headphones are much better for disecting the sounds, speakers are better for listening - give a greater sense of room.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-02-01 20:00 [#00537123]
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What kind of cans didja get?
I prefer listening in headphones. I get lost in the artist's little world of sound.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-01 20:03 [#00537127]
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some sennheiser HD 497s... pretty good for their price :-)
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-02-01 20:24 [#00537136]
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Sennheiser! What, you didn't go for the Orpheus? :-)
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2003-02-01 20:32 [#00537140]
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no :-( they didnt have the colour that i wanted.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-02-01 23:41 [#00537179]
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i think monitors are specially designed to reduce feed back...
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map
from mülligen (Switzerland) on 2003-02-01 23:48 [#00537184]
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xactly, monitors for mastering and mixdown ... if u don't have any money for it, mix it on your homespeaker s, while mastering, compare it with your favourite tracks (hell, one bird starts singing out there, it's 07:46 am here) it makes no sense, comparing headphones with speakers,.
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skyfarmer
from a bigger, more complex and tun (Russia) on 2003-02-02 04:06 [#00537503]
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I first thought that was a joke :))
PC Speaker is actually that small thing that sometimes beeps inside your computer :)
And if arranged properly, speakers are a good choice. If you can't handle the acoustic positioning, choose headphones. You'll have to later re-mix and re-equalize it to sound good on both.
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uzim
on 2003-02-02 08:35 [#00537642]
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my iMac has pretty good speakers!
but i always use headphones in order not to annoy people with my music... and even if it wasn't annoying them... i'm too shy
and music is a solitary pleasure for me
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hepburnenthorpe
from sydney (Australia) on 2003-02-02 09:47 [#00537715]
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monitors are falt response. meaning they add no bass or treble to your traks, thus making it better for you to trully hear the frequencies of your work, and eq accordingly.
there generally not real good for listening to mastered music on. there generally too flat.
though i do like to listen to aphex real loud om my truths.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-02-02 10:06 [#00537735]
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Flat = good. I hate speakers and headphones that color the sound in an attempt to be more "musical". (though with headphones it's good to have some peaks and notches in the high end so you can hear detail properly).
Most consumer grade audio equipment is designed for yokels who are impressed by scooped midrange. Don't ask me why -- the mids are what human ears are optimized to hear.
While I'm ranting, let me add that I despise bass players who EQ out the midrange on their rigs. My ideal bass guitar sound is very woody and midrangy - a perfect example is the bass sound on The Raven by the Stranglers.
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