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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-09 01:08 [#00342441]
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I think the first step towards redemption for chesimone would be to stop the practice of blanket stereotyping...attributing the crimes of Zionists on all jews is just as bad as calling every Muslim a terrorist..
Zionists are an entirely different species from the rest of the Jewish community..they are the equivalent of the KKK in Christian garb..
They have an imperialistic, expansionist agenda all their own which has little to do with the plight of the Jewish people..as proven by their refusal to help the inhabitants of concentration camps in WWII when an escapee gave them ample intelligence and know how to do so..they instead prefered to use their resources towards their interests in Jerusalem
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Martytan
from somewhere in upstate new york (United States) on 2002-08-09 01:18 [#00342446]
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i completely agree....
so, the moral of the story is: stereotypes/generalizations suck.
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outside_ninja
from ninjaland (I touch no-one and on 2002-08-09 01:41 [#00342475]
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Isn't a moral a generalisation?
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teknoterrorist
from United States on 2002-08-09 04:07 [#00342555]
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"I think America had it coming, I was not surprised at all."
Yeah really, I bunch of innocent people going to work just trying to make a living, really had it coming to them.
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Smyrma
from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2002-08-09 05:05 [#00342575]
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chesimone: Your views disgust me. I don't understand how someone can despise an entire group of people because of what a few powerful individuals have done. I hope you are banned.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-09 07:17 [#00342633]
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+Yeah really, I bunch of innocent people going to work just
trying to make a living, really had it coming to them.+
you also just described the millions of victims in Hiroshima and Nagasaki..
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-09 08:06 [#00342661]
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What are you, some anti semitic neo-nazi?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-09 08:13 [#00342666]
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I think this guy has a reasonable grievance against the Zionist state of Israel and its despicable treatment of the Palestinains, but he's not mature enough to see that it has nothing to do with religion or Jewish people per se. There are more Jews in New York State than in Israel so any equation with Zionism and Jewish people in gerneral is proposterous. As Flea said, during WWII the Zionists blocked Jewish migration to the US and did little/nothing to help the Jews fleeing persecution. Their plans have always been about expansionism and nothing to do with the fate of Jewish people.
I don't think he is genuinely anti-semitic, just really confused. Maybe he'll get his worldview sorted out in time.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-09 08:18 [#00342671]
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Yep, Israel is to Judaism is as Britain is to Christianity.
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teknoterrorist
from United States on 2002-08-09 09:41 [#00342755]
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What in the fuck is your problem Flea? Everytime someone posts something, you gotta go and say some anti-us bullshit. Btw, we dropped flyers and told Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the Japanese empire that we we're going to drop the bombs. I mean that still doesn't justify droping em, but where was the warning for the us? Two totaly diffrent situations, it's stupid to compare the two. If we hadn't of dropped the bomb, then we would of had to invade Japan, creating tremendous amounts of casualties on both sides. It was the best choice to make at the time back then.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-09 09:46 [#00342758]
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Complete bullshit of course. The war was pretty much over and the only reason the US dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was to say "we're the new rulers of the world now. Don't fuck with us". I've put it rather crudely but that's what it amounts to.
And what of the bombs dropped on Vietnam tek? The US dropped more bombs on Vietnam than all the bombs dropped by both sides during both world wars. And for what end?
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teknoterrorist
from United States on 2002-08-09 09:57 [#00342763]
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Jonesy, you're so full of shit your eyes are brown. The only reasons were:
To end the war quickley and lessen casualties.
To beat the communists to the punch.
And revenge for pearl harbor.
As for vietnam, no one even talking about it, and it's totaly out of context.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-09 10:02 [#00342769]
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Well if we're talking about US bombing then I think it couldn't be more relevant. It illustrates a consistency in US military action.
But then you're a dumb-ass patriot with your head so far up your arse you don't know your history.
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teknoterrorist
from United States on 2002-08-09 10:07 [#00342774]
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We wern't talking about US bombings ya fucking cum guzzler. We were talking about the comparison between the WTC, and Hiroshima. But then again you're just another one of those educated pompus ass britts that probably has their head up Bin Laden's ass.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-09 10:07 [#00342775]
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Fight fight fight fight!
"To end the war quickley and lessen casualties. " On the american side :)
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-09 10:09 [#00342781]
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Well what's wrong with being educated?
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teknoterrorist
from United States on 2002-08-09 10:11 [#00342786]
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Well, you're not, you just think you are.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-09 10:11 [#00342787]
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No, no. I am.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-09 10:12 [#00342790]
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Worker's self education? Don't make me laugh. Unless you went to Oxford you don't know a thing ;)
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teknoterrorist
from United States on 2002-08-09 10:13 [#00342792]
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Lol, even if he did go to oxford.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-09 10:13 [#00342793]
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I went to the University of Life.
