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CORTEX
from Canada on 2002-08-02 15:34 [#00334576]
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do you think rdj can still manage to release quality, innovative music? or do you think he doesnt have that 'magic touch' anymore?
unlike a lot of people, i still enjoy listening to drukqs and think it's his strongest release to date (well, a compressed version of drukqs that nicely fits on a single disc). so i believe he can pull off even better music. but i dont think he can reinvent the whole scene like he did in the early 90's though, nobody can.
any thoughts?
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-08-02 15:37 [#00334579]
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No, he cant reinvent what he used to be, more of a musical prodigy than he is now, thats for damn sure.
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Steamtank
from Melancholia Isle (Poland) on 2002-08-02 15:42 [#00334582]
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wait for his new release... i feel that it will shut our mouths and open our ears for new fantastic sounds.
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CORTEX
from Canada on 2002-08-02 15:45 [#00334586]
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ok, what do you know??? come on, spit it out!
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-08-02 15:46 [#00334587]
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Who is Apex Twin?
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-02 15:48 [#00334588]
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I daresay he could release something that'd surprise everyone. Whether he wants to it an entrirely different matter
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-02 15:48 [#00334589]
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*IS an entirely different matter*
apologies, I am crippled with a hangover
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-08-02 15:49 [#00334591]
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Just because people like him so much, doesnt mean he cant release something bad, its just stubborn people (which there are a lot of them here) will never admit its subpar, Drukqs that is.
His next full length CD had better be a million times better or RDJ can suck it.
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-08-02 16:11 [#00334598]
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People are more used to the sounds, that's all. In the beginning we never heard something like it before.
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2002-08-02 16:15 [#00334599]
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Drukqs was great ;)
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Chri5py
from my Solarbear (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-02 16:18 [#00334602]
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There are some fantastic drukqs tracks but there are too many shit uns.... what was he thinking....
Thing Is that I reckon there are so many shit aphex tracks before drukqs too, the whole thing doesnt make a difference to my opinion of him. He'll release something cool
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2002-08-02 16:22 [#00334606]
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drukqs was a mixed bag of an album. if he had cut it down to 15 or 13 tracks it would have been better, but still not his best. gotta agree that hes been putting out alot of shit for every great thing he does, so his career is far from over.
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progeriak
from belgium boarder (France) on 2002-08-02 17:09 [#00334640]
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New tools will create new musician
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Eriadorx
from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2002-08-02 17:49 [#00334672]
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Every track on dukQs is great!!!
But I also love Classics Reflex.
Dont hate, learn to love
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Joyrex
from watmm.com (United States) on 2002-08-02 17:59 [#00334680]
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Richard could release stuff he did in 91 or 92 and still blow people away - his early stuff is still innovative and fresh.
Too bad he'll probably never release any of it though.
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-08-02 18:27 [#00334690]
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I will be very happy if he continues to incorporate more acoustic sounds into his work, as he did on Drukqs. I haven't noticed any artists yet that are really making a true marriage between the electronic sound and the acoustic sound. Ideally, for me, I wish an ensemble would successfully commission him (ie. Kronos or ensemble modern) and then he would take the sessions back and develop them as he likes. Something like Frank Zappa's "The Yellow Shark" mixed with RDJS stylings on "Richard D. James" and "Drukqs". That would be perfect for me.
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Quoth
from Sweden on 2002-08-02 18:38 [#00334696]
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you're calling other people than yourself "stubborn"? hah!
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Quoth
from Sweden on 2002-08-02 18:39 [#00334698]
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you like the Kronos Quartet as well?
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-08-02 18:45 [#00334702]
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ves
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-08-02 18:48 [#00334707]
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I think that there aren't many serious groups that would have the desire and means of doing a collaboration like that. I think Kronos is one of the few that might do it if it came up.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-08-02 23:52 [#00334933]
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I think his best is behind him, but that doesn't mean he isn't still great.
Wayne Gretzky was putting up 97 and 90 point seasons in two of his last three years... not even CLOSE to the 215 he put up with the Oilers in years past... but still among the best in the league.
This is what Richie is doing. I don't think he'll ever make anything as fresh as the SAWS, ICBYD, and even the RDJ and Come to Daddy albums. Drukqs is awesome, I think, but not very ''fresh''... it's been done before... though rarely THAT good.
