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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 07:34 [#00362783]
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I know this is fun even though we're nerds that don't know anything.
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:35 [#00362784]
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LOL true that
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:35 [#00362785]
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i wonder what nasa would think of our 'observations'?
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:36 [#00362788]
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Ive seen these people on tv in this show talking about time travel...bringing up THE MOST abstract concepts you ever heard...further than further out. so far out you might actually think its true.
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:36 [#00362789]
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whats everyone's idea on time travel?
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 07:37 [#00362791]
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they'd make a parody out of us and publish a book highlighting our stupidity explicitly
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:38 [#00362792]
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lol
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-08-24 07:38 [#00362793]
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we're doing it right now aren't we - i mean travelling in time ??
makes sense that we could speed it up (relative to some point), but backwards is the real problem i envision.
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:38 [#00362794]
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AphexTwin.nu The Stupidest Things You've Ever Heard Volume 1
lol ;)
jk
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 07:40 [#00362796]
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If actions proceeded to the present, then logically it must be theoretically possible for them to go in reverse? But to go forard in time doesn't make sense to me, the actions havn't taken place yet.
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:41 [#00362799]
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fast forward and rewind time. which would have to bring up that time is like a tape. Hmm...you have to stop tape to FF and RW though...so you have to stop time imo. or maybe time is like a cd. we might be able to 'skip years' to various marks in a 'time knot' to land at. THATS FREAKY!!!!!!!!
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 07:42 [#00362802]
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whoa, weird analogies.
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:42 [#00362803]
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yeah they have. if you were to become something different your time traveling would be considered time. it hasn't changed for you. its like fast forwarding a tape or something.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-08-24 07:43 [#00362804]
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actions ARE the present .. i mean to avoid getting into identity issues and that - it seems that YOU will always be in the present, but relative to others you can go into the future or the past?? (ie. relative to some past or future reference point)
logically? all depends what you mean by that term no?
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 07:43 [#00362805]
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time backward moving pictures are cool (puddles fly up to the sky as rain... a guy leaps out of a pool with a reverse spalsh backwards up to a diving board and walks off backwards...)
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:44 [#00362807]
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if we stop time...we can do anything to it
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:45 [#00362808]
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Korban: my EXACT ideas! you always are in the present regardless
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 07:45 [#00362809]
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Yeah, I agree, the present is the only thing that really exists... if we "went backwards", we'd still be going forward in time, just reversing the actions... actually this makes the concept of "time" just seem like a handy phenomenon to use to explain action or something
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:46 [#00362812]
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would jumping through time go as w M w described or would we go through a worm hole...or would the new time just appear?
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-08-24 07:47 [#00362815]
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yeah :)
just like travelling at the speed of light, if you look at your clock it will still tick away as it always has, but for a "stationary" observer it will have stopped. (although it seems to me, that for you, that stationary observer is travelling at the speed of light, in which case his watch would have come to a halt). mmhh.. time is quite a cool littel concept
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:47 [#00362816]
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since you can't see time...since you can't see anything happen when you rewind a tape or fast forward a cd, you might not see anything...just like when silence becomes sound. your present state's location from one time to another might be silence to something you see instantly.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-08-24 07:49 [#00362821]
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i don't know the exact details of the physics involved, but if time is a dimension, as the previous 3 dimensions are - it seems that our time (ie relative to some reference point) ought to be equally maleable as a brick or something, breaking a brick doesn't destroy the dimension ..
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:50 [#00362824]
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light isn't faster than time cause light travels at so and so speed. if you were to travel at the speed of light your watch would not stop. how could it? it would be sped up to compensate for the area loss no?
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-08-24 07:50 [#00362828]
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anyway .. i'm really off now :)
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:52 [#00362830]
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I believe time is a dimension. we are both in it and not. if we were ABSOLUTELY in it...we'd have control over it in a way. we are merely moving in it.
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:52 [#00362831]
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good night korban! thanks for the chat
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 07:54 [#00362834]
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Okay, suppose you shine a flashlight in two directions... relative to the light of flashilight one, the light from flashlight 2 is going TWICE the speed of light!!