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teknoterrorist
from United States on 2002-08-09 10:16 [#00342795]
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And I went to the university of death, boy would I like to demonstrate what I learned there on you.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-09 10:19 [#00342797]
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I went to Glamorgan, so don't mess with my massive intellect! (Any people from Wales should find this amusing- Glamorgan is an ex-polytechnic that is only any good for computing and law, if you say you're from glamorgan without specifying which degree you're doing they assume you're a drop out bum)
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teknoterrorist
from United States on 2002-08-09 10:23 [#00342801]
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Damn, you look too young to be in, or out of college. But the again, you guys star college earlier I think.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-09 10:28 [#00342804]
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Ha ha, and when I wear a suit people think I'm older than I am.
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teknoterrorist
from United States on 2002-08-09 10:33 [#00342808]
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Damn it's 3:30am over here, I gtg to bed. This "dumb-ass patriot" has to work tomorrow.
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teknoterrorist
from United States on 2002-08-09 10:34 [#00342809]
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Damn it's 3:30am over here, I gtg to bed. This "dumb-ass patriot" has to work tomorrow.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-09 10:34 [#00342810]
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I loathe academic snobbery.
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teknoterrorist
from United States on 2002-08-09 10:34 [#00342811]
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Damn it's 3:30am over here, I gtg to bed. This "dumb-ass patriot" has to work tomorrow.
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teknoterrorist
from United States on 2002-08-09 10:36 [#00342812]
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Wtf? it posted 3 times. Anyway, Goodnight.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-09 10:36 [#00342814]
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It's great isn't it? One of my friends has a 2:1 in Law from Bristol, he cannot get a placement as he has an inner city london accent. Another of my friends has a 2:2 in Law from Bristol, he *can* get a placement as he has a middle class accent and plays golf.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-09 10:38 [#00342817]
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Tell your 2:1 mate to work on his accent and invest in some golf trousers.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-09 10:38 [#00342819]
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G'night.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-09 10:38 [#00342820]
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Don't forget to wank over a copy of Guns and Ammo before you go to bed eh?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-09 10:40 [#00342822]
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Maybe he should join the young tories too, that would no doubt help him (I forgot to mention the 2:2 mate is a young tory).
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-09 10:51 [#00342834]
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you associate with people right across the political spectrum eh?
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Quernstone
from Padova (Italy) on 2002-08-09 10:58 [#00342838]
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yeah Ceri I remember a while back you saying you were at a young tories bash. I have my suspcions young man
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-09 11:02 [#00342842]
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Suspicions?! This guy is a fully paid-up member of the Anne Widdecombe fan club and he runs a website dedicated to her.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-09 11:08 [#00342848]
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Ha ha, on my first weekend in Bristol I had nothing to do so I tagged along with 2 mates to the young tories bash. The people were elitist, ill informed and boring. The guest speaker (some nondescript old tory back bencher) was talking about drug abuse in prison and was using info years out of date. I was quick to point this out to him in the "point of information" format of debates. After that people pretty much left me alone for the rest of the night. Although I did nearly burn someon with my irish coffee...
Jonesy: Anne Widecombe is a psycho. She is also not particularly attractive.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-09 11:25 [#00342859]
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Well, occassionally even I have to venture into the street and walk past the peasents ;)
Seriously, I used to work as a labourer and a gardener. I know all sorts of people. I'm not classist at all...
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-08-09 11:25 [#00342860]
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And that is the perverse appeal she holds for you no?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-09 11:36 [#00342868]
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I think it's the idea that someone could be so ugly and that stupid that really does it for me.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-10 01:06 [#00343624]
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+If we hadn't of dropped the bomb, then we would of had to invade Japan, creating tremendous amounts of casualties on both sides. It was the best choice
to make at the time back then. +
hunh..?
could there possibly be ANY MORE casualties on the Japanese side in any conventional scenarios than caused by the A-BOMB..are you actually aware of the fucking statistics...are you aware of the millions of "survivors"..that were trapped in the contaminated Third Degree Burn hell..feeling as if they were burnt anew each morning they woke up for decades..and the babies born years after with symptons of radiation???
Not to mention plunging the arms race that we are yet to recover from..is it comforting to know that currently means exist to blow this entire planet a million times over...all thanks to that attack...
sure it reduced the number of casualties..on the US side..well your ground troops are a laughing stock of the world..the most incompetent and klutzy soldier in existance is a US marine..dont believe all the Rambo, Delta Force, Special Forces bullshit..Even back in WWII..the Allied soldiers used to make fun of the YANKS...and the single biggest casualty the US suffered in Gul War was when the partying US soldiers got too drunk of your piss weak Budweisers and plunged to death on a Boat..seriously..Gulf War veterans acquired the dubious skills of playing a damn good game of poker in the desert wind and under the desert sun
you are either too naive or to sick to try and diminsh the impact of the Atomic Bomb attacks...
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outside_ninja
from ninjaland (I touch no-one and on 2002-08-10 04:37 [#00343671]
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Bush knew what was coming -- and it was more concrete than some flyers dropped on a city as a parodic forbearing of the atomic weapons soon to be taking their place
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