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It's right there at http://www.textz.com in its entirety just scroll down to William S Burroughs... |
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hmm, cool. Is that illegal?! |
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can't be legal, even though a lot of these works probably are public domain in some sense... so what is the difference between this and the library? just copy the book and read it on your laptop.... some major issues here............. |
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Oh yeah *forgets temporarily about how I could rent if free from a library anyway |
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I don't know this is painfully confusing reading. It's probably meaningless but I lack the motivation to really decipher what's being said. I find some of your weird subconscious brain doodles more interesting. Maybe you need a history of using drugs to connect with this or something. I havn't read much to have much of a credible opinion. |
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hmm..persevere wMw..the rewards are mucho if you just cruise along.. the confusin may have arised because of the cut up and foldin techniques he uses..are you familiar with that? |
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why waste the paper? OR why spend hours staring at a screen? hey wait i do that already.. |
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what cut and fold techniques? weird.. i just started reading naked lunch.. but i spent $12 on my copy! |
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sucka! |
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Burroughs just sort of "remixed" his somewhat random writing, moving written parts around into different sequences, different order, randomly... it is not a linear novel, it is not an easy read... its a total mindfuck |
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yes thank you Ubik.. they actually set about (Burroughs and Brion Gysin) cutting up bits of Burroughs writing along with other texts (there's even some Kafka in there if I remeber correctly)..and reorganized and rearranged the stuff..this juxtaposition of totally different contexts has effectivelt the effect of combining enitelry seperate realities (after all each of an author's writing is essentially their own creation and universe that they populate and construct godlike)..and hence eventuating into new levels of consciousness and existence... |
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oh, cool... the funny thing is..ive done the same thing to posts on this messageboard |
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Those posts were entertaining, maybe you should publish it, heh heh. |
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yeah I wanna have a look at it too.. I think the cut and fold in text would be a lot more efficient in the current state with word processors and the handy cut and paste functions..the cut up can go right down to the bone so to speak..and rearrange the singular unit of test..the word itself..hence my constant..playing around and creating new words..:) |
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syntax is overrated anyway |
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u could just type random letters, then it's reduced to the visual right-brained aesthetic of the form of the letters... otto von schirach talks all cut up in interviews |
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that's why I have been insisting you read Burroughs.. he has a theory of language being a virus..a tyranical tool that is used to control and mould our thought..and by breaking up and cutting apart the rules of the language we are taking the first step towards taking control of our own perceptions.. I mean why is a chair a chair?..why is fear fear?..because it has been written...why isnt a chair a buttcasing?..why isnt fear lollywolly? |
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yes, they construct new seperate realities and actually just sort of set about cutting up somewhat random bits of universe and essentially populate total mindfuck constructs eventuating into linear , enitelry godlike creations |
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universe of random populate bits construct godlike constructs yes, somewhat seperate realities and actually just sort of total mindfuck and essentially set about cutting up creations eventuating into linear , enitrety |
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Dawkin's mad theories and insights had him going on about how all life might possibly be unified by the single characteristic of anything that replicates copies of itself... he coined "meme" to mean a unit of cultural inheritence and totally bashed the religion meme, it kicked ass. Something fun to do is take a huge taboo or super powerful word and redefine it... like the definition of god is now that tool you use to clean up dog feces, a pooper scooper... it's makes it clear how god is just a syllable made with the back of the throat and the tongue of a human's mouth... if the conventional definition of god exists why pray to him, can he understand "english" a bunch of tongue and mouth vocal sounds that evolved unique to humans alone? |
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somewhat seperate universe essentially sort of total mindfuck cutting realities up godlike constructs seperate random popular bits eventuating enitrely linear creations |
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Or what if a pooper scooper is god? hmm... |
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I got to trace out some Dawkins sometimes..I am familiars with the concepts of memes and what you are describing is also called a Media Virus |
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god is dog reversed also the deity sirius |
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realities just sort of fuck up minds, godlike constructs seperate bits of random creations actually, populate realities set about linear universes essentially cutting up enitrety |
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I think the thing about the selfish gene that's so good, is mostly the... artist genius behind it, just letting his brain fractals strangle you... the objectivity of the material doesn't matter as much (though everything he says is convincing to me), it's the way he says it with so much imagination and thought, it's like a super entertaining brain workout, it aids you visualize complex weird things and puts me in the mood to create. |
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mad theories and insights anything that replicates a unit of cultural inheritence clean up dog feces a huge taboo at the back of the throat and the tongue |
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The Selfish Gene is that name of his book? |
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You're good at that wayout, heh heh. u still have soulseek? I don't |
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yeash, the selfish gene, get the newer edition if you want cuz it has new chapters and endnotes that are about 1/4 of the book length in addition. I'm going to eventually read all dawkins stuff, that's the only one i read so far. |
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poetry is the most turned on language |
