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Tekn010G from Australia on 2001-03-25 10:35 [#00001460] | |||||||||
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Many topics have been started bragging about how good a particualar song/cd is but it is very rare to hear any complaints about him (probably cause he's so good), so what things bother you about a certain song/cd release, I'm sure that everyone here has at least one thing that they don't like about the twin, what's your gripe? My gripes: sawI : we are the music makers (this song is just plain boring in my opinion) sawII : [windowsill] [radiator] (I find the percussion in these tracks really annoying, and I seriously think that aphex could do better) most polygon window/caustic window releases : (they all seem to use the same samples and sound effects) Richard D james album : some of the tracks are too extreme for my liking Windowlicker : the cover, powerpill pacman : too mainstream sounding donkey rhubarb : annoying yet catchy and well that's about it, but other than that, he's near perfect |
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Deceptikon from home on 2001-03-25 10:36 [#00001461] | |||||||||
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I don't really like Polygon Window very much. Then again, I don't really like early *thump thump thump thump* techno either. |
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Tekn010G from Australia on 2001-03-25 10:38 [#00001462] | |||||||||
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geez that was fast, I got a response in under a minute!! |
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Earface from England on 2001-03-25 13:35 [#00001472] | |||||||||
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WHAT????? Well, the Richard D. James is possibly one of the best and most innovative of James' releases. Far out? Surely that's what Aphex Twin is all about. Oh, and we don't use the word "gripe" in the Northern Hemisphere because it sounds really shit, so don't. |
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hexane from a recently-hatched eggshell on 2001-03-25 13:49 [#00001474] | |||||||||
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its funny, i first got into aphex twin thru 'donkey rhubarb' - i thought it was shit too, but after a few listens i started to see (or more precisely hear) the beauty in it. one aphex track that really shits me is 'white blur 2' off SAWII. it is so bland and monotonous, and that girl laughing really gets to me - if i could pluck that song from it SAW2 would be the perfect album |
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PostModernVancouver from Gorgeous Ultra Urbanie Hip Vancouver on 2001-03-25 14:25 [#00001476] | |||||||||
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Hmm, I'm also not a big fan of AB3 ,AB4, Caustic Window , Powerpill etc... I think it was good for its time but I dont think it compares to his stuff from 93-97 at all. Lot of it sounds too monotonous in my opinion with the exception here and there. From the Polygon Window album, I think that the title track is the best thing from the album.Quoth I think is a kick ass dancefloor tune ( even though theres no melody in it, but its so tribal sounding!). Yes, from SAW 1 I dont know what the fuss is about "We are the Music Makers" either, its by far my least favorite tune on the album, but I love the rest of it ofcourse. I think that Hangable Autobulb alone blows away most of RDJ's earlier stuff. SAW 2 is beyond brilliant IMO, to me its Aphex most spiritual piece of work that i never get tired of, ever! I just simply think that RDJ is a far better talent in his later years then earlier, he just showcases so much more of what he can do, and most of its later stuff is far more complex and emotionally generous than his earlier stuff....... |
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Glitch from New Zealand on 2001-03-25 18:53 [#00001481] | |||||||||
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I dont like the senseless obscene computer voice at the end of Funny Little Man, just a stupid and disgusting waste of time, other than that Im not sure I Hate anything, dont like alot of Dicks older music, like S.A.W vol 1 |
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hedtwin from Manchester, England. on 2001-03-25 19:35 [#00001483] | |||||||||
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i don't like the very last track on SAW II. I don't know what it is called, but it really annoys me! I also do not really like his caustic window stuff either. |
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o-ghap from lake-on-forest on 2001-03-25 20:55 [#00001485] | |||||||||
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I can´t think of a really annoying aphex-tune.. But i agree on that "We are the musicmakers" is a bit of a pain. It´s a little too much and too little in some strange kind of way. [complex mathematic equation] also has some annoying hi-phrequent sounds in it.. |
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AFXDUB from canada on 2001-03-25 21:55 [#00001492] | |||||||||
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I think that there are no real bad AFX songs out there, I have heard my fair share, and to admit that I have gotten alsmost everysingel release off the internet [mp3s], i know i know its evil but If i can't find them to buy then fuck it. I have purchased a good number of AFX releases. Nevermind that, I just think that RDJ has so many different tastes, and he once said in an interview that he doesn't wrtie music for the people, he writes it for himself... by himself. I can see, it, I love all of his stuff, don't ask me why, All his aliases are different in many ways, he has more than one flavour so to speak. And to me they all taste great! |
