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offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-26 21:26 [#00286060]
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ok, for all you people who write music out there... what
are your thoughts on this?

im am saving up lots of money to basically build my studio
(one peice at a time... hehe) and ive been asking around for
advice

a good amount of people say that digital (ie. software) is
all i will need for the most part, and that the whole "cold
quality" is a load of crap

but then there are the people who say, that hardware is
always better, because it sounds warmer etc..

anyone have any thoughts?


 

offline wildrover from springfield (United States) on 2002-06-26 21:34 [#00286074]
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working in both formats, now i'd say at least from a video
stand point digital is easier to have more control over your
surroundings but there are also many down falls, like the
computer constantly crashing and not being able to work for
more than five minutes without starting off where you last
saved, and hey there is always something to be said about
analogue sound, it is warmer and uncompressed, real time and
maybe even more difficult to control, but its all what you
prefer, try different things out.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-26 21:35 [#00286077]
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hmmm hmmm hmmmm


 

offline wildrover from springfield (United States) on 2002-06-26 21:38 [#00286082]
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with the price of computers today, you could pobably do
both, analogue to digital for final edit or something, pro
tools would work great for that.


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-06-26 21:39 [#00286085]
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hardware can be easier to use, and much more intuitive, so
its easier to quickly get ur ideas accross

start off with software cus its free *wink wink* (i think u
know what i mean)
......so u have nothing to lose by trying it, u might as
well try it first

if u really dont like it, or u miss the 'touch-feely-ness'
of hardware, u can always get some later.....

but remember:
most hardware is digital these days


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-26 21:40 [#00286087]
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its crazy

ahhh

its also a money issue too

i mean, a top of the line hardware sampler is like 2000+
dollars...

a top of the line software sampler is like 300 dollars. the
software is probably eaiser to use, and more versatile...
but arguably has less warm sounds...

same goes for everything else... synths etc...


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-26 21:42 [#00286091]
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well, ive been using mostly software...

so thats what im used to...

but it was mainly because i could download it

now that im thinking about making a pro studio, i was
considering hardware, becasuse i will save up as much money
as i need... but im just wondering if its worth it...


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2002-06-26 21:45 [#00286094]
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I don't think so.......software will get more advance over
the next years, theres no need to invest in old analogue
equipment.......


 

offline wildrover from springfield (United States) on 2002-06-26 21:48 [#00286096]
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another wierd melding of software and hardware these days is
that you can control your hardware from your computer! i
have two cameras, same make different models that can be
controlled by pinnacle!
i like to think i'm an old school guy, i have to hate
digital, don't i.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-26 21:53 [#00286107]
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my teacher thinks that alls i need is "logic, exs24
softsampler, csound, and a audio interface (the only peice
of external equipment)"

i find it hard to beleive... but he does know his shit...


 

offline license from out of nowhere on 2002-06-26 21:55 [#00286111]
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I got my Akai S2000 for $250, including shipping. It ain't
top of the line exactly, but it's upgradeable, it's CD
quality, and it's more than I need.

I think that the bottom line is that you need to find gear
and software that you feel comfortable with. I was once
under the persuasion that the best gear was the stuff that
you could do the most with. now I believe that the user
interface is the key to being creative and productive and
making quality stuff. you need something simple, with
everything either right there in front of you or only a
couple button presses/knob flicks away. and as far as that
goes, most modern softsynths can be controlled by MIDI
hardware.

as far as actual sound, software wins out, in my opinion.
you only really hear the difference between analogue
and digital when you're actually playing it - once it's
recorded to CD/mp3, there's technically no difference. and
when you record gear, you're also getting line noise and
other interference, whereas in the software world, you're
working with perfect, pure sound.

I personally use hardware because I don't like looking at a
computer screen. I still record straight to computer though.
I'm thinking of getting a minidisc recorder so that I can
record onto that from my mixer and then just transfer the MD
to computer.


 

offline license from out of nowhere on 2002-06-26 21:58 [#00286114]
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actually, your teacher's right. in fact, you can basically
do anything you want at all using just csound. his
approach definitely has an emphasis on the end product,
though, and not the actual creative process - IMHO, the
destination and not the journey ;)


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-26 21:58 [#00286116]
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i think im gonna have to go with software then

im alot more comfortable with looking at a computor screen
etc...


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-26 22:01 [#00286120]
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yeah, he said that if i can learn csound, and have a
sampler, thats all i need

luckily ill be taking a csound course by none other then Dr
Boulenger... one of the creators of csound

rock!


 

offline license from out of nowhere on 2002-06-26 22:23 [#00286150]
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what?!?! holy shit...you are very lucky!
at what school does Boulanger teach? isn't it MIT?


 

offline license from out of nowhere on 2002-06-26 22:24 [#00286152]
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have you read the cSound book yet? it's excellent...even if
you decide to go the hardware route, it teaches you a lot of
important sound design principles. I'd recommend it to
anyone who wants to make music with gear or software.


 

offline MrTenzin from The Concrete Jungle (United States) on 2002-06-26 22:25 [#00286154]
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digital is so cheep and so good!!!

if u got skillz u can make fat digital music for cheeps


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-26 22:47 [#00286195]
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the Berklee college of music

i wont be taking the class until like a year or two... i got
alot of pre reqs to fill in first...

im actually trying to get in touch with his son. I talked to
him after a performance i saw.. and i told him i was
interested in performing with them.. i have to get a cd to
him...


 

offline license from out of nowhere on 2002-06-26 22:50 [#00286202]
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yeah, digital's great. I think the thread really should have
been called "hardware vs. software" though. cos I have some
digital synths that I absolutely adore (TX81z, RY30, DJX)


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-26 22:52 [#00286205]
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yeah, sorry about the misuse of terms...


 

offline Aktium from cleveland (United States) on 2002-06-27 01:21 [#00286370]
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in school there was a studio with an analogue bord and an
alesies hd24 digital tape machine. i love that set up the
best. the hd24 is amazing for punch ins and shit like that,
plus you also get the anolgue sound on it.

all though i love the mackie d8b also, just for its
automation and how there are different pages on it. plus
you don't really need a patch bay for it, you can use all
the effects off of computer software.


 

offline nacmat on 2002-06-27 01:30 [#00286380]
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analogue bubblebath vs. digitial sauna???

you mean?



 


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