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           jonesy
             from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-01-20 04:02 [#00520811]
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 http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,878122,00.html
 
  
         
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           Ceri JC
             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-01-20 04:14 [#00520819]
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Who says the Welsh are dim, eh?
  Thats a great idea. I don't understand why you have to pay  duty on it though, it should at least be reduced if it's not  being imported. 
 
  
         
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           princo
             from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2003-01-20 04:20 [#00520825]
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This is an old concept accually.
  This Welshman has ripped off somebody else. Can't remember  who cause I'm happily poluting the planet  
 
  
         
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           fat kaimo
             from Finland on 2003-01-20 04:29 [#00520832]
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i read a few interesting things about cars that run on cow  manour or the methan it contains... 
 
  
         
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           LuckyPsycho
             from a long way from home (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-20 04:37 [#00520843]
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Duty has to be paid because its being used as fuel... not  cos its imported or not. Fuel duty is (supposed to be) used  for building roads, and coming up with things to improve the  environment. And the level of duty is supposed to stop  people burning as much...
 
  Good idea though... and not really sure how they can enforce  the duty unless they catch you filling up with it. 
 
  
         
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           oscillik
             from the fires of orc on 2003-01-20 04:39 [#00520844]
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i remember this being in the news on tv over here.....lol
  the thing about the duty is fucked up though
 
  
         
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           bill_hicks
             from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-01-20 04:40 [#00520846]
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The point is?
 
  
         
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           jonesy
             from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-01-20 04:57 [#00520871]
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I thought we paid road tax for roads?
  they should tax industry more heavily as they are the ones  contributing most to greenhouse gases AND they are more able  to afford to pay for the damage due to their vast profits. 
 
  
         
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           jonesy
             from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-01-20 05:00 [#00520878]
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If you want it spelt out for you, the point is:
  we are about to go to war to secure oil reserves for western  petroleum companies and the needs of US imperialist  expansion when there are alternatives that are more  environmentally friendly i.e. the logic of capital prohibits  more senible planning and use of resources. 
 
  
         
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           LuckyPsycho
             from a long way from home (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-20 05:01 [#00520879]
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Road tax... fuel tax... fuck it... it all goes on guns  anyway 
 
  
         
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           bill_hicks
             from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-01-20 05:13 [#00520892]
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Correct me if I'm wrong but this impending war has nothing  to do with oil and everything to do with Iraq's failure to  conform to UN requests. George Bush doesn't want a war, and  Tony Blair definitely does not want a war. Opinion polls  show the masses are predominately against any conflict and  Tony Blair bases all his governments policies on opinion  polls. 
 
  The media are trying their best to engender a fear and  hatred of foreigners but there is going to have to be a  terrorist attack in Britain before the people back Tony  Blair on this war. And I wouldn't put it past this  government to create one. 
 
  
         
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           Netlon Sentinel
             from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2003-01-20 05:18 [#00520896]
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you have got to be kidding
  more troops go to the gulf everyday! war is avoidable! why  sent troops? it's not like we've seen proof like we did with  the whole cuba thing 40 or so years ago. there is hardly any  justification and still bush pushes on
 
  if you ask me, bush wants this war and wants to win it too,  if only because he wouldn't know how to get reelected  otherwise 
 
  
         
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           Ceri JC
             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-01-20 05:19 [#00520897]
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"The media are trying their best to engender a fear and  hatred of foreigners but there is going to have to be a  terrorist attack in Britain before the people back Tony  Blair on this war. And I wouldn't put it past this  government to create one."
  You mean a 1984 stylee bombing of the population by the  govt. to keep them in a warlike state? 
 
  I'd be up for using cooking oil for fuel. I'd only do it in  a banger (old car)though...  
 
  
         
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           jonesy
             from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-01-20 05:22 [#00520900]
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You're wrong.
  The UN requests were made at the behest of the Bush  administration because they knew that to reconfigure the  region in the shape they require, they would need backing.  The UN serves, as NATO has done, as a fig leaf for their  miltary operations. 
 
  The US is the largest imperialist power the world has known,  eclipsing even the British empire. To remain so it must  expand and this requires great oil reserves. The US has a  finite reserves of its own and so needs to secure them  elsewhere. Iraq being the largest oil reserve in the world  means they need a head of state who will pander to US oil  companies and the US' strategic interests.
 
  Saddam Hussein has shown that he is no longer willing to tow  the line and hence the buld up for war.
 
  Bush and Blair DO want war. Why else would they post so many  troops to the region? The UK is sending 20,000. What for if  not for war?
 
 
 
  
         
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           bill_hicks
             from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-01-20 05:28 [#00520902]
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If you want peace you must prepare to war.
 
  
         
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           Netlon Sentinel
             from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2003-01-20 05:29 [#00520904]
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there can be no peace when everyone's guns are loaded
 
  
         
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           bill_hicks
             from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-01-20 05:32 [#00520906]
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none are smoking yet though
 
  
         
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           LuckyPsycho
             from a long way from home (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-20 08:27 [#00521085]
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/02/voices _from_iraq/html/adhami.stm
  Interesting view from inside Iraq...
 
  
         
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