So, he may be past his prime, but like an aging Wayne Gretzky, even an over the hill Richard is better than 99% of everyone else.
HOCKEY!!!!!! I CAN'T WAIT!!!
AND GRETZKY MAY BE MAKING A COMEBACK!!!! YAHOOO!!!
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Laqeuro
from New York City (United States) on 2002-08-02 23:54 [#00334935]
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of course he can still make great music!
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-08-03 00:05 [#00334946]
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hey REFLEX, just because you think it's crap doesn't actually make it crap... I personally think it's amazing, as does a lot of people here, and would easily put it in my top three Aphex Twin releases... REFLEX proves again how much of an ass he is...
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sacharin
from New York City, Boston, the Hag (Netherlands, The) on 2002-08-03 00:11 [#00334959]
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Didn't anyone read the interview where RDJ stated Drukqs was merely a way to get out of his WARP contract quicker?
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OK
on 2002-08-03 06:27 [#00335168]
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just wait and see
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-08-03 06:35 [#00335184]
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I swear to God I can't wait for his next album/single/whatever. I think he's gonna pull a rabbit out of his hat and kick some arse-end.
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DeLtoiD
from Ontario on 2002-08-03 06:36 [#00335187]
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for some reason its squarepushers new stuf i find more innovative
afx is but far more appealing though imo of course ;0
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Ubik
from United States on 2002-08-03 06:45 [#00335205]
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i think Richard could have a career making music for most of his life if he wants.... and still be at least interesting...
Nobody can generate endless creativity... most rock bands run dry before a decade, just repeating and refining the style and image they have created before... people find it comforting to hear the same style over and over from a musician.
so. what do people want from RDJ? to repeat himself or piss off his fan base by trying new stuff? somebody is always gonna complain
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sacharin
from New York City, Boston, the Hag (Netherlands, The) on 2002-08-03 06:46 [#00335210]
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I want to hear him doing more stuff with the software he's writing, i.e. randomizing melodies and rhythms thru code.
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WeaklingChild
from Glasgow (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-03 08:51 [#00335287]
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he's not past his best. he's probably just on some new shit now that none of you can understand. i'm standing by him all the way, now.
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ChildrenTalking
from United States on 2002-08-03 08:56 [#00335288]
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i'm gonna go with WeaklingChild on this one, Drukqs is a great album, he is not past his prime, he throws down beats that make you want more
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mccabe
from fuck knows .......I`m lost !!! on 2002-08-03 13:50 [#00335355]
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no hes not past his prime,each album he does sounds different[he could easily do same thing over & over again]do you think that after you first heard saw 85-92,less than a decade later he would release something like drukqs[doubt it]Do you know what kind of music hes going to release next[if ever],and anyway I think drukqs has some of the best work hes done.And im sure his next album will probably be better.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2002-08-03 14:11 [#00335358]
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I don't think RDJ is passed his prime one bit. For all we know, he may not even have HIT is prime yet. None of us have any idea what will come next, or even if anything will come next.
But I'm willing to bet that something WILL come, and it WILL blow our minds.
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-08-03 15:52 [#00335410]
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I pretty much dig the route he's taken over the years...and I think drukqs is one of his best albums so far...
Those early albums are so simple & so much easier to get into than his latter more complex works, it's no wonder some people find em easier to deal with...
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pOgO
from behind your belly button fluff on 2002-08-03 15:53 [#00335411]
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I just think he makes more of an effort for himself and dosent release the best stuff.
I wouldent want to share =oD
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-08-05 04:03 [#00336981]
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i don't think he does any "randomized" melodies.
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flea
from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-08-05 04:29 [#00336999]
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Apex Twin..past his prime..possibly .. very likely..it's says so in the name
Aphex Twin on the other hand...
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brendan ether
from the beach (obx, NC) (United States) on 2002-08-05 04:45 [#00337004]
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heh... good call... =)
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DJ Buzz
from Odessa (Ukraine) on 2002-08-05 07:27 [#00337063]
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IMHO, one shouldn't really judge this drukqs thing , cause that's just a bunch of crap thrown out for people to fuck off. HOWEVER, if one's 'bunch of shit' is THAT good - that means one really kicks ass :)
I thinks he's currently re-inventing himself - writing cool software isn't that easy :) I'm quite sure he'll astonish us more and more, cause he is definitely not an idiot, and of course he understands all the 'innovation vs repetition' shit we're talking about here...