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:55 [#00362838]
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no its not cause its pointed in the opposite direction. light from the other flashlight doesn't give it a 'boost'. light cant go faster than its current speed otherwise it would spread out in to its foundations and we'd have rainbows everywhere!!! think about it...that would be hecka trippy.
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:56 [#00362839]
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prisms slow down and re-direct light right? so if we slow down light it would either dim or re-direct itself
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 07:57 [#00362842]
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Good thread BTW...
I like the way we're exploring all the unanswerable questions....
korban: yep..I agree with the sad fact we have to communicate using Language...it's a big limiter...I have a theory that the purpose of Art is to communicate those things that Language could never do...
(but then I guess Art is a language of sorts anyway...)
you guys ever readmuch popular science books?....I could list a few good ones on these subjects if anyone is interested....
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:58 [#00362843]
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if light went faster than itself it would probabl dim because it would be too fast for our eyes. its speed is just the right speed for our eyes to catch. just like like how frames from cartoons are set at the right speed. any faster and it doesn't look good..any slower and you get frame loss...and it doesn't look good
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:58 [#00362844]
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please do Jand! :)
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 08:01 [#00362845]
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yeah recommend some books, nonfiction too maybe. (do you make art jand?)
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 08:02 [#00362846]
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(oh, you didn't imply fiction... good)
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 08:03 [#00362848]
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Here's a thought to think on:
The earth travels at like 1000 MPH right? what if it was slowed down? I think of it as us being in a car...we're traveling at a 100 MPH...we're happy and all that. We hit a tree at we're slowed down to 5 MPH...some of us arn't wearing seat belts and they shoot through the front window. if the earth was suddenly halted i think we'd shoot off probably no? scary. gravity keeps us down...and so does the earths speed. think of it. if we didn't move would there still be gravity? we can't check cause the earth is moving. we can go into space but then we're weightless...and space doesn't move. so if theres no movement on earth..hmmm...any ideas on this one?
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 08:04 [#00362850]
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and yeah, I believe in Time Travel....seems to be the best explanation of UFOs/Aliens etc (they are visitors from the future...)....
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 08:05 [#00362854]
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aliens? no such things.
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 08:06 [#00362857]
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human form couldn't change that much
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 08:07 [#00362861]
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i serious think and despise the future of humans is becoming cyborgs...having mechanical implants....its scary and something i dont' want to think about. read magazines and whatever and its like have this thing implanted or that thing. i hate the idea.
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 08:09 [#00362862]
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that first line didn't make anysense. but its tippsy hour...12 o clock so nothing from now on will be fluent enough for you peole. so im off to bed!! stayed up and thought on hard subjects as long as i could. night everyone!!!
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 08:12 [#00362865]
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ha, ufo's are future human technology... that's good stuff :)
Well the people on the opposite side of the direction of the planet's movement don't go flying off, but I guess that's because it's not accelerating or decelerating, just moving... that'd be cool if it stopped, all unattached objects on the back would be smushed and the others would fly off.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 08:13 [#00362866]
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heh heh, later then.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 08:16 [#00362869]
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so the purpose of art is communication... Is it necessary to communicate to someone else or can you use your own sensory system to communicate it to yourself at a later time (observe your own artwork later).... I guess communication is absolutely necessary in art.
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 08:24 [#00362881]
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[read my new post on why im still up]
you can't really truely learn from yourself from your own art...you made it. i said can't really cause autechre themselves stated they still hear new things from their music.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2002-08-24 10:45 [#00363137]
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yo jand .. well yeah, "communication" is really bottle neck imo, so as soon as art or anything becomes communication it has the same pit-falls with signs, signals, language and such ..
sort of like a necessary component of communication.
in a sense something could only have meaning in a very personal sense, like an emotion, but then one couldn't even call it that :)
apparently, if all chinese people (and I'm sure it now applies to indians as well) were to stomp their feet on the ground simultaneously it would send the earth out of orbit !!! (although they probably have to do it all in one spot which is sort of impossible).
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