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Xanatos
from New York City (United States) on 2002-07-25 19:40 [#00324392]
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Credit goes to entstr from the planet-mu board who did an OCR scan of the inside cover of his Do You Know Squarepusher 2xCD
entstr "The "manifesto" is white type on black paper, written in the first person. The reverse side has the lyrics to, I believe, the second track, black type on white paper. Both sides have the "new squarepusher" symbol subtly overlayed in gloss.
The first-person way it is written is very direct, hence people calling it a "manifesto". It probably won't be on the actual release anywhere, as it was expounding on the artistic / musical process (more so, a justification of his), how music is perceived, absorbed, and processed, and can be read as a pre-emptive rebuttal to his critics. It's an interesting read - I think he's pretty clear on his views."
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Xanatos
from New York City (United States) on 2002-07-25 19:41 [#00324394]
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The Manifesto
Some people would say. in looking at my career, that it betrays a confused musical standpoint; optimistically it is termed unpredictable. more derisively it is said to be self-cancelling, in that within the wide aesthetic range in the work, one part contradicts and undermines another, resulting in something akin to the mixing of all the different paints on the palette. This is an important point to realise: I take no refuge behind standpoints. This has manifested itself as part of my fundamental creative aspiration- to see across as opposed to seeing from. At first, there needs to be the presence both of a view rooted in inherited opinion, effectively treated as transparent and assumed to be inherently correct, and a will to play with that view, to endlessly distort it and to ultimately be prepared to destroy it. A kind of simultaneous faith and critical ingenuity are required as, without the latter one is bound to a reverential repetition of received wisdom, and without the former ones sparks quickly die away once the entrenched standpoint is supposedly vanquished. To make a lethal attack on, say a musical standpoint, that standpoint must first be loved, understood and accommodated before it can be assailed, and this problem is exemplified with much youth culture that seeks to destroy its perceived antithetical enemy simply by contradicting it. It is not enough to behead your enemy, they must first be invited in and made to feel welcome in order to be comprehensively destroyed i.e. they must be in some way incorporated. This process should seem familiar as it is the time honoured way of dissipating polarised energy away from musical movements: by making them popular. What I am doing is turning this system on its head: instead of incorporating isolated views into mainstream equivalents, for the sake of destroying culture in the name of the corporation, I incorporate isolated views into my standpoint, indeed to the point of seemingly
cancelling out a coherent view for the sake of destroyin
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Xanatos
from New York City (United States) on 2002-07-25 19:41 [#00324395]
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g culture in the name of the corporation, I incorporate isolated views into my standpoint, indeed to the point of seemingly
cancelling out a coherent view for the sake of destroying culture in the name of individual In .this sense advocate completely respect-less exploitation of all forms available, as this is the only road that could possibly render an individual immune to being dissolved into mainstream castration, insofar as the music industry as it stands feeds most happily on artists with discrete viewpoints: identity-cults can only be effectively generated from one dimensional personalities. Personal identity must be entirely subjugated and rendered formless in order to have any sort of freedom in our era. A common error is mistaking contradiction or negation of a consensus view for freedom: this leads to phenomena symbiotic with mainstream culture and equally poisonous i.e. movements who identify themselves exclusively with a cynical commentary on the mainstream. This is a dustbin for so called artists: diametrically opposed to the mainstream, they are still very much obliged to march to its tune, or of course its inversion. Being conscious of the fallacy in their claim of independence, the views always deliberately remain self-contained, and just as a surfeit of cultural control gives rise to overweight smug cretins, an almost total absence of it gives rise to the revolting snide dinginess of the eternally subjugated. The lesson is that no punks have yet been punk enough - rejecting and negating the mainstream just as quickly becomes subsumed in its own poisonous cliches, (thus often becoming eligible for mass production). It is essential for any creator to want to negate and to reject, but this has to be coupled with a consummate understanding of the phenomena one seeks to reject. Otherwise, not understanding the language of negation, the object of the negating will misunderstands what is being shouted at it. and caries on regardless. I have learned to see inside every musician?s head because, in order
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Xanatos
from New York City (United States) on 2002-07-25 19:42 [#00324396]
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to have any sort of freedom in our era. A common error is mistaking contradiction or negation of a consensus view for freedom: this leads to phenomena symbiotic with mainstream culture and equally poisonous i.e. movements who identify themselves exclusively with a cynical commentary on the mainstream. This is a dustbin for so called artists: diametrically opposed to the mainstream, they are still very much obliged to march to its tune, or of course its inversion. Being conscious of the fallacy in their claim of independence, the views always deliberately remain self-contained, and just as a surfeit of cultural control gives rise to overweight smug cretins, an almost total absence of it gives rise to the revolting snide dinginess of the eternally subjugated. The lesson is that no punks have yet been punk enough - rejecting and negating the mainstream just as quickly becomes subsumed in its own poisonous cliches, (thus often becoming eligible for mass production). It is essential for any creator to want to negate and to reject, but this has to be coupled with a consummate understanding of the phenomena one seeks to reject. Otherwise, not understanding the language of negation, the object of the negating will misunderstands what is being shouted at it. and caries on regardless. I have learned to see inside every musician?s head because, in order to prevent myself from being fully incorporated into any musical ghetto, I have to incorporate every musical ghetto into myself. I aspire to make music useless as a commodity i.e. a prop for the identities and personalities of the mindless: and if this is all that music constitutes in our era, then to maximise every conceivable parameter until it completely destroys itself.
