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here's a link to some AMAZING live tracks (mp3's) by The Roots! i think everyone's gonna love these! enjoy |
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do'h *me bad* this is courtesy of Titsworth, so all the thanks to him!! plus he also has an unused live version of "rock you" if anyone really wants it (it's not linked with the rest) the tracks have been radically rearrainged for the mostly 'white' listeners, the lyrics have been cleaned up =0) |
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grrrr.....rereading this it's just all wrong! lemmie post the email =0) hey paula, could you pass this link on to the board? http://www.okayplayer.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=sh ow_thread&om=25158&forum=general1&omm=0 it's these really excellent and drastically rearranged tracks the roots performed live for gilles peterson worldwide this month on the beeb. i think the people on the MB will really like it. it's cool how they changed the chorus of "water" around to avoid the "n-word" since the bbc audience is mostly white. also, i have a version of "rock you" that isn't included in those links cos it wasn't broadcast till a few days later. they can get that off me if they like. |
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B U M P for those ROOTS fans out there, you're gonna love this!! =0) |
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decent music, im not really big fan but that phrenology is pretty good i find their songs to much alike and repetitive that song they did with erykah badu still remains my favourite |
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you should check out these live recordings they showcase their amazing LIVE style. Badu is just amazin' huh =0) |
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i downloaded those tracks when you posted links the first time ;) they're really cool live, actually thats why (aside from that badu song) i noticed them in the first place, not many hip hop bands that i know of are playing live instruments |
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"since the BBC audience is mostly white" ha ha I think its more because the N word is still offensive to a lot of people. anyway i'm gonna check these tracks. |
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I was going to see them live on 15th of Feb. but it's my best mate's mum's wedding and I realised that I'd already agreed to go to that. |
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Dood you should GO, i'm not kidding one of ZE best concerts i've ever been to. can't you go to the wedding for a bit and THEN check out the show?? try try try and lemmie know how you liked the tunes =0) |
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the ROOTs are playing here in March. i hope i'll be in town to see them!!! it's so rare cool concerts come to town =/ |
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sweeeeeeet... |
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diablo, i agree it's still (and always will be) an offensive word, BUT it's used in the album version as well as live performances. i just thought it was a nice touch how they changed it for the UK since there're far fewer blacks in the listening audience. but i agree that rappers should phase it out (see ATCQ's "sucka nigga" for a good discussion of this), and i don't think the roots use it much at all. it's great how easily they were able to delete it from their lyrics and how good the songs still sounded (i hope you all downloaded those mp3's, they're incredible). however, at the time i wrote that email i hadn't noticed that they actually changed ALL the curses in the songs (not that there were many to begin with), perhaps because they didn't know it's generally ok to curse on air in the UK. |
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It is generally OK to swear on UK TV provided it is not a BBC channel :). They don't like it at all. Plus the word nigger is still more offensive to black people than white people. I think you will find that while the word is commonly used in US hiphop circles, the UK scene is a lot different and I very rarely hear a black person refer to another black person as nigger or nigga however you want to spell it. |
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"nigga" (pronounced and spelled slightly differently, tho i definitely agree w/ you that it's still the same word.. just used in a different context) is OK with 90% of hip-hop listeners, especially blacks. but you're right, when it comes to the black generations who grew up on jazz, rock, r&b, and soul, it's incredibly offensive, and this is why a lot of rappers have been phasing it out. you're right tho, i haven't heard roots manuva or any other brits utter the word much if ever. it's a dirty habit US rappers started but it makes sense because blacks in poverty have been calling each other the name since the 1800s. |
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I don't have a problem with the word being used in a none defamitory way, although I can see why people do. The word nigga to me is bullshit and it makes me shudder to think of the film Black & White where it is explained by a group of "white" kids. That film played into so many stereotypes. And they raped Mike Tyson of any respect I still had for him. |
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i look forward to seeing that movie, i haven't found it in any rental shops for years. you're saying it's bad? it got bad reviews but i'm a sucker for hip-hop films. my favorites are both only loosely about hip-hop: bamboozled, bulworth, and slam. (and scratch, but that's a documentary.) |
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No, it's not a hiphop film. I have saw it about 3 times now, hoping to find something I liked about it. I am sorry, but everyone who agreed to do that film where too stupid to see that it was the opposite of everything it was meant to be. Reakwon out of the Wu was meant to sound as though he was a socially aware black man and just sounded stupid. Mike Tyson basically admitted to rape and played into all the media bullshit. The white kids where rich middle class white kids, while.....ahhh I can't talk about it. It was one of the worst movies I have ever watched to do with race. I watched White Boys straight after and it made me genuinely feel sorry for white rappers with skill, because they will never be taken seriously while shit like these two films continue to portray racist stereotypes. |