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I will kkep an out..actually I will leave it on a dish and place at an oppertune place in the bookshop where they are likely to shelve it....I hope there is like an astral link so I dont have to invest in fibre optiks.because fleshy optiks are fine by me and I happen to have two so what the hey..I just hope someone doesnt actually put a book on top of it and squish it..would I still feel the pain with it detached from my body..I dont know..and how would my brain compute and rationalize two totally different sets of visual inputs..one from the bookshop and the other from say my kitchen..with it be like a montage or a collage that my mind would be presented with or a superimposition of one image on top of the other and which one will take the foreground and which one will take the back?..hmmm... |
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that's supposed to say..I will keep an eye out and so on and so forth |
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bye I am back |
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Doesn't anyone have augmented optics yet... like ones that can zoom in and out like binoculars? I'd get that cyborg enhancement... probably not actaully. |
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ill have to check out dawkins..will look for his book tomorrow when i go to the rectangular space within the larger rectangle where they sell the smaller rectangles, made out of paper, for even smaller rectangles made out of green paper... naked lunch looks to be an interesting book, though..im only just starting it though... its really hard for me to sit down and read for some reason... especially with the temptation to get on the computer or go outside or something...the only time i was ever able to sit and read a book over a few days was right after moving in the winter, before the computer and cable were hooked up... and i was reading the hitchikers guide...which is hard to put down anyways...have either of you read that?... its probably one of my favorite books ever... |
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actually...reading naked lunch reminds me a bit of reading a clockwork orange... they both take some getting used to.. since theyre both written in really unconventional ways... clockwork being mostly in "nadsat" and naked lunch being all chopped up... |
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You've done it! someone finally successfully reduced the universe to it's ultimate constituents, rectangles! I bought hitchhikers guide recently (have you read the rest of the series?) it's sitting on the floor in my room, I have yet to open it up. |
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that'd be cool to take a video camera to some 3d environment and make 2 videos, one of a counter clockwise slow turn and one of a clockwise slow turn... then fashion some sort of videogoggles and play one in one goggle (singular of plural goggles?) and the other in the other goggle... that'd be trippy... |
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'twould... ive only read the first one and most of the second... i had to return it to the library before i finished it...and have yet to go back and get it... i still havent finished the unteleported man...which i read the majority of 2 years ago ..stupid library and their 1 renewal limit... |
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...or better yet...film a clockwise turn and a counterclockwise turn and then mix them together into one view...now that would be trippy...im going to have to try that when i take a digital video course this year |
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Yeah Burgess's reframing of context in an invented languauge is another Subversive literalry landmark..just why the film was such a shocker..when the events described in the "nadsat" when rendered in a medium which doesnt require our own brain to render and illustrate and give meaning to (i.e films) it was practically unacceptable material..while the Novel is an acknowledged literary classic by then |
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What a thread! anyways. i dont' have longe so i'll make this s bit breief. I once caught a bit of the vid version of this book WAY back when, and i just thought it was some sorta cool sci-fi flick that had some really shitty parts (that i can remember...cool=guy typing on some sorta snot nosed alien head typewriter, that seemed to give him advice/guidance, horrible=the sex crazed lobster alien getting busy with some guy and gal, and some random dominatrix had to fend him off). [please correct me on these two memories becuase that's all i can remember.] I never really read much in my post highschool years (in terms of full texts, most of my reading have been comprised form various "bit sized" sources), but i'm doing so now, and must ask this; should i read the book first? go add this title to the "classics i have yet to see" section of my rental list the next time i'm at my local blockbuster? |
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the movie could easily be covered in about two pages of the book..the two are vastly different..Naked Lunch the book is huge vast and boundless...while Naked Lunch the movie is a brilliant but limited visual cue..it did a great job of visualising Interzone..Benway the bug powder etc..generally the atmosphere..but beyond that..the book has no chronology..it's hundreds of little tales loosely tied together (if at all)...Naked Lunch the movie..is basically like a surreal version of Buroughs's biography if told in the Naked Lunch cosmology... I hope this is making sense..in short..no reading and watching the movie in any order wont make any difference..but if you read the book after the movie..it will help congeal the scenario..the streets and street life of Interzone..the devolutin and mutations etc.. |
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bollocks you just reminded me i leant my naked lunch out to this student kid i knew and never got it back. personally, i prefer 'the soft machine' - MUCH more cutup in that, much more personal to burroughs, much less stupid showy homoerotic hanging sequences with centipedes/mugwumps... "The Man Who Taught His Asshole to Talk" and "Dr. Benway Operates" never fail to absolutely crack me up though - esp. when burroughs was reading them himself. Anyone heard his spoken word stuff? |
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I read one, random page from my g/f's copy and thought "I'll never get through this". |
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yes I own some on CD..and I agree the cut up blossoms and shines and is expanded on the sunbsequent novels but if you havent read Naked Lunch..you will be so bloody lost...Naked Lunch is the door via which you enter..The Ticket that Exploded is also absolutely bonkers and brilliant..and about those sequences being funny..yes that's the idea..Burroughs sees himself as a satirist more than anything else...I love the mugwump sequences..and yes..the hangings still shock more than anything commited to paper yet..that's powerful..5 decades lates.. jonesy..you just gotta try it.. |
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Is it hard work? |
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no you gotta relax with it..enjoy it a bit at a time..there's no logic no rationale..no morals..no plots..no twists...It just is..you can even read it in any order you want to..a lot of them are just shocking funny, madly surreal and hilareous little snippets... it's the opposite of hard works..it's like doing drugs without actually doing them..you just feel your head open... |
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I'll give it a go then. When he shot his wife, did he kill her? |
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