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who here has seen this? i think its a masterpiece, discuss. |
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i just ecluded it from my selection for today but im going to watc it in next couple of days |
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*excluded |
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have you seen it before? |
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not yet but i heard its good |
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oh, it is. |
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what's it about? |
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i think theres a topic here on fear and loathing in las vegas. brazil was directed by the same person who directed that movie, Terry Gilliam. Its about a man battling a giant bureaucracy and slowly going insane. its just a very imaginative movie. |
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A great movie. Could be called Futuristic Kafka |
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slowyly going insaine? no. he gets lobotomized about 1/3rd itno the flick and the rest of the film takes place in his mind post lobotomy. (original ending, get the dvd.) :) there's a ton of movies like this, i call it the "oblivious-dead" genre. movies where the main char dies, and the rest of the movie is him (or audience) being oblivious to it. ex; donnie darko, jacob's ladder, and vanilla sky. at first i thought that brazil was a master piece, but the concept has been done way to many times, hell, if i was able to dub a whole genre from these types of movies, then it's been doen way to much. |
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in response to your post, i have the criterion three disc dvd, and at one point on the commentary, Terry Gilliam actually states that with Brazil he set out to make a movie that is funny but is about a man going insane. Maybe Jonathan Pryces character doesn't display all of the normal characteristics you would attribute to going mad, but he is being driven to the edge by a repressive society. And don't make so many assumptions. Its silly. |
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oh yeah, and it is never really explained whether or not he is actually lobotimized. and i would hardly call this an "obvious dead" film. that sequence takes place during the last fifteen or so minutes of the movie, and up to that point the main character is very alive. |
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yeah, but in your post about it, you came across like that was the plot. a man going insaine from a opressive society. There's a huge gap in that statement. humor-yes, i can see that. robet dinero as the air-conditioning repair man! :). (no, kiddies, i'm not being sarcastic its genuinly a funny as role). |
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how is there a "gap in that statement." and you seem to have been snoozing while this movie was on, becuase its nearly three hours long and he doesn't get lobotomized until the end. |
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it's never explained that he's lobotomized or not? yes, it's left to the imagination, but in that ending, it's very obvious. Just becasue someone doesnt' flat out present, or tell you, that soemthign happened doesn't mean that it didnt'. |
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it isn't in the least bit obvious. |
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whats obvious is that the main character has resigned himself to his inner thoughts because its all he can do. you're taking it too literally. i think you need to watch this movie again. |
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true, true. i haven't seen it in a long time. but the fact of the matter is this: you first explained the plot as this: "Its about a man battling a giant bureaucracy and slowly going insane." the key word i'm arguing against is the "slowly" part. |
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i see. whats wrong with slowly? |
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you not reading the posts? that was my whole argument. *sighs* *lobotomizes himself* i give up. |
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no i've read your posts, and you never really explained yourself. why don't you do that now. |
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*un-lobotomizes himself* ok, i said that i gave up, but it seems you're still interested in drawing this out. ok, my point is that you left out a huge turning poin to the plot, regardless of when it happened. The guy asked you what it was about; and unless you're spareing him the ending (which i have the utmost respect for, but doubt you did)and all i was correcting was the fact that the main char. doesn't slowly go insaine. there's no need to get upset. i'm not shooting you down, but i dont' take kindly to agression. |
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WHOOPS! I LEFT A BIG TURNING POINT OUT OF MY LAST POST! WORRIES ME. the part i left out of that was: "the utmost respect for, but doubt you did)...YOU LEFT A HUGE PART OUT OF." |
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whatever. i'll argue no more. wanker. |
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Just seeing the previews, it was made clear to me that Terry is acid embodied. |
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im watching it now-im in the middle, but i need a brake, its just too hard film to watch in one piece :) |
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never heard of a film called brazil what is it about, when was it filmed? |
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ONE OF MY FAVOURITES!! I was watching the Criterion DVD edition with Gilliams commentary track last night. shit, I can dream this film I have seen it so many times. and on the lobotomy-thing - he really only gets tortured into insanity in the last 20 minutes. thats what Gilliam says at least and really, thats how I've always seen it. |
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made in 1985. have a look here: |
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1985 im 1 hour into the film-its a very caotic film, the scene with de niro its a funny one, and visually its almost like watching the 5th element but the story gives you something to think about... |
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seen it own it worship it |
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is that the 3 DVD box set version? That's what I have. |
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yup. the one with the ridiculous "Love Conquers All"-version. INSANE!! I don't actually own it - borrowed it from Bremzen. although it seems I'll have to buy it now too. *sigh* I also would like the 2-dvd Criterion Edition of Rushmore. also SOOO expensive.. :( |
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I love the interview with Micheal Palin! He's so funny! |
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damn it, i sooooo wanted to see it! I was meant to be on at one of the local indipendant cinema's but mfor some reason they didn't get the print :( i was well pissed off! |
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arrgh first one to 1000! |
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LOL, lets see who can get to 2000 first :) |
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curses! :) |
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I've only seen one of Terry Gilliam's films (12 Monkeys) and I'd love to see some of his other stuff, I'm guessing Brazil is better? |
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its his best. |
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hmm, so far i liked 12 monkeys better... |
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I prefered Twelve Monkeys to Brazil too. Brazil bored me. |
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nah, 12 monkeys is a nice story, with a few kind of rickety philosophical implications. brazil delves deeper. the imagery in twelve monkeys is a diluted version of brazil's. |
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so far it seems like a mixture of kafka by soderbergh and 5th element... |
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but bear in mind this film is earlier then both of those. also interesting to know that Gilliam has never read Orwell's "Nineteen Eighty-four". |
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I don't like 12 Monkeys, because I FUCKING HATE ALL TIME TRAVELLING MOVIES because they all lack proper paradox understanding, yesimanerd and i've also seen Jabberwocky, 3 Monty Python movies, Fear&Loathing and Brazil Fear&Loathing is the best... not to mention MP |
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hmm, that was actually meant to be a good thing there i liked both those movies... and yeah, its pretty fantastic to come up with a movie like this... |
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12 monkeys was kindaof a cool sci-fi action movie brazil is greatissim |
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ive seen it... i like his other stuff better |
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for example: fear and loathing, fisher king, 12 monkeys, heck even baron munchausen |
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