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Mickey Mouse
from The Moon on 2002-08-06 20:04 [#00339526]
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Over the past years I have seen a lot of electronic live shows. And have to say.. that "IDM" live shows kinda suck it.
With the exception of squarepusher, Venetian Snares, Jamie Lindell.... and cex...
I havent seen DMX crew, bogdan, ovuca, or cylob yet...
I think there HAS to be more interaction with the crowd or SOMETHING to improve idm live gigs.
What do you people think about this?
(Anyone here seen a Venetian Snare show? I saw the one at the Smell.. and it was AWESOME, he was yelling and headbanging and cussing.. it was great!)
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plugexpert
from Nijmegen (Netherlands, The) on 2002-08-06 20:15 [#00339536]
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yes ,I was deeply dissapointed at the Alive festival.
Funkstorung/Global Goon/Like a Tim all just stood there behind their lap-tops.
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Portland
from San Diego (United States) on 2002-08-06 20:26 [#00339545]
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you expect bedroom musicians, generally introverts, to be rockstars and jump around and kick their legs and swing from the rafters?
what are they like before and after their sets? are they quiet? or are they out there raving like mad men?
they are probably pretty quiet and private in real life, why would they be different on stage?
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-08-06 20:35 [#00339555]
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One show that was really surprisingly good was the Mouse on Mars/Stereolab show I saw a few years back.
During the encore they surprised everyone by taking the stage together and playing a track off the "Cache Coeur Naif" EP (which they had collaborated on), but after that they went off into these great new songs that I'd never heard before.
That was a pretty memorable show ... but I've been to others that have been a bit dull. Same with bands using real instruments.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-08-06 20:40 [#00339560]
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I'm not into live performances. If I ever DID go to an live performance, it would be for the social interaction (fat chance of THAT happening!), not the music.
IDM live shows that I've watched or heard on the net are damn underwhelming looking. Can't say for sure, I wasn't there, but doesn't look like something I'd be into.
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hevquip
from megagram dusk sect (United States) on 2002-08-06 20:43 [#00339563]
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bah, you go to the show for the music, not an onstage performance. i reckon once i start playing live though, i'll stack boxes up on the stage and throw things.
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-08-06 20:43 [#00339564]
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maybe they could hire some circus artists to make a show...
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lostchild
from Mariembourg (Belgium) on 2002-08-06 20:44 [#00339565]
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i was a alive festival too... (see the other topic)
richard devine was juste excellent
but i was also disappointed by global goon
and swaysak was for me sooo boring live....
^-^
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-08-06 21:44 [#00339629]
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well it's insulting when you pay lots of money to see one of your favorite artists live and they could care less about being there (or show CONTEMPT for the audience!), and it also sucks when you're excited to see them live and it sounds exactly like it does on disc and you don't see them putting any effort into their performance.
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Portland
from San Diego (United States) on 2002-08-06 23:29 [#00339759]
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titsworth,
please tell me what you would have them do? these are basically audio computer geeks thrust into the limelight and expected to be david lee roth. if this is how they create the music, why would you want them to be something they are not?
they do not want nor need tons of dancers doing syncronized steps to their music. they do not need million dollar stage shows. they are there to put the music as they wanted it, to the listener. thats right, listener. you are there to listen to the music. if they wanted your attention on them they would rip their clothes off on stage and run around like most pop stars of the day.
they want you to hear the music and focus on the music. that is what it is about.
close your eyes, open your ears and mind and listen to what they are doing. even if it is straight from the record. thats what they intended when they recorded it so that is what they play. what is wrong with that?
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Clic
on 2002-08-07 00:03 [#00339796]
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>they do not want nor need tons of dancers doing syncronized
steps to their music.
I don't know about that, man...
C'mon, we could throw a blue screen up there and have giant whales and baseball bats flying around. Maybe we could even get David Hasselhoff to show up and just start flying around the room for no apparent reason.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2002-08-07 00:22 [#00339805]
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I would have midgets in costumes running around on stage trying to kill something with wooden bats.
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Clic
on 2002-08-07 00:31 [#00339809]
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Fuck that man, just press play on your laptop and have yourself hung by one leg from the ceiling while your family members hit you with bats.
Shit, that would be great for a funeral, with your corpse. To top it off, you'd have to have a picture of Corey Feldman on the side of your casket and get the youngest boy in your family to take his (Corey's) $1000 jacket for sale on his website (yes, he has a site -- go to it, it's funny) and just throw it and whoever it lands on, they all beat with bats while Cooper's World and A Love Supreme is playing simulaneously playing. For the grand finally, they lower your corpse down from the ceiling with Reign in Blood playing and then proceed with the beating.
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Clic
on 2002-08-07 00:32 [#00339810]
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finale
and minus one 'playing'
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J and The B
from Chesterland, Ohio (United States) on 2002-08-07 00:34 [#00339813]
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Plaid puts on a good show becuz they use this projector and have all this video to go with their audio. oh and they use a camera that shows them mixing and stuff. it spins around on an arm.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-08-07 01:16 [#00339849]
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i said nothing about dancers or zany stage antics. i'm talking about a) their attitude toward the audience and b) just-push-play artists. they suck. they shouldn't have their entire song ready at the click of the button. there should be some live manipulation and construction. you should be able to tell it's live. plaid and orbital are great examples of this. mark bell backing bjork on the homogenic tour, he did an amazing job tweaking the music live (i haven't seen any lfo shows so i don't know if he does the same thing with his own music). matmos are also very good live performers, with and without bjork. aphex twin also used to be an excellent live performer. dj shadow is great as well, because even though his music is made up of samples he switches things up live. i could go on but i hope you see my point.
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Portland
from San Diego (United States) on 2002-08-07 01:30 [#00339873]
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point taken. it just irks that people want so much from live performers when they were never "live" performers to begin with.
didnt mean to go off on ya like that.
=]
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-08-07 01:40 [#00339886]
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it's no problem; i can understand being frustrated with people who expect every "techno" concert to have dancers like prodigy, or to have a live backing band like cornelius or groove armada. i don't have any expectactions, but i do have high expectations of the PERFORMANCES from artists that i know are capable of greatness.
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2002-08-07 01:43 [#00339891]
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i'm sure Squarepusher usually performs amazing concerts, but the mp3's of his live in tokyo off the new album really do sound as though he pushed play on a CD player containing Go Plastic.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-08-07 01:46 [#00339896]
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"i don't have any expectactions" should've been "i don't have any SUCH expectactions"..
zaphod: i've heard good reviews of his concerts, they're supposed to be very frantic. i know he used to play live bass and drum machines at his concerts in the mid-90s but i'm not totally sure what he does now, i just know it's more laptop oriented.
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Mickey Mouse
from The Moon on 2002-08-07 02:18 [#00339916]
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Wow a lot of people responded to this one! neat!
Portland I think they dont need to have a rock star attitude.. I mean.. if you are going to put on a show... and have people pay money for it. Then just put on a SHOW. Blue screen... something to look at.. anything. You can be an introvert and put on a good show.
"Fuck that man, just press play on your laptop and have yourself hung by one leg from the ceiling while your family
members hit you with bats."Clic
thats funny sh*t!
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-08-07 02:31 [#00339924]
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I always hate this discussion.
I agree with Portland: its about the music. its nice if there are visuals, but the sounds are what counts.
I thought the electronic music scene would be the ideal genre to drop all the 'rock star'- bullshit.
LISTEN LISTEN LISTEN
stop whining like little girls.
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