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Jar from Hollywood, CA on 2001-08-06 06:50 [#00019989] | |||||||||
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I want to be able to make ambient music similar to that on SAWVII. What kind of sampler (make/model) would I need? Please, help me, kind Aphex Folk! |
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=|R3FL3X|= from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada on 2001-08-06 06:53 [#00019991] | |||||||||
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There are a few things you can Do. I do not know much about the sequencers and stuff like that. Tell me: what do you want to use, computer stuff? Or Analogue stuff? {hard equipment}? Youll need lots of imagination and such, Ambient is hard to make interesting. |
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Barrett, Syd from Cambridge on 2001-08-06 06:59 [#00019994] | |||||||||
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www.zzounds.com has alot of really really cool equiptment. that would probally be a really good place to start. or download fruityloops. fantastic little program i've been addicted to since i got it. it's good for screwing around with. |
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=|R3FL3X|= from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada on 2001-08-06 07:01 [#00019997] | |||||||||
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Yes - Fruity Loops is good for messin' around with. I had fun with it. I want to get some real equipment soon, but its costs lots of $$$$ and I need a new car. :( |
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Jar on 2001-08-06 07:03 [#00019999] | |||||||||
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I -don\'t- want to use computers. I want to see what I can create with samplers, etc. |
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=|R3FL3X|= from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada on 2001-08-06 07:05 [#00020001] | |||||||||
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Oh okay. Well your going to need a mix board {sequencer} to relay all your shit through, probably a synth {keyboard}, a sampler and some other stuff. It can and most likely will cost a good deal of $$$$$. do a search on the net for some info. |
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Barrett, Syd from Cambridge on 2001-08-06 07:11 [#00020008] | |||||||||
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like i said, www.zzounds.com is the best site to start looking.... amazing prices there. some really pretty stuff there too. |
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www.geocities.com/vivadebris/ from arizona on 2001-08-06 07:20 [#00020013] | |||||||||
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I think it has less to do with gear and more to do with mindset. Have you listened to much ambient? Are you aware of Eno's albums as he went solo? Did you ever read his album liner notes talking about music that doesn't intrude upon one's psyche but instead merges with the sound of knives and forks at dinner? Or the wind in the trees. Eno's one of those guys who can make wonderful sound even if he were stranded on a desert isle with crappy gear. Purchase a cheap programable synth, beat box, a four track tape recorder and some cheap, used signal processing gear(echo,delay,flanger, reverb,whatever...) and begin making simple minimalistic tracks to please yourself first. If you like it, compare it to ambient works you like and decide where the differences lie. One need not own great gear or posess a huge musical pedigree. Just the ability to be a discriminating listener and have a creative curiosity. A great photographer can make art with a shitty camera. Don't get hung on gear. We all want more and better gear but we don't let the lack of it stop us from creating. If you have the attitude and humility to start small, you have all the tools to make fine sounds. And this comes from a self confessed gear whore. Cheers... |
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Barrett, Syd from Toronto on 2001-08-06 07:24 [#00020015] | |||||||||
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eno's music for airports is quite good. |
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leftrightronic on 2001-08-06 07:28 [#00020017] | |||||||||
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nice post guy from arizona.. i wish there were more of your kind in this forum (ie someone having a little something half worthwhile to read, and not posting just to post) congrats ;P |
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www.geocities.com/vivadebris/ from arizona on 2001-08-06 08:35 [#00020031] | |||||||||
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music for films is also great. in fact the whole series as far back as you can find is a tutorial in ambient. Which by the way has lost considerable meaning in light of the techno period. I cite Eno because he is not only the godfather of the genre but perhaps the best as far as actual ambient sound goes. music that does not DEMAND one's attention, but rather, like a pleasant daydream, allows one to drift in and out of it as one wishes. I think the term and the sound has becomesome what perverted as in the so called ambient music of late. Which seems to me somewhat tamed or soft and slow techno. Not quite the elevator (lift, in the UK, i believe) feel of music that can be ignored. I remember as a child in Montreal hearing this soft music in the background of food markets and clothing stores. Not distracting, but mood enhancing music that came thru almost subliminally. This is how I understand Eno happened upon the Airport concept. If you have ever flown you know the anxiety and trepidation many face. His Airport and Film music albums had this in mind. How to calm the traveller of the skies. One need not be a traveller to need a calming sound in one's surroundings. the stress of daily life is plenty enough. This theory of his opened new doors for me. That one can use different(not better or worse!, ) musics for different moods and occasions. Perhaps start your ambient experiments with a 90 min. cassette of music for the next time your granmama stops by. Don't tell her just put it on at a non-intrusive volume and see if she notices.... good luck |
