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offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-08-05 05:31 [#00337014]
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ok, so i got this email from someone on zebox.com

they want to do a "remix trade", where we both give each
other the seperate tracks of one of our songs, and we remix
each others songs.

Its an interesting proposal, but i have some concerns.

i dont know exactly how copyright law works, but
technically, my stuff is copyrighted, due to making a
hardcopy.
but if i where to give her the track breakdowns, I just feel
kind of nervous about copyright issues.

has anyone done anything like this before?

i emailed her already and said I wasnt ready to do a
remix/compilation... but the more i think about it, it kind
of intrugies me, and im sure if i emailed back saying i
changed my mind, she would be fine with it.

apparently shes a dj from lithuania

thoughts?!


 

offline brendan ether from the beach (obx, NC) (United States) on 2002-08-05 05:39 [#00337017]
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go for it, might be fun. and it may do you some good to
remix someone else's song. it might teach you a few things,
which will later show in your own works.


 

offline Smyrma from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2002-08-05 05:44 [#00337025]
Points: 2478 Status: Lurker



Yeah, I say you should do it. It would be a good experience
for you both


 

offline od_step_cloak from Pleth (Australia) on 2002-08-05 05:45 [#00337026]
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who cares about copyright



 

offline princo from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2002-08-05 05:47 [#00337028]
Points: 13411 Status: Lurker



yeah, copyright-copyshite ;)

go for it zeus.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-08-05 05:54 [#00337033]
Points: 14550 Status: Lurker



fuck copywrites, you're not even signed. she's not trying to
steal your songs, please. be flattered someone offered, not
all artists get remix offers from strangers.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-08-05 06:26 [#00337044]
Points: 14042 Status: Lurker



yeah,

I changed my mind.

I emailed her back. It would be a cool experiance to try and
remix someones song, and to see my stuff done differently!


 

offline korben dallas from nz on 2002-08-05 06:29 [#00337045]
Points: 4605 Status: Regular



Zeus .. do you use Soulseek?


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-08-05 06:29 [#00337046]
Points: 14042 Status: Lurker



yep


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-08-05 06:34 [#00337049]
Points: 14042 Status: Lurker



im on now

Dj Zeus


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-08-05 06:38 [#00337051]
Points: 14042 Status: Lurker



er

i changed my name to kcinsu


 

offline DJ Buzz from Odessa (Ukraine) on 2002-08-05 07:11 [#00337059]
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I think it could be a prob, but not if she's from Lithuania.
One can't really make money there by making music; besides,
she won't ever get aired somewhere near you :)
So I think it's great you changed your mind :)


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-05 07:30 [#00337064]
Points: 21427 Status: Regular



It'd be nice to have a secure constant income so I could not
care about money in music forever, not that I'd make any
anyway. You could just give the wav file, since your
"skeleton file" data proves you made it. It would just be
lame to act like u wish to remix only to steal material and
claim u made it (why-other than to make money off it... uh
false praise maybe...), but I wouldn't put people above this
behavior


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-08-05 08:02 [#00337072]
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1. You don't need a "hard copy" for copyright to apply-
although it will help you in court if you need to.

2. Do you really think your music is that good that
someone would a) steal it, b) pass it off as their own and
c) make money from doing so? I don't mean to sound cruel,
merely objective.

3. Laws re: remixes are weird, it depends on whether the
court (well, an expert witness) considers that particular
"remix" a;
"cover verison", merely uses a "sample", is a derivative
work.

It is also affected by how the person markewts it- do they
claim it's their work? Do they credit you at all? Do they
pay you royalties for use of samples? Have you made any form
of contract regarding copyright rights with them?



 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-05 08:30 [#00337089]
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What's a cover version anywho?
i still wonder what all that fine print people sign at
mp3.com says... well artists like fizzarum have tracks on
there as well as the same tracks on a different label
release...


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2002-08-05 11:01 [#00337186]
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that sounds really great zeus :-)
i would have been flattered if someone offered that to me
(not that i actually make music, lol). But collaborations
between artists can ben really fantastic! I hope she's still
willing to do it :-)


 

offline outside_ninja from ninjaland (I touch no-one and on 2002-08-05 17:26 [#00337585]
Points: 462 Status: Addict



This is too surreal.


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2002-08-05 18:47 [#00337715]
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yeah


 

offline sacharin from New York City, Boston, the Hag (Netherlands, The) on 2002-08-05 18:53 [#00337733]
Points: 113 Status: Lurker



wMw: yeah, all that banter on mp3.com was too long to read
and a little too sketchy. I recommend against it. As soon as
I even saw the word "royalties" I was like YO MOTHAFUCKA
FUCK DIS SHEEYOT!!!