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ChemX on 2001-03-25 22:06 [#00001495] | |||||||||
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Three tracks come to mind that I really cannot stand: donkey rhubarb, we are the music makers, and at the top of the list ... ventolin. Ventolin is just plain obnoxious. |
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AFXDUB from canada on 2001-03-25 22:10 [#00001496] | |||||||||
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i think that ventolin is one of his greater songs he has done.. its so abrassive.. its great. |
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ChemX on 2001-03-25 22:15 [#00001497] | |||||||||
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no no, [mathimatical equation] is one of the tightest songs he's ever done - real technical and is definitely "abrasive". Sounds like a brillo pad or something. |
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Tekn010G from Australia on 2001-03-25 22:30 [#00001498] | |||||||||
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I'm a fan of ventolin as well, and I have also overdosed on ventolin before (when people with athsma have the flu, they almost can't breath and ventolin inhalers don't help either, I remember seeing bright flashes of light but don't remember a high pitch squeal, but I like the song none the less) and as for the people going off there heads because I posted this up: Aphex twin is the greatest musician I have ever heard, but we all know that sometimes he "tries" to annoy people with his music because he finds it funny, and nobody's perfect so even he can sometimes make something that isn't quite art, (the garden of linmiri for example) but I'm just trying to make the topic interesting, And I used the word "gripe" because that's what we damn well use over here, and If you're going to make racist comments you should at least go to one of the shittier forums that expect this sort of thing, arguing over forums is one of the least productive things you can do, It makes forums boring an repetitive as it's usually just two people fighting, and the occassional "shut up" posted by an anonymous person, why do you think people have stayed at this forum? probably because there is no boring arguments, (notice how the offensive ones are never regulars at the forum,? because nobody likes them and after they've abused everyone people start to just ignore them) I think that you should all grow up, and stop littering the forums with this useless junk can't we all just get along?....... |
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Tekn010G from Australia on 2001-03-25 22:33 [#00001499] | |||||||||
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I also think that complex mathematical equation is one of his best tracks, very different, just like windowlicker but in a different way |
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ViLE on 2001-03-26 00:35 [#00001503] | |||||||||
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Track two on analogoue bubblebath 3 is pretty much the only track of his i can't stand...i'm sure ventolin would get on my nerves if i listened to it at the wrong time, like if i had a headache or something, but i like it...it sounds paranoid to me...same with white blur 2... |
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alan flifton from outer mongolia on 2001-03-26 10:19 [#00001515] | |||||||||
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I recon SAW 2 is crap!.....unless you play 2 tracks at the same time (you will need two turntables and a mixer to do this). any 2 will do!, try it, you\'ll get amazing results i tell ya!!. |
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XePhA88 from San Jose, CA on 2001-03-26 11:25 [#00001528] | |||||||||
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what's your gripe Earface? |
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alan flifton from outer mongolia on 2001-03-26 12:04 [#00001534] | |||||||||
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oh, you guys know about that already (just read one of the old threads), damn i thought i was being all clever then!. |
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Tekn010G from Australia on 2001-03-26 23:06 [#00001564] | |||||||||
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I got Hangable Auto bulb lately, and I'd have to say that Arched Maid via RDJ is one of the best tracks I've ever heard, absoloutly brilliant, but I don't like "children talking" It's so corny!!!!!!! I don't mind the talking in everyday though,..... |
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Tekn010G from Australia on 2001-03-26 23:08 [#00001565] | |||||||||
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oh yeah, and besides windowsill and radiator, sawII is really good, listen to it again and again until you "do" like it. |
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AFXDUB from canada on 2001-03-27 08:05 [#00001601] | |||||||||
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SAWII is a complex album, it is fucking great! All AFX's shit is, all of it! ALL. Hangable Auto bulb is a great album, but you notice it has one sound throughout the whole 2 albums.. its good though. |
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alan flifton from outer mongolia on 2001-03-27 09:08 [#00001607] | |||||||||
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No, sorry Im not convinced, i think saw 2 is poop, i have tried to like it Tekn010G, god dammit ive tried!, for about 6 years in fact, but no, the blue calix tune is the only one I like on its own, it reminds me of an old hovis advert. Hangable Auto Bulb on the other hand is tastey (snappy title too), but this isnt about that, its about stuff i dont like. |
