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9/11 is undoubtedly the biggest thing to happen in my lifetime. Although I'm a northernly neighbour to the US, I think I understand just how profoundly it affected their country. I think it has affected Canada pretty seriously as well. I was at school yesterday and this girl from Paris was saying that 9/11 isn't that big of a deal to the rest of the world. What do xltronicers from across the pond think? |
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well think about it, how often does the middle east experience things like that. EVERY FUCKIN DAY! i live in the u.s. and to me its a tragedy but it was inevitable. we are not invincible and we are hated by many countries. it was just a matter of time. you weren't expecting it? |
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Its a big thing here too.Its concerning for us. To some people its a joke,I think thats because they're jealous of such a powerfull nation. 10,000 people died that day.Thats serious IMO. |
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not really well some do, those who are america-symphatetizers or have relatives here. but mainly it's considered a horrible tragedy but nothing over-the-top really, more people die all over the world all the time due to much worse acts. |
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10,000 people dies today? are you talking about 9/11? i don't recall that many deaths. im sorry but when the u.s. tries to play god of the world, just as in religion, lots of people won't follow along. |
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I think the attack was to show the U.S is not undefeatable,but to get over something like that is truly undefeatable. |
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How many died? |
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It was about 3000 dude. More were killed in our terrorism in Afghanistan. But they are just Arabs so who gives a shit. |
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hmmm to forget is human nature. its not a great act. this is why we have a class called history. |
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whatever... it's only been a little bit than 3000 deaths, that's not that much is it? i agree with NeoExmnist. it is most symbolic i guess, and because of the importance of the building... |
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2,823 all in all |
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its good to feel bad, but you must realize to most people in the world that is life. what if it was a mandetory thing to have a bomb shelter in ur house. or walk down the street and see buildings that have been bombed and people walking around with ak's all the time. we could get bombed again and its till nuthing compared to most. |
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nice comic hehe |
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odd facts: Amount of money 500 relatives of 9/11 victims are suing the Bin Laden family company and Saudi princes for in an effort to bankrupt terrorism: $1,000,000,000,000 (trillion) Percentage of Manhattanites who increased their marijuana consumption following 9/11: 3.2 Number of English language books published on the subject of 11 September: 672 |
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the most silly thing was that show they made in honor of 9/11, with all that famous actors and musicians i mean, just like in some crap movie or something |
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hehe, yeah, they know how to make money dont they :) |
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Thats how America is so rich,suing. |
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today you're rich, tomorrow you're broke |
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working in an office with many Europeans.. french, spainish, italian, german.... i would say YES.. but there is a definite vibe of.... "It-was-just-a-matter-of-time. . now they know, shit happens" |
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You trying to usurp Nacmat's stats with Neetta's Facts? ;) |
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Sure i take it "seriously", in the sense that i find it terrible so many people died in the disaster. But in general i think america has overreacted... with all that talk about "the world has changed forever" and blah blah. Like other people in this thread i say: thousands of people die in tragedies like this all over the world... but nobody cares (or at least not as much as they care about the 9-11 victims). Because in the eyes of the media, americans are the most important people in the world. On the 4th of december 2002, the world food program of the united nations announced that Africa in the very near future, will have forty million people (that's 40.000.000 human beings) who don't have any food left to survive (due to the extreme dryness). This could develop into the biggest disaster that has ever happened to Africa. It's things like this, that put 9/11 into perspective for me. Instead of "fighting terrorism", Bush could use all that money to supply Africa with food. (and ofcourse Africa's hunger-problem is only one of the many fucked up things happening in the world). |
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no, i just googled on the subject and found those :) my facts can hardly be called as facts at all |
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ahahahahah sorry...theres so much to take seriously... i think americas seriously joking yes... since his creation im not sayin' that terorists are cool, im sayin that america has the worst terrorists ever, and everyone smile at them, or watch them on their tv... sure it was horrible... but dont ever go to africa... |
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Bin Laden considered the US a threat and 9/11 was his preemptive strike at a legitmate military target. |
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look..... less than 100 yuears ago the world had more civil strife and famines etc than it does now. We are better off and its all due to WW2, the emergence of superpowers, the stabilising of economies, the securing of oil deals for that stability.. like it or not. America emerged as a key player in these things, and since the cold war is over, it is the only effective dominant force on the planet and thank fuck its in some way moral and just. The only bloody problem, is its aarogance and double standards and basically it needs a decent PR team to sell its ethics abroad. We actually fucking need the bastards to scare off child like nations such as Korea and Iraq (i´m talking about their government, not the people or cultures) As for Africa etc........ it´ll take a while but it needs the west assisance also, but again... i bet there are far less dead now than 100 years ago. Its tricky because with education and self determination comes the lessing of americas role as caretaker and as these countries take care of themsekves and their economies they will need this "big brother less" structures could occur where America will not be able to interefere and many more could die...... |
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Well said- whilst it's not without its faults, having a ruling superstate is good for most countries. You need someone to keep people like the North Korean govt. in check. Again whilst it might not be doing "enough" to help other, developing, countries it is at least providing some aid. |
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Just because things are better now than they were a 100 years ago... doesn't mean things are perfect now. I can agree with most of what you're saying... but: "The only bloody problem, is its aarogance and double standards and basically it needs a decent PR team to sell its ethics abroad." I think this proves America's "ethics" are not very clean or nice. If they did the right thing, the world would agree with America without the help of a PR-team. |