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www.geocities.com/vivadebris/ from arizona on 2001-08-06 08:39 [#00020032] | |||||||||
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music for films is also great. in fact the whole series as far back as you can find is a tutorial in ambient. Which by the way has lost considerable meaning in light of the techno period. I cite Eno because he is not only the godfather of the genre but perhaps the best as far as actual ambient sound goes. music that does not DEMAND one's attention, but rather, like a pleasant daydream, allows one to drift in and out of it as one wishes. I think the term and the sound has becomesome what perverted as in the so called ambient music of late. Which seems to me somewhat tamed or soft and slow techno. Not quite the elevator (lift, in the UK, i believe) feel of music that can be ignored. I remember as a child in Montreal hearing this soft music in the background of food markets and clothing stores. Not distracting, but mood enhancing music that came thru almost subliminally. This is how I understand Eno happened upon the Airport concept. If you have ever flown you know the anxiety and trepidation many face. His Airport and Film music albums had this in mind. How to calm the traveller of the skies. One need not be a traveller to need a calming sound in one's surroundings. the stress of daily life is plenty enough. This theory of his opened new doors for me. That one can use different(not better or worse!, ) musics for different moods and occasions. Perhaps start your ambient experiments with a 90 min. cassette of music for the next time your granmama stops by. Don't tell her just put it on at a non-intrusive volume and see if she notices.... good luck |
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m....M..Mw )wW(m M m)Ww( wM..M....m on 2001-08-06 09:37 [#00020046] | |||||||||
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Place microphone in a woodpeckers nest, near chirping crickets, in a windy area where frogs can also be heard from a nearby lake. Later add this wav file to a wav file filled with the sounds of alien lazer warfare battle. Later add a wav file on top of this hybrid of rubbing your hands together in front of a fire. Maybe add a melody of 2 musical notes that repeat over and over, and a drum beat using no more than 2 percussion sounds. |
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od from perth on 2001-08-06 14:31 [#00020101] | |||||||||
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vivadebris - fuckgin amen to that i, being quite lazy these days...dont exmeriment with sounds and save them as much as i used to (my old stuff before i had the net was really eperimental)....i dont like saving tons of wavs so i put what i have through lots of effects and that. ambient tips... 1) use flangs and or phase on strings and def. reverb 2) use echo on the high end sounds... well thats what i like anyway cheers :) |
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Jar on 2001-08-06 14:34 [#00020102] | |||||||||
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Oh, VivaDebris... You are so inspiring. I thank you, my friend. That is all I can say. |
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Mr Biffo on 2001-08-06 14:53 [#00020107] | |||||||||
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Music for Airports was actually played continuously in a US airport for a few days. I don't think it had the desired effect, though, because they had to turn it up quite loud, thus defeating the point. |
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The Grey Gentleman from Eugene, Oregon on 2001-08-06 15:18 [#00020109] | |||||||||
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The most important instrument is your mind . You can make ambient with almost anything, really. I favor my cheap ass casio synth, an effects box, and everyday sounds recorded to my minidisc. Sounds like you're new to music, so learning/using a sampler for ambient at this point would be quite difficult for you, probably. Get a cheap synth from Goodwill or something and use that til you're sure you want to invest more money. I have a ton of synths, but I use my Casio CT-670 a lot, and I see them often in Goodwills/Pawn shops good luck. also, brian eno is the "god" of ambient, heh. It's all about plateaux |
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The Grey Gentleman from Eugene, Oregon on 2001-08-06 15:19 [#00020110] | |||||||||
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Also, vivadebris speaks many words of wisdom up there, so take those to heart. better'n I could've said myself |
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wizards teeth on 2001-08-06 15:23 [#00020111] | |||||||||