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alan flifton from outer mongolia on 2001-03-27 09:09 [#00001608] | |||||||||
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I just thought, maybe i dont smoke enough |
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wizard mac from in the middle of something on 2001-03-27 12:39 [#00001625] | |||||||||
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"We are the musicmakers" isn't great, I only like the beginning of that track a bit. At the moment I can't notice more tracks I don't like...nope The most tracks are really good and each track is another experience! |
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Earface from England on 2001-03-27 14:41 [#00001632] | |||||||||
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Hmm, well, I wasn't being rascist at all (note the correct spelling), I was just merely implementing that words such as "gripe" are not readily used by people in the Northern Hemisphere. Since I have little, if no knowledge at all, about your part of the world, I was basically proportioning my statement to my own understanding. This, I think you may agree, is the basis of any logical statement. However, I could have said: "don't use that word you sound like a complete twat" , which would have been aggressive and quite rude, but I didn't. Richard D James' work is all incredibly intelligent and intricately constructed. It is, I believe, the obligation of any listenner who finds a single work of his exiting, to alter his/her perception towards the tunes that they might have certain "fuckingGRIPES" about in order to truley understand the nature of his work. |
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ChemX from Miami, Florida on 2001-03-27 15:41 [#00001633] | |||||||||
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Sorry if I sound like a dick, but it's my pet-peev; its racist, not rascist... |
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alan flifton from outer mongolia on 2001-03-27 16:06 [#00001635] | |||||||||
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Earface, were you stroking your chin when you wrote that?. |
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mescon from Sweden on 2001-03-27 16:43 [#00001636] | |||||||||
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What I cant understand is why you think you think that "We are the musicmakers" is so bad. In my opininion its not the best, but still a viby ambient beat... if you really listen, and feel every sound after youve been put to trance by an earlier song, you can realllly relax to it. It makes me think of an unstopable machine, just punching its way through the fake and commercial shit out there, like MTV. Donkey Rhubarb is really good too, and is actually one of my big favorites. |
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Robert J. Jackson from Austin, Texas on 2001-03-27 17:27 [#00001642] | |||||||||
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I cannot criticize SAW II. After as many years as I've been listening to that album, I never let myself believe that I've really heard any songs on that album to their fullest degree. Even the most monotonous songs on it have so many underlying fizzes, crackles, etc. What really works well is taking it to other people's houses and hearing it on various stereos. Each one brings the album out in a different way, just a little, but just enough to catch something from time to time. I don't need to defend or explain that album. Plenty of you people already know what I'm talking about. There are quite a few songs of his that sound like they were pulled out of his ass, or simply half-assed, although they still have the signature quality of the man. You must remember, he doesn't give a shit if we like it, he probably doesn't even give a shit if he likes it, as long as we buy it, and let him sit around on his ass all day and make more music for himself. In the meantime, us loyal fans will have to take the good with the bad, I guess. Our chances of hearing a bad song by Mr. James is in most cases slimmer than than the chances most people I know have with the shit they're listening too. Let's be proud. |
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Robert J. Jackson from Austin, Texas on 2001-03-27 17:34 [#00001643] | |||||||||
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Oh yeah, all things associated with Windowlicker, for me, are fucking awesome. It's existence and integrity as a piece of music, photography, and cinematography, still goes on way unnoticed and unappreciated. It is one the finest artistic endeavors taken on within the past few decades. It kicks "Thriller"s ass, I tell you that. I hate watching the Top 100 Videos of All Time when it comes on. You know it's gonna be "Thriller". Fuckers! Uh, I was lost. I'm better now. |
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Robert J. Jackson from Austin, Texas on 2001-03-27 17:41 [#00001645] | |||||||||
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Sorry for all of this defense. Here: I think "Humanoid Must Not Escape" is a promising tune that unfortunately could have used some revision and elaboration. Just a tad. |
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Tekn010G from Australia on 2001-03-27 22:38 [#00001663] | |||||||||
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Sorry abput the comments before earface, I guess I got a little outta hand there, but I have a british friend that goes there often and reckons that he hears the word up there all the time, he lives in grimsby, and I don't know how slang changes from all the different parts of the continent, but I wasn't even thinking when I typed it up, I don't even check what I write, (explaining my numerous typos) and as a matter of trivia the tracks I find too extreme on the richard d james album is : peek***(can't remember the number) carn math everything else I like |