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most white rappers are pretty bad tho |
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hmm....what about El-P, Aesop Rock, Eminem, Cage, Copywrite...all very very good rappers. Plus there are tons of UK rappers who are white and quality with it. And I would just like to add that most black rappers who have gained commercial success are also pretty bad. |
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great examples but definitely exceptions to the rules. you have to understand that most rappers, like most rockers, are unsigned. i was speaking literally, sorry if i wasn't clear enough. and as far as "most black rappers who have gained commercial success are also pretty bad" that's actually somewhat of a borderline racist remark. if you were to say "don't meet my tastes" then that would be fine, but you didn't say that. i think the comment is incredibly off the mark. most of my favorite rappers are black men who have had a little to a lot of commercial success (not necessarily presently, but at some point). note that that doesn't mean they're all i listen to. |
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borderline racist remark? and what the fuck is most white rappers are pretty bad tho? If I think most black rappers who have gained commercial success are quite bad I am gonna say it, fuck being politically correct. Successful rappers who I have a lot of time to listen to include Common, Mos Def, Chino XL, Kool G Rap, Nas, Black Thought, Cannibal Ox, Biggie. However most commercial rap is negative bullshit, conceptually weak and boring. If you like it fine. I still think it is shit. |
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most white rappers ARE pretty bad. it's no secret that hip-hop is a black artform and that blacks tend to be more rhythmically inclined than whites. PC or not your comment makes no sense. if not for commercial hip-hop you'd have never been introduced to what you listen to now. to say that most rappers who have been commercially successful (from 1980 to today) are "pretty bad" unless you're completely ignorant/unaware of the back catalogue of hip-hop classics, and from how you were talking you seem like someone who knows a fair amount about hip-hop. that's why the remark doesn't make any sense. nas, biggie, and the roots have all had large commercial success; mos def and common to a smaller extent. kool g rap was pretty popular in the late 80s too. all i'm saying is that no matter how fed up you are w/ nelly, ja rule, whatever, you can't just pretend people like outkast, the fugees, ll cool j, jay-z, snoop, NWA, public enemy, too $hort, run dmc, etc. never existed. |
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I would never deny that the roots of hiphop lie within black culture, however, "blacks tend to be more rhythmically inclined than whites", is a stereotypical comment with no scientific foundation, like saying blacks can't swim because their bones are too heavy. I also find it amusing that you assume my introduction to rap was through commercial artists. When in actual fact I used to spend my whole life as a kid in record shops listening music off the racks. I was into the Ultramagnetics, Black Sheep,Kool G Rap & DJ Polo, Rakim & Eric B among others. I also know quite a few of the rappers on the UK circuit such as Phi-Life Cypher. And I have to admit it does piss me off when statements about white rappers being bad are made. To me that is pure out and out racism. To be honest I have been around the scene longer than most of the black people I personally know, but because I am white I still get talked down to. Then I come here, and people make the same assumptions. At what point in any of my previous posts did I refer to past commercial artists? You decided to take it back to 1980 to try and add weight to your arguement. I honestly think you have been more racist than I have. Tell me how many of the really commercial artists have had anything to say other than talking about girls, cars and how much money they have got? To me that is as far away from the roots of rap as you can get. Rap was an outlet for people who wouldn't have otherwise had a voice, and still can be, but the media doesn't want that, and too many artists are willing to back down in the face of the almighty dollar, and forget where they came from. And they say race is becoming less of an issue. |
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I like cheese |
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"blacks tend to be more rhythmically inclined than whites" is a statement i made based on the fact that black americans created every american musical genre so far, from jazz to techno. if that's not evidence of being more in touch with rhythm than whites i don't know what is. i'm not saying "every" black man is superior in rhythm to "every" white man. i'm "not that kinda stupid." just an observation grounded in ample support. i still don't think you're grasping what i said here: "you have to understand that most rappers, like most rockers, are unsigned. i was speaking literally, sorry if i wasn't clear enough." i'm talking about people no one's heard of. people in their parents' basements hosting parties, people in bedrooms rapping onto their computer, people signed to labels that don't exist on paper. as far as you being introduced to hip-hop through commercial artists, you just admitted what i said was true. black sheep and eric b & rakim were hella popular back in the day, with g rap not far behind (look up their record sales in the US if you can). you act like popular music sucks. also, i hate to break it to you, but rapping started at parties. it EVOLVED into socially conscious lyricism. it didn't begin there. rapping about girls and parties is fun music, and certainly has its place. so does intelligent hip-hop. there's more than enough room in people's record collection for them to co-exist. i can't even begin to give you the value of what hundreds of commercially successful artists, some of which you've just mentioned, have contributed to society. don't judge a book by its cover. don't be the type of person to ignore what popular artists say outside of their hits just because they're fed up with those hits. |
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