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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-26 21:26 [#00286060]
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ok, for all you people who write music out there... what are your thoughts on this?
im am saving up lots of money to basically build my studio (one peice at a time... hehe) and ive been asking around for advice
a good amount of people say that digital (ie. software) is all i will need for the most part, and that the whole "cold quality" is a load of crap
but then there are the people who say, that hardware is always better, because it sounds warmer etc..
anyone have any thoughts?
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wildrover
from springfield (United States) on 2002-06-26 21:34 [#00286074]
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working in both formats, now i'd say at least from a video stand point digital is easier to have more control over your surroundings but there are also many down falls, like the computer constantly crashing and not being able to work for more than five minutes without starting off where you last saved, and hey there is always something to be said about analogue sound, it is warmer and uncompressed, real time and maybe even more difficult to control, but its all what you prefer, try different things out.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-26 21:35 [#00286077]
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hmmm hmmm hmmmm
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wildrover
from springfield (United States) on 2002-06-26 21:38 [#00286082]
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with the price of computers today, you could pobably do both, analogue to digital for final edit or something, pro tools would work great for that.
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-06-26 21:39 [#00286085]
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hardware can be easier to use, and much more intuitive, so its easier to quickly get ur ideas accross
start off with software cus its free *wink wink* (i think u know what i mean)
......so u have nothing to lose by trying it, u might as well try it first
if u really dont like it, or u miss the 'touch-feely-ness' of hardware, u can always get some later.....
but remember: most hardware is digital these days
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-26 21:40 [#00286087]
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its crazy
ahhh
its also a money issue too
i mean, a top of the line hardware sampler is like 2000+ dollars...
a top of the line software sampler is like 300 dollars. the software is probably eaiser to use, and more versatile... but arguably has less warm sounds...
same goes for everything else... synths etc...
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-26 21:42 [#00286091]
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well, ive been using mostly software...
so thats what im used to...
but it was mainly because i could download it
now that im thinking about making a pro studio, i was considering hardware, becasuse i will save up as much money as i need... but im just wondering if its worth it...
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2002-06-26 21:45 [#00286094]
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I don't think so.......software will get more advance over the next years, theres no need to invest in old analogue equipment.......
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wildrover
from springfield (United States) on 2002-06-26 21:48 [#00286096]
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another wierd melding of software and hardware these days is that you can control your hardware from your computer! i have two cameras, same make different models that can be controlled by pinnacle!
i like to think i'm an old school guy, i have to hate digital, don't i.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-26 21:53 [#00286107]
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my teacher thinks that alls i need is "logic, exs24 softsampler, csound, and a audio interface (the only peice of external equipment)"
i find it hard to beleive... but he does know his shit...
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license
from out of nowhere on 2002-06-26 21:55 [#00286111]
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I got my Akai S2000 for $250, including shipping. It ain't top of the line exactly, but it's upgradeable, it's CD quality, and it's more than I need.
I think that the bottom line is that you need to find gear and software that you feel comfortable with. I was once under the persuasion that the best gear was the stuff that you could do the most with. now I believe that the user interface is the key to being creative and productive and making quality stuff. you need something simple, with everything either right there in front of you or only a couple button presses/knob flicks away. and as far as that goes, most modern softsynths can be controlled by MIDI hardware.
as far as actual sound, software wins out, in my opinion. you only really hear the difference between analogue and digital when you're actually playing it - once it's recorded to CD/mp3, there's technically no difference. and when you record gear, you're also getting line noise and other interference, whereas in the software world, you're working with perfect, pure sound.
I personally use hardware because I don't like looking at a computer screen. I still record straight to computer though. I'm thinking of getting a minidisc recorder so that I can record onto that from my mixer and then just transfer the MD to computer.
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license
from out of nowhere on 2002-06-26 21:58 [#00286114]
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actually, your teacher's right. in fact, you can basically do anything you want at all using just csound. his approach definitely has an emphasis on the end product, though, and not the actual creative process - IMHO, the destination and not the journey ;)
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-26 21:58 [#00286116]
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i think im gonna have to go with software then
im alot more comfortable with looking at a computor screen etc...
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-26 22:01 [#00286120]
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yeah, he said that if i can learn csound, and have a sampler, thats all i need
luckily ill be taking a csound course by none other then Dr Boulenger... one of the creators of csound
rock!
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license
from out of nowhere on 2002-06-26 22:23 [#00286150]
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what?!?! holy shit...you are very lucky! at what school does Boulanger teach? isn't it MIT?
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license
from out of nowhere on 2002-06-26 22:24 [#00286152]
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have you read the cSound book yet? it's excellent...even if you decide to go the hardware route, it teaches you a lot of important sound design principles. I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to make music with gear or software.
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MrTenzin
from The Concrete Jungle (United States) on 2002-06-26 22:25 [#00286154]
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digital is so cheep and so good!!!
if u got skillz u can make fat digital music for cheeps
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-26 22:47 [#00286195]
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the Berklee college of music
i wont be taking the class until like a year or two... i got alot of pre reqs to fill in first...
im actually trying to get in touch with his son. I talked to him after a performance i saw.. and i told him i was interested in performing with them.. i have to get a cd to him...
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license
from out of nowhere on 2002-06-26 22:50 [#00286202]
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yeah, digital's great. I think the thread really should have been called "hardware vs. software" though. cos I have some digital synths that I absolutely adore (TX81z, RY30, DJX)
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-26 22:52 [#00286205]
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yeah, sorry about the misuse of terms...
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Aktium
from cleveland (United States) on 2002-06-27 01:21 [#00286370]
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in school there was a studio with an analogue bord and an alesies hd24 digital tape machine. i love that set up the best. the hd24 is amazing for punch ins and shit like that, plus you also get the anolgue sound on it.
all though i love the mackie d8b also, just for its automation and how there are different pages on it. plus you don't really need a patch bay for it, you can use all the effects off of computer software.
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nacmat
on 2002-06-27 01:30 [#00286380]
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analogue bubblebath vs. digitial sauna???
you mean?
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