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Earface from England on 2001-03-27 23:48 [#00001666] | |||||||||
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Yes I was stroking my chin; I'm trying to grow a beard. I appologise too Tekn, I was actually delibrately being an awkward cunt. Sorry man, talk how you like, perhaps it's myself who should alter perspective. I've had an attitude problem for a while. Drugs, lack of sex and having dreams that are ten times better than my mundane reality are the principle sources methinks. Oh yeah, it is spelt R.A.C.I.S.T. nevermind. |
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Earface from England on 2001-03-27 23:50 [#00001667] | |||||||||
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poor grammar as well |
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Tekn010G from Australia on 2001-03-28 00:19 [#00001669] | |||||||||
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then everythings cool,.. ahh what a precious moment *group hug* |
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okRobot from Los Angeles on 2001-03-28 01:37 [#00001679] | |||||||||
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Uh I like "We are the music makers" it makes me feel apart of something, plus i like "willy wonka and the chocolate factory".... Uhm, maybe my obsession with AFX's music (that formed since the first song I heard from him) has blinded me to the fact that maybe some of his music does suck.....but truthfully I cant find any faults....I try hard to find the beauty in all his songs, I bob my head to the tracks equally. I love his work, truthfully, all of it. |
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tekn010G from Australia on 2001-03-28 02:23 [#00001685] | |||||||||
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well I'm VERY picky about music that I listen to, but considering that, I find beauty in almost all aphex twin songs, considering how untolerable I am to anything I don't like in music, I sure do like a lot of aphex twin stuff, any other band I would be able to write 6 pages of stuff I don't like, but It's very hard to fault Aphex Twins music, It's just so thought out and complete |
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alan flifton from outer mongolia on 2001-03-28 08:36 [#00001694] | |||||||||
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errrm, I have something to share with the group.....errmmm, I was having another listen to SAW 2 yesterday and well...um, i found myself liking some of the tracks. I believe I could have been talking out of my arse previously......is this OK?. |
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XePhA88 from San Jose, CA on 2001-03-28 09:20 [#00001698] | |||||||||
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yes that's okay alan, at least with me. the message board has me currently going through all my twin. it's amazing cause so far i find something unique and interesting about each song.... But I'm determined to find one... the highly debated SAWII is at the end of my list... I'll letcha guys know when I find one. |
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AFXDUB from canada on 2001-03-28 09:20 [#00001699] | |||||||||
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this is perfectly acceptable.... |
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nano from malmö/sweden on 2001-03-28 10:00 [#00001705] | |||||||||
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i think there is something wery wrong with my stereo beacause i cant listen to ventolin at a normal volume without that hi-freq sound hurting to much. |
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XePhA88 from San Jose, CA on 2001-03-28 10:04 [#00001707] | |||||||||
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try listening to it on another (and good) stereo.. if it still hurts, it may be you, otherwise it's probabbly your stereo. or you just don't lke the song, eh? some ppl ask me WTF!?! are you listenign to when i'm beatin' ventolin out.. tee hee |
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jackhm from england on 2001-03-28 12:29 [#00001716] | |||||||||
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i like SAWII |
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alan flifton from outer mongolia on 2001-03-28 12:41 [#00001718] | |||||||||
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nano, you may have an ear infection, this could be the root of your problem. |
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Glitch from New Zealand on 2001-03-28 12:53 [#00001720] | |||||||||
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Dont Listen to Ventolin with earphones, Well if you want, but not when your near people, they only hear the really high bits and they ask you why your listening to crickets |
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Well, I particularly dislike AFX 2...it seems a little "doing the same thing" thing... Though, I like "bonus high frequency sounds"... |
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'bonus high frequency sounds' is picture data with tom and rich fooling around. it also includes some info about men records. |
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this is going to turn into a smojphace thread isn't it? |
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smojphace is good *i was going to give this thread a bump about 7 days ago, but i was going to let the demon rest/die |
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