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Whereas the right-wing conservative thinks that we are "liberating" those other countries, the people of those other countries view the U.S. as an aggressor Imperialist country bent on destroying, pilfering, plundering and subjugating their country. And ultimately, installing a U.S. puppet gov't that ignores the people of that country and instead follows Washington D.C. blindly and wrongly to the detriment of the people of the other country, ALA the Shah of Iran. If Bush is right, and the U.S., with the most powerful conventional army ever in history, needs nuclear weapons, then the North Koreans would be foolish not to develop their own. the North Koreans want national security too |
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nobody will ever agree with em totally. fact of life really... its all about balance and for all the problems there are i would imagine aliens landing would say "hmm, these guys have a tough responsiblity and they really screwed up there and there but in general, they are doing pretty well so far... cos jesus those humans eain´t half trigger happy over religion and land and shit...." |
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the night it happened my friends and i were all scared shitless. id be biased in saying that it was a closer-to-home thing, but id also be lying if i said i wasnt surprised by what i came home from work, to see on the telly. |
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it might be safe to say that my mates were the first to crack jokes about 9/11. its very sad, but people die and theres absolutely nothing that can be done about it. fuck stuff. |
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Atleast 9/11 gave birth to the Patriot Act. Screw your basic rights, you're safe now, Bob. -P |
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Okay... i think you've made a good point :-) i've never looked at America like that before... "hmm, these guys have a tough responsiblity and they really screwed up there and there but in general, they are doing pretty well so far... cos jesus those humans eain´t half trigger happy over religion and land and shit...." Yes, exactly. It is a big responsibility, and i guess we should be happy it is America that is the most powerful country in the world. (imagine what the world would look like if it was a country run by some dictator). But even so... i still think it is a good thing to ask as many questions as possible, and never trust Bush blindly because "he will probably make the right decision." Actually it does scare me that he is the most powerful man in the world... he seems really eager to start fighting. I saw that newspaperphoto where he visited his troups and become all emotional. He just loves his army... and i bet he's looking forward to welcome those heroes back home after they've won the war. I think he has a rather romantic idea of war... the kind of idea you see in some war-movies. And yeah... i find that frightening. I trusted America more when Clinton was still in charge. |
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i agree, George, my funny freind. The other George is extremely unpleasant and one wishes none of that emotional shit was there but its all about votes and stuff.............. the way i see it, he is just a figurehead really and we just gotta hope the boys behind the scenes feed him the correct info to make the correct descisions. Governments are our servants. Thats the number one rule as far as I can see. |
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"Governments are our servants." heh, sometimes one wonders if they also see it that way themselves ;-) |
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of course we take it serious! but life is not only important in new york, it is also in africa, asia or whatever the place |
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KEYFUMBLER, Good points. |
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Its the same when Britain was the dominant power it got all the criticism. Now its the States its a no win situation. |
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the USA has to realise that there is a "rest of the world", and they might not actually WANT american culture and influence forced upon them. 911 was really bad, but it was only really a matter of time before something happened, mainly due to the foreign policy.it wouldnt have been as big a deal if 3000 people died somewhere in a LEDC (less economically developed country) i think...what about all the other countries which only get a passing reference. UK=IRA, spain=ETA, isreal=PLO(i think its called) palestine=isreal,etc. |
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dave_g, Blah blah blah get a life. 9/11 was serious shit, the States deserved nothing. Islamic fundamentalists and middle eastern loony states have been pursuing their terror campaigns against the West since the 70s so this is nothing new. I sometimes wonder with people like you where your allegiances lie. |
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who cares anyway |
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whatever... it's only been a little bit than 3000 deaths, that's not that much is it? it makes me mad when people compair similiar tragedies by the actual number of deaths, it's really degrading to the value we give a life... it's a tradgedy whether 10 or 10,000 people were killed |
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Corngrower, Fair point but its the way it happened. Besides it won't happen again because the next time one of those loony fucks boards a plane to cause havock the passengers will tear him apart (literally) so I think it'll be the terrorist who suffers next time. They had one shot with 9/11 thats it they've shot their bolt so to speak. So to exceed that they'll have to do something more dramatic God knows what, thats why I can honestly appreciate the States going after unstable countries which have a nucleur arms agenda or which harbour or support terrorists. |
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it surprised me that they just needed 12 men with plastic knives to do it... |
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Good point. One death is a tragedy, 3000 deaths is a statistic. 12000 Americans kill each other with firearms each year. promo, you sound like a loyalist paramitilary. The thing you're not seeing is that these people have the conviction to die for their cause. Can you imagine Bush laying down his life for his country? like fuck. |
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Loogie, What the fuck has got the conviction to die for their cause got to do with it? Hardly a life worth living if you're just planning on terrorising innocents instead of making a decent contribution to the world and to society. What bloody contribution do these pyshos actually make to the world. Yeah great contribution dude lets go and murder 3000 innocents because of some fucked up backwards extreme take on religion which is totally in the dark ages. You can't seriously be supporting these loonies? |
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bleh speaking in cliches and repeating things you read of some internet website doeant meant you know shit |
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b0nk, You talking to me? |
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b0nk, So are you gonna dispute what I've said then big mouth? |
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well if you read my message it clearly says "Followup to Loogie: #00516707 " i agree with a lot of your points. |
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