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Laqeuro
from New York City (United States) on 2002-06-27 07:26 [#00286650]
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oh my god this is dumb. the goverment is trying to remove the "Under God" part in the pledge of alegance. this is b.s. this country was built on religion.
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steve
from chicago on 2002-06-27 08:32 [#00286676]
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First of all, it's not "the government" doing this. Members of congress, even the President is outraged at this judge's decision. I doubt it'll hold up.
I have no opinion on the matter.
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Xanatos
from New York City (United States) on 2002-06-27 08:34 [#00286677]
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Um, you are aware that the original pledge did not have the words under god?
It was "one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all", congress voted to add under god in 1954.
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Xanatos
from New York City (United States) on 2002-06-27 08:35 [#00286679]
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Not like they are taking something out that was in the original pledge as part of some modern politically correct movement. They never should have added those words in the first place.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-27 09:56 [#00286726]
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im personally happy they are geting rid of it.
i dont beleive in god, so why should i recognize his presense?
and whats with "in god we trust" on our money
thats totaly bullshit too
fucking christians... just trying to spread christianity in every way possible... even when its clearly against the constitution
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-06-27 10:00 [#00286731]
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These are the following inanimate objects I recite mantras to on a regular basis:
rocks
furniture
piecies of cloth attatched to the top of sticks
You should hear my rock mantra... It kicks the pledge of allegance's ass.
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Bob Mcbob
on 2002-06-27 10:05 [#00286740]
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zeus im ashamed of u...a Christian country should not change for the benefit of any non christians living within....trying to change how we beleive, they should keep their religions (or cynisism about religion) to themselves and let the rest of us worship as a nation, we shuld be proud of who we are.....ok so im mostly talking about the uk there but it still applys for the usa, leave the Under God in!
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-27 10:08 [#00286743]
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no way man
america is about equal oppertunnities for all. it was made to be a haven for whoever wanted to come.
for this reason, we decided to seperate church and state, so people wouldnt have conflicting views that caused turmoil.
the idea to seperate church and state is a wonderful one...
but because the people in high places at the time, and today, are mostly christians.
America was not established to be a christian state... it just turned out that way.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-06-27 10:10 [#00286746]
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Too all off you:
Sorry that aBrit has to point it out, but the "In God we trust" and the eye-pyramid on US money are actually jewish, not Christian.
Bob: I agree, the point of a democracy is that it panders to the majority of people in it. In the US about 74% of the pop. claim to be Christians, therefore it should be a country that uses Christian values etc.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-06-27 10:11 [#00286747]
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off = of, sorry :)
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nacmat
on 2002-06-27 10:16 [#00286755]
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I dont think so...74% is a lot but 26% out of 250 millions is a lot too... I mean why a jewish or a musulman have to stand that...if you are a plural country then its better not to pronounce on one single religion... all the popullation must be represented, so you ve got to find values that represent everybody
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Bob Mcbob
on 2002-06-27 10:16 [#00286756]
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sorry if this doenst make much sence but-i beleive in God and i feel everyone should worship Him weather u beleive or not becuase he made you....
although if the usa is an 'equal oppertunities' nation, then i guess religion and state should be kept seperate...
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-27 10:19 [#00286758]
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ok, well even if it IS jewish.. (although i was totaly unaware of that... and rather skeptical...) i still dont need to have religious content... even from judism on my money.
and yes there is the majority... but it doesnt mean it should be a part of the government. theres is no reason for it.
so 70% is christian... who cares? they can pray and practice it on their own time just like everyone else.
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Bob Mcbob
on 2002-06-27 10:21 [#00286761]
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hmm i guess there should be more jewish things in america, after all there are more jews in the usa than in the rest of the world put together
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-27 10:23 [#00286762]
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well, see... thats just your belief... i think there is no such thing as god.
exactly why it shouldnt be part of the goverment... because we both have our beliefs, and beleifs dont change. too much fighting comes from it...and it goes no where. its better just to not even go there.
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Bob Mcbob
on 2002-06-27 10:26 [#00286765]
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why did u call yourself Zeus anyway!
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-27 10:28 [#00286766]
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hehe
i enjoy the greek mythology... as a MYTH
its interesting... and i must admit alot of religious stories are interesting... but i still dont want to read about them on my money, and in my pledge of allegience etc
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-06-27 10:31 [#00286772]
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hehe, I thought that this thread was about Jello Biafra :)
Why oh why can't people just be people and stop being controlled by flags?
sigh....