(signed, Squarepusher)
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Xanatos
from New York City (United States) on 2002-07-25 19:46 [#00324398]
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Me This is the most amazing thing I have read by any musician, as far as I can remember, so I really wanted to share it with all you non-µtants who probably haven't seen it. I'm going to read it again before I discuss it.
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Ctrl Alt Del
from Ft. Worth (United States) on 2002-07-25 19:52 [#00324400]
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i think you win the award for longest consecutive post.
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Xanatos
from New York City (United States) on 2002-07-25 19:56 [#00324401]
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Correction: Ignore the third part, it should go from the second part to this (otherwise you end up reading a big chunk twice):
to prevent myself from being fully incorporated into any musical ghetto, I have to incorporate every musical ghetto into myself. I aspire to make music useless as a commodity i.e. a prop for the identities and personalities of the mindless: and if this is all that music constitutes in our era, then to maximise every conceivable parameter until it completely destroys itself. (signed, Squarepusher)
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Xanatos
from New York City (United States) on 2002-07-25 19:59 [#00324403]
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Some of this makes about as much sense to me as the end of "My Fucking Sound" (i.e. I have no fucking idea what is going on). But a lot I really agree with.
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surrounded
from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2002-07-25 20:04 [#00324404]
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i can't read that... my english is not good enough :-( By the time i got to like the 8th sentence i was already lost ;-) And forgot what the previous 7 sentences said. Hopefully a lengthy discussion will follow in this thread, so that in the end i get some idea what Tom wanted to say with this :-)
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thethirdball
from Polly Pisspot (Canada) on 2002-07-25 20:18 [#00324405]
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Don't worry it's just a punch of pretentious babble that doesn't do anything but lower my opinion of Squarepusher. Why say these things? I don't care - just release music you twat.
Just my 2 cents.
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Clic
on 2002-07-25 20:22 [#00324406]
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No.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-25 20:29 [#00324408]
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wow
im gonna have to read this several times before I can respond....
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-07-25 20:46 [#00324421]
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is there a link?
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Clic
on 2002-07-25 20:49 [#00324423]
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Just go to watmm.com and look in SP's news articles. It's there.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-07-25 20:52 [#00324424]
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thx
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Darth manchu
from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-25 21:36 [#00324445]
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i am really looking forward to this release. That manifesto is a bit good.
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Xanatos
from New York City (United States) on 2002-07-25 21:42 [#00324450]
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here
Oh joyrex just put it up i see
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urb
from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-07-25 22:22 [#00324494]
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Drivel.
A joke for sure.
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grinningcat
from london (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-25 22:58 [#00324517]
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can anyone translate this stuff??! He's either very clever or just taking the piss.
But im serious, can someone please summarise what tom is on about??!
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urb
from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-07-25 23:06 [#00324521]
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dudes.. you can't be serious
"I have learned to see inside every musician's head"
"I have to incorporate every musical ghetto into myself."
I too want some muscial ghettos to incorporate into myself so that I can learn to see into every musicians heads.
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Xanatos
from New York City (United States) on 2002-07-25 23:27 [#00324531]
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Urb: That might be drivel but I understand this perfectly:
"I aspire to make music useless as a commodity i.e. a prop for the identities and personalities of the mindless: and if this is all that music constitutes in our era, then to maximise every conceivable parameter until it completely destroys itself. "
even if he is "taking the piss" he's writing some interesting things.
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Xanatos
from New York City (United States) on 2002-07-25 23:28 [#00324532]
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I don't know what action one would take, in aspiring to create that, but I can understand feeling that way.
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Xanatos
from New York City (United States) on 2002-07-25 23:31 [#00324534]
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Actually I agree, most of it is artsy overanalytical shit but I think what he says about Mainstream and Anti-Mainstream being the same thing is really interesting and really well phrased. And I agree with thethirdball too, just keep releasing music, it says alot more than any words can (that's what music is all about imo.)
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OK
on 2002-07-25 23:32 [#00324535]
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we all know that tom guy's suposed to be nuts anyway... so i believe that thing written was sincere.
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Xanatos
from New York City (United States) on 2002-07-25 23:33 [#00324536]
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Have you listened to his music? It's alot more insane than that is. He writes text kind of like music lol
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grinningcat
from london (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-26 00:11 [#00324586]
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do u think he quatises his words?
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grinningcat
from london (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-26 00:11 [#00324588]
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i think its good he's actually bothered to rite a bit, its better than that shite/empty 'go plastic' cover!
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-07-26 00:20 [#00324593]
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terrific read, really enjoyed and agreed with the points he makes. essays are supposed to be analytical, if you're not interested in deep analysis don't read one. also enjoyed the comments on it at planet mu, quite an intellectual bunch over there.
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Xanatos
from New York City (United States) on 2002-07-26 18:23 [#00326065]
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Some parts are too much for me, but
"identity-cults can only be effectively generated from one dimensional personalities. Personal identity must be entirely subjugated and rendered formless in order to have any sort of freedom in our era. A common error is mistaking
contradiction or negation of a consensus view for freedom: this leads to phenomena symbiotic with mainstream culture and equally poisonous i.e. movements who identify themselves
exclusively with a cynical commentary on the mainstream. This is a dustbin for so called artists: diametrically opposed to the mainstream, they are still very much obliged
to march to its tune, or of course its inversion"
does. And so do a lot of other parts. Urb: maybe you should reread it to give it a chance? Maybe I can translate some into simpler english for u? =)
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MrTenzin
from The Concrete Jungle (United States) on 2002-07-26 18:52 [#00326095]
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WOW i got that in the email from someone really nice... who ever you are thanks.. and wow what a great manifesto!
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