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offline Sepix from Major City (Austria) on 2003-01-25 09:40 [#00527832]
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Until today i`ve always used Audiograbber for creating
mp3`s.

now i`ve just tested EAC, www.exactaudiocopy.de, and can
only say its one of the best.

every sector on the cd is read 2 times, so no errors can
appear, compression itself is made by Lame, creates perfect
high quality vbr files.

the results are great and best is,
its Free :)


 

offline sadist from the dark side of the moon on 2003-01-25 10:07 [#00527843]
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i don't like vbr
cbr is better



 

offline Sepix from Major City (Austria) on 2003-01-25 10:30 [#00527860]
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cbr ?


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2003-01-25 10:33 [#00527867]
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There's only one thing CBRis better at - if you're streaming
music and want a predictable bitrate.

Otherwise VBR sounds much better at the same file size as
CBR.

VBR implementations years ago were flawed, but now they are
very good. It's time to update your perceptions of it.


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2003-01-25 10:53 [#00527882]
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.ape compression is much better than any, if you've got the
hard drive space.


 

offline PigeonSt from Detroit on 2003-01-25 11:14 [#00527900]
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Yeah I have EAC and it's great. Highly recommended.


 

offline Cheffe1979 from fuck (Austria) on 2003-01-25 11:17 [#00527907]
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i use it for scratched cd's, it may take a while but it can
rip cds that won't play in any stereo


 

offline sadist from the dark side of the moon on 2003-01-25 11:43 [#00527933]
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vbr better than cbr ? but vbr has less amount on information
or not ?


 

offline skyfarmer from a bigger, more complex and tun (Russia) on 2003-01-25 21:49 [#00528512]
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Let me educate you, sadist.

Constant BitRate
CBR - you set the needed bitrate (amount of information) and
it encodes every little frame of the song with it. So, no
differences if there is a silence or an orchestral rush.

Average BitRate
ABR - you set the needed bitrate (it can be the same one),
but it finds frames for which the bitrate can be smaller,
and uses the savings for more complicated pieces, and the
bitrate (amount of information) remains the same.

Variable BitRate
VBR - you set the quality (-V x) and it decides the needed
bitrate for each frame, being as indulgent as you want it to
be. So, if you set the X equal 0, then it's virtually
perfect, as it will encode with minimal losses, but without
wasting space on excess information. It's scientifically the
best mode.

THE BEST QUALITY AND REASONABLE LAME SETTING:

-q 0 -v -V 0 -b 112

q 0: sets the precision of psycho-acoustic model
calculation. The 'quality/encoding speed' proportion, does
not affect size. 0 is best, 9 is worst.

v: turns on VBR (see above)

V 0: sets the VBR quality, or how fairly it decides the
needed bitrate for each frame. 0 is the best, 9 makes
low-bitrate.

-b 112: limits the lower bitrate to 112kbps. Not really
needed for modern versions of LAME, for their psychoacoustic
model is updated, so the
too-low-bitrate-chosen-on-some-sounds problems will not
normally appear.

So, if you encode with LAME and the named settings, you get
virtually the best MP3 compression possible.


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2003-01-25 22:00 [#00528516]
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It's even simpler if you're using LAME 3.90.2 or 3.92 (and
you should be!)

"LAME --alt-preset insane" will give you the highest quality
mp3 possible at the moment. This is a tweaked 320 Kbps CBR
setting.

"LAME --alt-preset extreme" is a VBR setting that should
average about 256 Kbps. It is good for difficult to encode
music like electronic music. Quality should be very close to
"--alt-preset insane" with a smaller filesize.

"LAME --alt-preset standard" is a VBR setting that should
average about 192 Kbps. Most people probably can't tell the
difference between this setting and a CD. If you can, use
one of the higher settings.


 

offline Loogie from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-26 04:36 [#00528644]
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thanks for this, I've been looking for an alternative to
audiograbber and this looks great


 

offline skyfarmer from a bigger, more complex and tun (Russia) on 2003-01-26 22:05 [#00529633]
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do the altpresets include -q0? it's relevant


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2003-01-26 22:29 [#00529656]
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No, here is an explanation why, from one of the LAME
developers:

Q: Why is -q 2 (-h) used instead of -q 0? I know that -q2 is
recommended as it is faster and that -q0 doesn't yield
significantly better results, but doesn't -q0 results in
better quality (which is what we're after here)? Does -q0
cause certain problems by trying to find the 'best' type of
noise shaping etc.?

A: No, -q0 does not result in better quality, only slower
encoding. All of the areas for increases in quality which
would be "obvious" such as using command line switches, I've
already examined and made use of where appropriate. -q0 also
defaults Takehiro's new noise shaping which may allow for
more room for error in added noise and the speed hit is
around 40% with a bit savings of around 2kbps. There is no
audible difference or increase in quality, and the hit in
speed and more room for error are, IMO, unacceptable at this
time.


 

offline skyfarmer from a bigger, more complex and tun (Russia) on 2003-01-26 22:40 [#00529661]
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wait.... I've read this before but thought he was referring
to q2 :)


 

offline skyfarmer from a bigger, more complex and tun (Russia) on 2003-01-26 22:45 [#00529664]
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but it's still better. ABSOLUTISTIC mOoz0Oh!!!


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2003-01-26 22:53 [#00529669]
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I won't seriously discuss the merits of one mp3 encoding
setting over another with anyone until they can prove that
they've ABX'd one better than other with a blind listening
test. There are too many variables involved.


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2003-01-26 23:00 [#00529671]
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That sounded kind of fucking snobby, but all I'm saying is
that everyone's ears, equipment and musical tastes are
different. If it sounds good to you go with it!


 

offline skyfarmer from a bigger, more complex and tun (Russia) on 2003-01-26 23:03 [#00529674]
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of course it doesn't matter in real life and all :)

use APE...


 


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