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digital messiah
on 2002-08-05 08:27 [#00337086]
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i think reflex is completely right on this one...
APHEX OFFICIALLY FELL OFF!
and for all you stubborn people out there,u should now that drukqs is just a hard-disc cleaner and a contract-breaker......so youre very easy to fool..
and offcourse drukqs is his worst album to date, it should be very obvious for everyone whos seriously into music...and have at least 18 years i guess...but then again theres a lot of this aphex-wannabies on this forum that started to listen to music when they saw the "mind-blowing drill'n'bass video of a new artist called aphex twin!!!"
so long.....stubborn ones!
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Nexus 6
from Netherlands, The on 2002-08-05 11:38 [#00337211]
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I must admit, you've got a point, BUT I really don't think drukqs is his worst album up to date, that's prolly gak or classic imo..
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plugexpert
from Nijmegen (Netherlands, The) on 2002-08-05 12:26 [#00337276]
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the "squarepusher-effect" has made him less interesting,.tho he'll amaze us surely with his next effort.
if not,.......
I'mma travel 2 London and assasinate him
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pOgO
from behind your belly button fluff on 2002-08-05 12:30 [#00337281]
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he may come back with a new name
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2002-08-05 12:33 [#00337282]
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Drukqs is great. A nice sum-up with some new good threads. Sorry for being so stubborn :P
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skodt
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-08-05 13:36 [#00337340]
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As people said, he's evolving, as does any new artist. you find your voice and then see what it has to say. i'm not sure why people hate drukqs so much? i'm sure it's people who aren't really familiar with musik who disdain this album.
i say this because half of the tracks aren't made for those with ADHD that need a constant barrage of beats to sooth their weak minds.
the piano bits are some of my favourite bits. it really is a beautiful instrument. drukqs is my second fav album next to ICBYD, which i feel, will never be topped.
for musik to be successful, it must be able to stand the test of time, as does anything.
unfortunately mullets do not fall into this category! [don't tell digital messiah>he might fall off his soapbox and cry!]
and if you guys want to hear a synthesis of accoustic with electronic, check out hefty records or bands like mum>some of their stuff qualifies, at least.
there will be more people doing this transition, as i have been mucking about with this sort of komposition.
and you know how the whole collective sub-conscious works!
personally, i look forward to his new stuff with no expectations.
i must admit his last album 'Amnesiac' wasn't all that though!
he he he h e
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Steamtank
from Melancholia Isle (Poland) on 2002-08-05 13:48 [#00337353]
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"drukqs" are not sa bad. it is not the most impressive release by apx but quiete good and sometimes fantastic one.
i am waitin for the experiments he mentioned in interviev...
could aphex be more experimental than ae? we will see... i hope it will show up soon.
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-08-05 14:05 [#00337370]
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The only thing I didn't like about Drukqs were the piano tracks. I've got tons of better ones but this may be a matter of personal preference. The other tracks on the album were amazing IMO, no one does it like Aphex Twin.
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mccabe
from fuck knows .......I`m lost !!! on 2002-08-05 14:10 [#00337371]
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not even jynweythek[track 1]or avril 14th[track 9]?
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DJ Buzz
from Odessa (Ukraine) on 2002-08-05 14:24 [#00337379]
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Do you really think Ae is by now more experimental than rdj? I dare to disagree. However odd Ae might sound, they have the STYLE - you generally can recognize their tracks. there are characteristic things like gradient tone background, etc. As to AFX - that man does TOTALLY new shit every time... His boundaries are way looser than Ae's.
That's by no means critics of Ae - I love them and don't want them to get too far from their great trend...
IMHO.
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-08-05 14:27 [#00337383]
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The first one(jynweythek) isn't a regular piano so that makes it a little bit special but the melody isn't very interesting to me and loses it's appeal after 3 listens
The second one(avril 14th) sounds cheesy to me and comes across as a roboticly performed romantic piece, I was bored of that one after 2 listens.
Maybe the piano tracks are a good gateway for some to begin exploring classical piano music(Debussy, Ravel, Rachmaninoff, Chopin, etc)...
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