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DaWeeze
from WANTED IN 16 STATES! on 2003-01-18 22:27 [#00519495]
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Does anybody know who (or what) coined the term and what music or musical acts laid down the foundation for this genre of music?
Indulge me...
Thanks. :)
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-18 22:31 [#00519501]
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no intelligent individuals coin music genres... it's more like a giant mass of sludgy consciousness mimics and drifts toward Idm or happy hardcore or something.
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DaWeeze
from WANTED IN 16 STATES! on 2003-01-18 22:35 [#00519505]
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I realize that...but I can't express it in a form that will confuse an already disoriented community...you know how people are here...
I also take you don't have an answer?
;)
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DaWeeze
from WANTED IN 16 STATES! on 2003-01-18 22:35 [#00519506]
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will NOT confuse...
natch.
:P
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wayout
from the street of crocodiles on 2003-01-18 22:45 [#00519511]
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i think it sorta started when dj's like grooverider started playing breakbeat records at the wrong speed, as to make them faster in the early 90's.. there were tons of other factors of course.. well, if you want to get really technical.. "drum'n'bass" descended from jungle.. which was sort of a mix of sped up dub and hip hop.. drum n bass is what happened when nerdy white kids started making it.. it was a bit harsher and colder sounding..and lacked the vocals and dubbyness of jungle
im not too clear on specific artists involved though, sorry
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Mickey Mouse
from The Moon on 2003-01-18 22:48 [#00519513]
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I would think the radio stations and/or record labels made up the term drum and bass, I dont really think any one person invented the genra, more of a collective effort. I think drum and bass came out from the rave scene in the early 90's. Artists who pioneered the genra in my personal opinion were: Fabio, Teddy Riley, Grooverider, The Prodigy, Roni Size & Reprazent, Ed Rush and Optical
It definatly had something to do with Meat Beat Manifesto's track 'Radio Babylon'
Or you could go even earlier and say it was inspired by The Winstons or Lyn Collins with their famous amen and think break which practically inspired the whole genra.
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Diao
from Olathe (United States) on 2003-01-18 23:17 [#00519533]
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Whenever Squarepusher came about.
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Mickey Mouse
from The Moon on 2003-01-18 23:47 [#00519547]
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oops, haha I almost forgot, afx and squarepusher had something to do with early drum and bass's evolution! Luke Vibert too definatly
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Mickey Mouse
from The Moon on 2003-01-18 23:55 [#00519554]
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And Goldie
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Mickey Mouse
from The Moon on 2003-01-18 23:56 [#00519556]
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And probubly a dozen others, but my brain hurts
MUST I R STOP TEH HURT!
*get hammer and smashes head repeatidly*
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aron
from saskatoon (Canada) on 2003-01-18 23:59 [#00519557]
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it started in the early 90s/late80s
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revpersona
from Plainfield (United States) on 2003-01-19 00:36 [#00519579]
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From what I've read, some big name producers have credited Plaid with laying down some foundation in the genre.
More specificaly LTJ Bukem said that Plaid helped pioneer DnB and what a major influence to him.
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Pigfarmer
from Ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2003-01-19 01:59 [#00519631]
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Its like the combination of Jungle in the ending 80ies, early 90ies and hardcore. Most of the D&B Producers(f.e.: Optical, Goldie..) came out of the hardcore scene.
Who wants to know anyway ? D&B has killed itself with a lack of innovation.
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FlyAgaric
from the discovery (Africa) on 2003-01-19 03:27 [#00519668]
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Hell...I think even rdj had somethin to do with it? Not the term, but the style.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-01-19 05:22 [#00519726]
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What happened was breakbeats started to come in as the old hardcore scene was dying. Many people regard the first genre defining track to be Helicopter by Deep Blue (an all time classic :) ) to be the one the properly sparked the scene.
The people in drum and bass from the beginning were the likes of the people on Suburban Bass, Reinforced and Moving Shadow.
So you got people like Spring Heel Jack, Doc Scott, Deep Blue and loads of others. A lot of jump up tracks from the likes of Micky Finn & Aphrodite, JB and the boys from Back to Basics (Dead Dred), Dillinja, Photek...there are just too many people. It was also a very introverted scene which is why, personally, I have never classed Squarepusher, Luke Vibert or RDJ as Drum and Bass artists, mainly because they operated out of the scene and seemed to take the piss out of it.
When RDJ did HAB he basically made almost everything ever done with breakbeats up to that point instantly sound ancient.
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nacmat
on 2003-01-19 05:29 [#00519734]
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I have:
goldie, 4hero, roni size, photek
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-01-19 05:35 [#00519746]
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Goldie was never one of the originators, by his own admission. He was walking past a building when he jungle playing and walked in becaue he liked it so much. It turned out to be the reinforced studio, and it was with them he made his Rufige Cru tracks Terminator and Manhunter.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-01-19 05:37 [#00519747]
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when he heard jungle that should have been. Besides I think a lot of goldies output has been due to the people he has worked with. I mean recently ,the difference between the playford stuff and the optical stuff shows how much he relies on the back room team behind him.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-01-19 05:49 [#00519766]
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surely art of noise had something to do with it :)
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FlyAgaric
from the discovery (Africa) on 2003-01-19 05:49 [#00519767]
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He's a pretty good dj though.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-01-19 05:54 [#00519774]
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Don't talk to me about DJing, I think it is one of the easiest things in the world and that people get FAR too much credit for doing it.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-01-19 05:55 [#00519776]
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I was meant to put a smiley in there :)
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FlyAgaric
from the discovery (Africa) on 2003-01-19 06:02 [#00519779]
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Fair enough yeah, to me a good dj is someone that finds good tunes and makes my friday night enjoyable.
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diablo
on 2003-01-19 06:59 [#00519815]
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Jungle, Drum n Bass or whatever is basically hardcore... rave infact. It was when the scene was being touted as "the next big thing" that it went wrong. People were trying to cross over, put vocals all over everything, or prove how jazzy and experimental it was.
I mean fair enough some good music came out but it also kind or interupted the natural progression of D&B. I think now its gone back to basics again, which for me is good...
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-01-19 07:02 [#00519818]
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Yes, it did lose it's way because the media wanted it to be what garage is now, and it was never going to happen.
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Paco
from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2003-01-19 07:10 [#00519821]
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A Guy Called Gerald.
-P
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Cfern
from Sacto (United States) on 2003-01-19 14:16 [#00520170]
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'94 was the year that drum and bass appeared to be a fully different genre from the 'ardcore genre which it morphed out of.. goldie released the first full length jungle cd.
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Mickey Mouse
from The Moon on 2003-01-19 14:36 [#00520193]
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"I think a lot of goldies output has been due to the people he has worked with.."
Definatly
But he was definatly one of the pioneers of the genra IMO, with some help of course
Drums and bass was definatly a collective effort. One person didnt just come out a closet and bust it out and say: "Hey, THIS is drum and bass"
I hate it when people call a genra "dead"
that is such bullshit
I like to think of it like this: There are loads of people who can ice skate. Just because there are a lot of people that do a bad job of it, doesnt mean that the sport is dead. There are skaters like Michelle Quan who do it really well and perform it beautifully. People can still do a with the sport
I think this same concept can apply to music as well, more specifically "IDM"/glitch/experimental and drum and bass music. There is so many different ways to go about doing it
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Mickey Mouse
from The Moon on 2003-01-19 14:38 [#00520195]
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*cough*
"People can still do a with the sport "
People can still do many things with the sport
*cough*
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hepburnenthorpe
from sydney (Australia) on 2003-01-19 15:53 [#00520259]
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