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constructing from smaller units is "better"?
 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 07:34 [#00362783]
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I know this is fun even though we're nerds that don't know
anything.


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:35 [#00362784]
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LOL true that


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:35 [#00362785]
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i wonder what nasa would think of our 'observations'?


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:36 [#00362788]
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Ive seen these people on tv in this show talking about time
travel...bringing up THE MOST abstract concepts you ever
heard...further than further out. so far out you might
actually think its true.


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:36 [#00362789]
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whats everyone's idea on time travel?


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 07:37 [#00362791]
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they'd make a parody out of us and publish a book
highlighting our stupidity explicitly


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:38 [#00362792]
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lol


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2002-08-24 07:38 [#00362793]
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we're doing it right now aren't we - i mean travelling in
time ??

makes sense that we could speed it up (relative to some
point), but backwards is the real problem i envision.


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:38 [#00362794]
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AphexTwin.nu
The Stupidest Things You've Ever Heard
Volume 1

lol ;)

jk


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 07:40 [#00362796]
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If actions proceeded to the present, then logically it must
be theoretically possible for them to go in reverse? But to
go forard in time doesn't make sense to me, the actions
havn't taken place yet.


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:41 [#00362799]
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fast forward and rewind time. which would have to bring up
that time is like a tape. Hmm...you have to stop tape to FF
and RW though...so you have to stop time imo. or maybe time
is like a cd. we might be able to 'skip years' to various
marks in a 'time knot' to land at. THATS FREAKY!!!!!!!!


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 07:42 [#00362802]
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whoa, weird analogies.


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:42 [#00362803]
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yeah they have. if you were to become something different
your time traveling would be considered time. it hasn't
changed for you. its like fast forwarding a tape or
something.


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2002-08-24 07:43 [#00362804]
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actions ARE the present .. i mean to avoid getting into
identity issues and that - it seems that YOU will always be
in the present, but relative to others you can go into the
future or the past?? (ie. relative to some past or future
reference point)

logically? all depends what you mean by that term no?


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 07:43 [#00362805]
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time backward moving pictures are cool (puddles fly up to
the sky as rain... a guy leaps out of a pool with a reverse
spalsh backwards up to a diving board and walks off
backwards...)


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:44 [#00362807]
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if we stop time...we can do anything to it


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:45 [#00362808]
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Korban: my EXACT ideas! you always are in the present
regardless


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 07:45 [#00362809]
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Yeah, I agree, the present is the only thing that really
exists... if we "went backwards", we'd still be going
forward in time, just reversing the actions... actually this
makes the concept of "time" just seem like a handy
phenomenon to use to explain action or something


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:46 [#00362812]
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would jumping through time go as w M w described or would we
go through a worm hole...or would the new time just appear?


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2002-08-24 07:47 [#00362815]
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yeah :)

just like travelling at the speed of light, if you look at
your clock it will still tick away as it always has, but for
a "stationary" observer it will have stopped. (although it
seems to me, that for you, that stationary observer is
travelling at the speed of light, in which case his watch
would have come to a halt). mmhh.. time is quite a cool
littel concept


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:47 [#00362816]
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since you can't see time...since you can't see anything
happen when you rewind a tape or fast forward a cd, you
might not see anything...just like when silence becomes
sound. your present state's location from one time to
another might be silence to something you see instantly.


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2002-08-24 07:49 [#00362821]
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i don't know the exact details of the physics involved, but
if time is a dimension, as the previous 3 dimensions are -
it seems that our time (ie relative to some reference point)
ought to be equally maleable as a brick or something,
breaking a brick doesn't destroy the dimension ..


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:50 [#00362824]
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light isn't faster than time cause light travels at so and
so speed. if you were to travel at the speed of light your
watch would not stop. how could it? it would be sped up to
compensate for the area loss no?


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2002-08-24 07:50 [#00362828]
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anyway .. i'm really off now :)


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:52 [#00362830]
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I believe time is a dimension. we are both in it and not.
if we were ABSOLUTELY in it...we'd have control over it in a
way. we are merely moving in it.


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:52 [#00362831]
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good night korban! thanks for the chat


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 07:54 [#00362834]
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Okay, suppose you shine a flashlight in two directions...
relative to the light of flashilight one, the light from
flashlight 2 is going TWICE the speed of light!!


