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artist........................commercial NiN...........................Vodafone Velvet Underground....Ford |
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these people are sellouts? i highly doubt that. |
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...so what? i don't care at all if music i like has been used in commercials. (btw, i've already heard afx on tv too.) |
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it's called blanket licencing - it;s part of most big musicians publishing deals ...they have a right to feature your music on most things to whatever extent |
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yeah. big deal. they can make an extra buck, how the hell are they sellouts. now, if they completely compromise their music and style for money, they're sellouts. |
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They're not forced to sign it - no-one will kill them if they do -- |
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exactly - it's the good taste of the licencees that should be applauded |
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They are allowing soulless corporations to trade on their reputation |
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but they won't have any success with the music they work hard to make |
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They're so powerless and spineless that they can't have their contracts rewritten to give them veto on what their music (which they work hard to make) is used to advertise? |
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so you don't use a phone ond you've never been in a bus - or you've never benefitted from the industrialisation of the modern world ? get real |
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oh now come on. if the corporations were soulless they wouldn't have chosen good music. but really, do you actually think that anyone in the music industry doesn't involve themselves with "soulless corporations"? |
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so fucking what - your statements are completley luddite - what do you have against ford or vodaphone - if it was for an anti abotionists - private health services or nike then maybe - but who are you to judge an artist by your remote viewer standards dissapointed? |
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they needed to make money. they're albums haven't gotten any worse because of it. are you really that naive? |
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anyway, its pretty goddamn hard for an artist to completely rewrite their contract. |
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no offence, marlowe, but hasnt this topic been discussed before?...atleast it was on the 9inchnails.com messageboard. trent's always been a sellout, but he's the coolest sellout and he does it with style. also, it may not be up to him?... |
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funding from stuff like advertising alows him to do massive videos for squarepusher and other smaller artists on nothing - i'm sure |
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I've never used a cellphone and I've never owned a car. Zaphod - it's the overpaid advertising agencies who made the adverts, not the corporations themselves. |
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sp isnt on nothing anymore |
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I don't consider having your songs used by corporations being a sellout. Fuck, I'm as elitist and anti-establishment as the next guy, but if someone offers me a million dollars to use my track in a commercial... be my fucking guest. I'll whore myself out just like that, anyone would. It's not 100% commendable, but money is very important, unfortunately. As long as they don't change their style and make art that isn't their own, from their heart, I don't care what they do with it. When I hear a Beatles song in a commercial, I don't think, ''FUCK, Paul! Grow some balls, you sellout!'', I think... ''fuck yeah, nice choice of music, (insert name of corporation here)''. |
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you have travelled by bus though - i presume or on a pane - such a pathertic advert - design agencies pitch for adverts and members of the corporations choose the one they like most - bet your dad has a car or your friends but who cares you are just too cool for school maaaannn |
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i hate advertisement period. |
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Who careS!!!!! IS THE MUSIC GOOD? YEAH? THEN STFU AND LISTEN TO IT! |
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thats closed minded, i see marlowe's point, but who the fuck isnt a sellout in the mainstream? |
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I wipe my ass with leaves. |
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I haven't seen my dad since I was 6 - an then he was a junkie alcoholic -- as for the "too cool for school maaaannn", well that makes no sense at all since you don't know my situation AT ALL. try asking about me before making pathetic assumptions trying to be a smartass. Ophecks, how can you be anti-establishment since you've just admitted you have a price-tag around your neck? |
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in today's day and age who knows what the record companies are doing. theyre probably trying to sellout nin all the time. people, name me one artist that isnt a sellout in the mainstream? |
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honorary mention Martin Scorses - Johnny Walker Ad |
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might as well: boards of canada- bmw |
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what nin song was used in the ad? just curious cos nin's never been on an american commercial asides from movie ads (they even sued gatorade for ripping off "down in it" years ago), but i believe you. i'm w/ ophecks tho.. artists have to make money and unfortunately when you don't have the benefit of radio airplay (like nin don't in america) then sometimes you have to make compromises. keep in mind trent has 2 bands (nin and tapeworm), a label, a studio, and web sites to run. |