Btw... do black people like IDM? I know plenty of peeps from
every race who dig it, but not really any blacks. Anybody
have a theory?


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-08-05 19:19 [#00337805]
Points: 14550 Status: Lurker | Followup to sacharin: #00337733



that's such a bullshit question. why would a whole race
dislike a type of music? not only are there living and
breathing black people LISTENING to idm (eg: archrival, a
veteran of this very board), there're black people MAKING
idm like there are black people in every type of music.


 

offline corn_mouth from santiago (Chile) on 2002-08-05 19:25 [#00337813]
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you´re a jackass sacharin.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-08-05 21:06 [#00337904]
Points: 14042 Status: Lurker



to answer some of your guys question of "do you really think
shed want to rip you off?"

well, yeah. I mean, if she is interested enough to want to
remix my music, and have me remix hers, that means she
obviously likes my stuff.

But anyways... im gonna do it. Im sure its harmless, and if
it isnt, il sue her ass muhahahaha- but really. Im sure its
cool.

and sacharin, i must say, that is a pretty dumb question.
You cant stereotype. There is no set law on it.

however, at the warp show i didnt see a single black person.

Not stating anything besides the facts.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2002-08-05 21:15 [#00337917]
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If she rips you off, you just make another track....!


 

offline outside_ninja from ninjaland (I touch no-one and on 2002-08-05 21:47 [#00337977]
Points: 462 Status: Addict | Followup to Zeus: #00337904



Make sure it's not autechre ripping you off again ;)


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-08-05 21:57 [#00337985]
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I'm black, and I LOVE IDM.

Well, one out of two ain't bad.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-08-05 23:38 [#00338108]
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i don't question you not noticing any blacks at the nyc show
but i'm sure there were black idm heads in attendance. it's
new york city for pete's sake! i know a lot of black people
who like electronic music, and besides - prefuse73 is
hip-hop in essence and i bet that would attract the "rap"
crowd as well as idm fans.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-08-05 23:48 [#00338126]
Points: 14042 Status: Lurker | Followup to titsworth: #00338108



oh, for sure. Im not making any statements or theorys.

Im just saying that at the concert, i do not recall seeing
any person that was black. Thats all. But then again, its
all in retrospect... it wasnt something i was thinking about
at the time!

so my conclusion is...

uh.. whats my conclusion? oh yeah. im not saying anything
except that i dont remember seeing any blacks at the show.

but im SURE there are blacks that listen to IDM



 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-05 23:53 [#00338129]
Points: 10836 Status: Lurker | Followup to Zeus: #00338126



I listened to a little aphex in about 1995 or so, then again
when come to daddy came out, but my mate told me to get into
the music properly in like, 2001... and he is black.

So, yes, it is possible =o)


 

offline jimisteel from SLC (United States) on 2002-08-06 00:29 [#00338162]
Points: 363 Status: Regular



You need to have it officially copywrited meaning the
copywrite people actually have a documented recording with a
date, month, day and year, doesnt matter that it's all
seperate tracks if she uses even part of one track and
claimed it as her own you could sue. Also she could never
say she wrote it first. With that done your safe because
she can't use any track from that song on an offical cd with
a bar code etc. It costs about $30.00 to copywrite one
song, i think.


 

offline nanotech from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2002-08-06 02:40 [#00338209]
Points: 3727 Status: Regular



dude, i remix other ppl's tracks on mp3.com all the time.
This is somewhat very comon. as far as copywrights go, don't
fucking worry. I really doubt that any remix will be sold.


 

offline diemax from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2002-08-06 03:07 [#00338234]
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hehe like yer new av nano- go for it zeus, and if yer
interested look me up on slsk, and i'll remix yer shit and u
can remix mine AND RIP ME OFF it takes far too little time
to make this shite for me to care who does what with it


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-06 03:38 [#00338276]
Points: 21427 Status: Regular



jimisteel, is that really so? I read somewhere (in some
official internet lawish sitamagig) that copyright is
*automatically given to artists upon creation. I don't know
much about it.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-08-06 03:43 [#00338290]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator



and after all-

how much money is an 'IDM'-track going to make..?

its not a winning lottery ticket. why would someone go to
all the trouble saying they'd want to do a remix etc etc


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-06 03:44 [#00338292]
Points: 21427 Status: Regular



aphex twin is a millionaire but otto von schirach doen't
make much. Do you suppose aphex sleeps in a bank because he
wants to be like scrooge mcduck?


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-08-06 03:47 [#00338293]
Points: 47414 Status: Moderator



maybe he has a lucky penny (or whats it called) too..


 


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