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:55 [#00362838]
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no its not cause its pointed in the opposite direction.
light from the other flashlight doesn't give it a 'boost'.
light cant go faster than its current speed otherwise it
would spread out in to its foundations and we'd have
rainbows everywhere!!! think about it...that would be hecka
trippy.


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:56 [#00362839]
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prisms slow down and re-direct light right? so if we slow
down light it would either dim or re-direct itself


 

offline jand from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 07:57 [#00362842]
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Good thread BTW...

I like the way we're exploring all the unanswerable
questions....

korban: yep..I agree with the sad fact we have to
communicate using Language...it's a big limiter...I have a
theory that the purpose of Art is to communicate those
things that Language could never do...

(but then I guess Art is a language of sorts anyway...)

you guys ever readmuch popular science books?....I could
list a few good ones on these subjects if anyone is
interested....



 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:58 [#00362843]
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if light went faster than itself it would probabl dim
because it would be too fast for our eyes. its speed is just
the right speed for our eyes to catch. just like like how
frames from cartoons are set at the right speed. any faster
and it doesn't look good..any slower and you get frame
loss...and it doesn't look good


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 07:58 [#00362844]
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please do Jand! :)


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 08:01 [#00362845]
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yeah recommend some books, nonfiction too maybe. (do you
make art jand?)


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 08:02 [#00362846]
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(oh, you didn't imply fiction... good)


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 08:03 [#00362848]
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Here's a thought to think on:

The earth travels at like 1000 MPH right? what if it was
slowed down? I think of it as us being in a car...we're
traveling at a 100 MPH...we're happy and all that. We hit a
tree at we're slowed down to 5 MPH...some of us arn't
wearing seat belts and they shoot through the front window.
if the earth was suddenly halted i think we'd shoot off
probably no? scary. gravity keeps us down...and so does
the earths speed. think of it. if we didn't move would
there still be gravity? we can't check cause the earth is
moving. we can go into space but then we're weightless...and
space doesn't move. so if theres no movement on
earth..hmmm...any ideas on this one?


 

offline jand from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 08:04 [#00362850]
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and yeah, I believe in Time Travel....seems to be the best
explanation of UFOs/Aliens etc (they are visitors from the
future...)....



 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 08:05 [#00362854]
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aliens? no such things.


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 08:06 [#00362857]
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human form couldn't change that much


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 08:07 [#00362861]
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i serious think and despise the future of humans is becoming
cyborgs...having mechanical implants....its scary and
something i dont' want to think about. read magazines and
whatever and its like have this thing implanted or that
thing. i hate the idea.


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 08:09 [#00362862]
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that first line didn't make anysense. but its tippsy
hour...12 o clock so nothing from now on will be fluent
enough for you peole. so im off to bed!! stayed up and
thought on hard subjects as long as i could. night
everyone!!!


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 08:12 [#00362865]
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ha, ufo's are future human technology... that's good stuff
:)

Well the people on the opposite side of the direction of the
planet's movement don't go flying off, but I guess that's
because it's not accelerating or decelerating, just
moving... that'd be cool if it stopped, all unattached
objects on the back would be smushed and the others would
fly off.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 08:13 [#00362866]
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heh heh, later then.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-24 08:16 [#00362869]
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so the purpose of art is communication... Is it necessary to
communicate to someone else or can you use your own sensory
system to communicate it to yourself at a later time
(observe your own artwork later).... I guess communication
is absolutely necessary in art.


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-08-24 08:24 [#00362881]
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[read my new post on why im still up]

you can't really truely learn from yourself from your own
art...you made it. i said can't really cause autechre
themselves stated they still hear new things from their
music.



 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2002-08-24 10:45 [#00363137]
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yo jand .. well yeah, "communication" is really bottle neck
imo, so as soon as art or anything becomes communication it
has the same pit-falls with signs, signals, language and
such ..

sort of like a necessary component of communication.

in a sense something could only have meaning in a very
personal sense, like an emotion, but then one couldn't even
call it that :)

apparently, if all chinese people (and I'm sure it now
applies to indians as well) were to stomp their feet on the
ground simultaneously it would send the earth out of orbit
!!! (although they probably have to do it all in one spot
which is sort of impossible).


 


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