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Welcome back marlowe, I feel you have more more potential in you than rehashing tired old topics. |
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aphex twin- 4 ---mtv 'anti drug commercial' nin- the perfect drug, titsworth |
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"much more" dammit |
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good point ophecks. of course, Michael Jackson owns the Beatles catalogue, so it wouldn't exactly be Pauls fault if they air on a commercial. |
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Thanx Whaley - but these are two new ads that I've seen - I was merely adding to the already humungous tally. My next thread will be about My Favourite JellyBaby |
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I don't LIKE to support the corps, but you gotta do what you gotta do to support yourself... so they get a song... so what. They'll continue to thrive whether or not Trent helps them anyway. He may as well milk their sorry asses for a ton of money. I'm realistic and I know anyone, including me (even if I'd like to have enough overflowing pride to turn it down), would whore themselves out, it would be dumb for your livelihood if you didn't. I look out for number one, and that's ME. Damn right I've got a price around my neck! I wish McDonalds and Walmart would offer me millions to use my awful music in their ads! :-) |
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You won't even find The Beatles songs in 60s compilations, let alone commercials. And I don't think I've heard an MJ song in a commercial either |
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That's where we differ I guess - I'd rather look out for US than ME |
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michael jackson used to have a huge deal with pepsi in the 80s. i bet lots of ads would use his music today if 1) it wasn't so costly to license and 2) if people still saw him as a viable artist. |
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sell out? so? they sell music in the first place the go on tour and charge money it is not like they are gods and their music is holy it was sold in the first place |
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I just heard Come Together on a phone commercial the other day! I hear Beatles on commericals all the time. Granted, they're always COVERS, never the actual recording. And yeah, I guess that IS where we differ. For me, if given the choice between keeping my dignity, or getting cash to support myself and my family and whoever PLUS get musical exposure, I know what I'm choosing, life is too short to carry out vendettas against fast food chains, I want mine and my loved ones lives to be as comfy as possible. But I see your point and I'm not really arguing with you or anything, it's a valid opinion, we just have different ones. You're just damned if you do and damned if you don't, I guess. |
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The Beatles ?? who are they ? |
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I should also add that I'm not SELLING my dignity or anything, I feel dignified either way. ;-) *dignified pose while stroking stuffed wallet |
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i think there's a wee difference between artists who blatantly promote products to suit their own needs. (example:Britney Spears endorsing Pepsi) She chooses to do that because the more her face is on TV, the more money she makes. However, If Aphex's music was on an ad. I wouldnt really care, because how many people would know it was him?? Hardly anyone at all. Plus, Aphex isnt going to become a Millionaire sell-out, is he? It just means his music is on TV, thats all. |
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i'm with ophecks cos if i had my music playing in ads it's not like i'd feel a connection to the company's policies, i'm still my only person. i don't crticize moby much for putting all 18 songs of 'play' in ads cos i understand his point about exposure. the problem for me was that it was OVERexposure - i already had the album, and due to the media overload i was sick of it by the end of the year. also, his ad strategy stuck out like a sore thumb to be due to his vehemently anti-corporation, pro-human rights, pro-environmental essays. |
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The first thing that comes to my mind when I see that vodafone advert is "Fucking hell I hate mobiles"; The second thing is "Fucking hell I hate Nine Inch Nails", and the third is "I hate them both even more now" |
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I think the real deal is Marlowe is watching people more talented than him making money...and he isn't. ;.) He should change his name to brokenwhiny... Agreed with the more thoughtful posters...An unfortunate fact of life is COMPROMISE...These artists are lucky, and far be it from someone with goals in life not to take an edge and use it for all its worth...The way the media treats talented artists these days is atrocious, who could blame them for taking something given to them in exchange for a few non-fraternizing favors? There is always the chance of backfire (that cunt Moby), but better that than being held back by circumstances beyond your control... Really, some pathetic whiners some of guys are. Shut up already! :.P |
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yeh me too ! when i hear people talki g about nin i think "why" when i hear people talking on mobiles - same response |
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Overzealous cell phone users are one of the signs of the Apocolypse you know... ;.) |
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well people who are a bit desperate to stay in contact with everyone - what happened to time for yourself as a concept |
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