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Grey Gentleman, Can I possibly have one of your synths? I will put it to good use, if I ever become a famous pop star, every time I appear on the tv or radio I will shout out : "this one is going out to the grey gentleman" If I do not become a famous pop star i will buy a pet dog and say to that "this one is going out to the grey gentleman", everytime i use the synth thanks teeth |
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Jar on 2001-08-06 15:23 [#00020112] | |||||||||
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Well, I used to be a drummer in a rock band, and I used to own a sampler. Well, I still have it, but it does not work. It's an Akai S20. Had I not broken it, I think I would have been able to make some experimental stuff like what Pan Sonic do. I just need a new sampler and something that I can edit the whole thing with. That's one thing I can never find out: if I can go about sequencing my sampled noises on the meticulous level... |
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Wizard MaC from Solis Planum on 2001-08-06 15:27 [#00020113] | |||||||||
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A program called AudioMulch is good for soundscapes: you can create modular setups/instruments and record (and edit) live knob-changes in a sort of sequencer. Space out! |
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Jar on 2001-08-06 15:29 [#00020114] | |||||||||
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Again, I'm not going to be using computers... |
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Wizard MaC from Solis Planum on 2001-08-06 15:35 [#00020116] | |||||||||
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o, sorry I didn't read all the replies I don't know much about hardware but there's one thing I can say: for ambient you need a synth with lots of possibilities. I've got a Yamaha AN1x and I think this synth offers a lot of space-sounds for your bucks. |
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hevquip from an egren's coffee shop on 2001-08-06 16:44 [#00020121] | |||||||||
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a sequencer is definetly good to have so you can throw your sounds together and layer them. analogue is good to have for ambient in my opinion, or a keyboard with some adjustable parameters. long droning sounds work well. sounds without a sharp attack or one that's not to noticeable, but have a long decay work well. "soft" sounds work well. nothing real loud or abrasive. sounds like strings and wind instruments or sounds that are transposed down a lot sound good. it's good to start with a quiet droning sound that will change, but takes a long time and is subtle, then add maybe a little brighter sound to repeat, then another sound that will go for a long time, but more noticeable in it's change and isn't so quiet or subtle as the first long, droning sound. after that, throw in whatever will go well with what you have. |
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www.geocities.com/vivadebris/ from arizona Last post :) on 2001-08-06 17:12 [#00020123] | |||||||||
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Hey jar , you live in Hollywood, you ought to trip on down to Tower records and check out the Eno section. The first and probably least known Ambient album,Brian Eno - Discreet Music could be found there on CD. It has all the liner notes explaining his process of getting to ambient. The short story is he was in a bad auto accident and was laid up in hospital with broken ribs and punctured lung. A lady friend brought some Portmouth Sinfonia recordings for him to listen to. She put it on and left. But the right channel was not working and the volume was too low. But he could not get up to fix it so he laid there and listened to it that way. That incident got him started thinking about non intrusive sound/music. I suppose there's an Ambient section in record stores these days but I wouldn't expect to see much old school stuff there. Cluster And Eno is a classic. Cluster was a German duo that worked with Eno occasionally. If you find it buy it! Rare and top notch! Got a picture of a pasture at evening with a solitary mic stand and mic, very blue. Music For Films isn't exactly ambient but brilliant nontheless. Now you want to hear some cool shit, find the two albums Eno did with Robert Fripp - NO PUSSYFOOTING and the other one EVENING STAR. Here Eno does his electronic noodling with Fripp doing some mindblowing Frippertronic guitar improv. over around and theu his textures. I wouldn't normally share this but we're all buds here - when doing my electronic set live I'll often sneak one of these two albums onto one of the mixer channels over a bass and drum groove and it sounds unreal with the atonal guitar riffs sneaking thru. |
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hevquip from a nefarious pirate ship on 2001-08-15 04:50 [#00021949] | |||||||||
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here you go geonime. this is the other topic about making ambient. |
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Springymajig from New Zealand (www.mp3.com/aureus) on 2001-08-15 06:14 [#00021965] | |||||||||
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I did something interesting, but it was on my computer. I recorded a voice sample from tv to muck around with, at the end of the sample was a small snippet of the guitar that was playing in the background. It was about .5 of a second. Any way, I modulated it, making it slooooow and streeeeeetched out, reverbed it, and because of the background his it ended up sounding like part of a multi layered ambient song. I haven't used it .... yet. |
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