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Laqeuro
from New York City (United States) on 2002-06-27 17:29 [#00287123]
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i agree with zues that the christian religion is shoved down peoples throats a lot and there's to many christian specials and shit on tv but still i don't see anything wrong with saying under god. besides i think people who don't believe in god shouldn't have a voice in this country (no offense zues).
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Laqeuro
from New York City (United States) on 2002-06-27 17:30 [#00287124]
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hahahhahahahaha it's kinda ironic that my post number is 666 and my post is about god.
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-06-27 17:47 [#00287143]
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I HATE EVEYONES EQUAL RIGHTS AND THOUGHTS....THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA MENTIONS god, DO WE GET RID OF THE CONSTITUTION ?
if you dont like the mention of god, dont say it, dont try to get rid of $$$$ that says "in god we trust"
if you want to censor the pleadge of allegiance, move away from the usa
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-27 17:52 [#00287152]
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why shouldnt aethiests not have a say in america?
i guess you all are christians...
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-06-27 17:58 [#00287160]
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zeus----im just a simple man like moby
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-27 17:59 [#00287163]
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i used to like moby but now he pisses me off
no offense
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-06-27 18:02 [#00287168]
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why did he do to piss you off ?
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wildrover
from springfield (United States) on 2002-06-27 18:06 [#00287173]
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as far as god goes, visit www.me_own.blogspot.com
as far as taking god out of the country, it is unconstitional to have religion and government mixed, so it should be removed.
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wildrover
from springfield (United States) on 2002-06-27 18:07 [#00287175]
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about god visit: www.me_own.blogspot.com
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-06-27 18:11 [#00287183]
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Some of the founding fathers of the USA (Jefferson, Franklin, a few more I can't remember) were not Christian, but Deist. People conveniently forget this sometimes. Deists aren't atheists, however - they believe in a Creator.
I support removing the words. They shouldn't have been added in the first place.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-27 18:26 [#00287198]
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moby was inovative on play
18 sucked so bad
same exact thing as play... but not good
and he has a show on mtv
sell out
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Xanatos
from New York City (United States) on 2002-06-27 18:30 [#00287208]
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"i think people who don't believe in god shouldn't have a voice in this country"
What a coincidence, I think people like you shouldn't have a voice, period. (Or any other means of communication to spread your ignorant ideas)
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-27 18:30 [#00287211]
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FUCKING A RIGHT MAN
xantos is on the level
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Laqeuro
from New York City (United States) on 2002-06-27 18:32 [#00287217]
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all you guys prolly think i'm some religion freak now and i'm gonna say now that i'm not some holy roller and i realize that what i said in the earlier post is kind of ignorant and offends a lot of people. so just ignore it considering i should be a whole lot open minded about religions and you guys have just as much voice as me if not more.
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Xanatos
from New York City (United States) on 2002-06-27 18:37 [#00287224]
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Cool...
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2002-06-27 18:46 [#00287240]
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Christianity is the biggest crock of shit since John Edwards.
I was raised as a Catholic in America. And I must say, this country was NOT built on religion, and it never should be. Organized religion is the biggest downfall of this planet.
Religion should be personal, make it whatever you want, and DONT impose it on other people (That INCLUDES your own children).
"...a Christian country should not change for the benefit of any non christians living within....trying to change how we beleive, they should keep
their religions (or cynisism about religion) to themselves and let the rest of us worship as a nation, we shuld be
proud of who we are.....ok so im mostly talking about the uk
there but it still applys for the usa, leave the Under God in! "
This is fine for the UK, because I dont really know what goes on there, so I cant say anything about that. But here in the USA this is NOT a christian country (no matter how many christians are living here) and our laws should not change to accommodate the religious people (although our laws do). Thats bullshit. Christianity will never rule the world and it shouldn't.
___________________________ "besides i think people who don't believe in god shouldn't have a voice in this country "
What the fuck!? Do you hear what you are saying. Are you actually listening to the garbage you are spewing out? Correct me if I'm wrong but you are basically saying: If i'm not religious, I should have no say in how this country runs itself.
If this is correct: Go fuck yourself If i'm wrong: I'm sorry.
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