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Aphex Twin and Fame/Selling out
 

Dirty Priest from Denmark on 2001-07-17 14:02 [#00015852]



i was thinking about this the other day.
Why are someone against Aphex twin being played at mtv and
the fact that more and more people like him?
please explain. i came to the conclusion the other day, that
i had been doing something, and not knowing why. for a time
i hated the Prodegy and the people who liked them (!)
because they where "Famous". and i started thinking WHY!
Theres no doubt that a track like Smack my bitch up rocks
big time, but still people (wich was me for a time) hate
them for being to commercial. but isnt it about the music?
actually the prodegy is the reason i today like aphex twin.
i remember when fat of the land just came out i borrowed it
from a friend, and liked it a lot. Aphex twin was only the
next step. i think without the prodegy, i could have been
one of those poor sods who had the chance to get into aphex
twin, but never bothered because he/she where to busy
listening to their oasis records (now there are some people
i hate, but this is because they are talentless gits)
the musician tom waits describes what he calls being "The
right amount of famous". enough to sell records, and to
little for everyone to rave about on the street.

what are peoples oppinions on this subject? has aphex twin
become to famous?


 

chicken paste man!! on 2001-07-17 14:04 [#00015854]



i agree with you mate.
have a glass of chicken paste.


 

John Wayne Gacy from dead on 2001-07-17 14:15 [#00015860]



I hate when artists become extremley commercial because they
have, i guess, stigma. A sort of thing that comes with it.
You know how when you hear a song, for instance "Stuck In
The Middle With You", when I hear that I think of that scene
in Reservoir Dogs, but that's not really bad stigma. Do you
remember when Come To Daddy was released, there was the girl
that likes shit bands like Travis, Coldplay, and Limp
Bizkit, and she also thought that "scary midget video" is
"wicked."
What if Aphex Twin, for whatever reason, bedame extremley
big amongst the omish community? Then you'd associate Aphex
will them, you'd have "the song that they build their houses
to" and the "song they eat their poridge too."
I have no idea what the fuck i'm talking about.


 

Scary Bear on 2001-07-17 15:48 [#00015887]



me neither


 

The Grey Gentleman from Eugene, Oregon on 2001-07-17 16:14 [#00015892]



Two points:

1) Richard himself has said he doesn't want to be
well-known. I actually believe him when he says this. I
think he's elaborated on this in some of his interviews, but
I can't be bothered to go back and paste some of them.

2) I think becoming more "mainstream" generally causes you
to push fewer boundaries, even if subliminally, to please
the status quo.

Hell, and when they're less famous, you don't have to deal
with EVERYONE and their uncle talking about them 24/7 ;-)

I do not live and breath Aphex, and I reckon I don't think
about him a lot, either. I AM however, tired of hearing how
good Linkin Park & Limp Bizkit are...


 

Stone from Hell, U.S.A. on 2001-07-17 16:39 [#00015902]



The thing with Richard is that he was on that brink of
becoming really famous, at least in the States, back in '97
or so when the "Come to Daddy" video got hype and rotation
on Mtv. I mean really, if he had wanted to he probably
could have taken full advantage of it, become a big (rock?)
star, possibly led a new music revolution...but it would
have probably ended up becoming played out and stupid, as is
what usually happens when Mtv and mainstream radio take a
scene and protitute it mass-consumerism.

He dropped that video right after the Prodigy came out and
there was all this talk of Electronica as the next big push
in music since everyone was played out on 'Alternative'
music...but Aphex didn't take the bait, and for that I have
even more respect for him. I mean really, he probably makes
a fair amount of money, but he could've made a shitload more
and become a worldwide mainstream phenomenon if he'd wanted
to.

Then again, maybe I over-estimate the intelligence of the
record buying public...could someone with music as complex
as Aphex Twin appeal to a mass mainstream audience? A lot
of people were probably fooled into thinking "Come To Daddy"
was what all his songs sounded like, so who knows?

I'm just ecstatic that he's finally decided to release
something new, and I hope at the very least that the new
album gets some exposure and maybe add on a somewhat larger
fanbase, sort of like rock bands like Radiohead or Tool or
NIN have. Just loyal fans who are intelligent and like good
music.


 

vagina on 2001-07-17 16:47 [#00015904]



once at school, "Milk Man" was playing and someone, who
really likes 'come to daddy' and hasn't ever heard any other
aphex except for windowlicker, said "what's this shit?"


 

penis on 2001-07-17 16:51 [#00015906]



fans like radiohead has? radiohead fans are probably the
worst fans in the world, they're alwasys complaining how
their new albums don't sound like ok computer. "oh.. i wish
they would just copy the bends again, i really liked that
album." Radiohead fans are shit. I hate that girl from Texas
saying, about Thom "if you wanna make music for yourself, go
back and stay in your fucking room"


 

dingle berry from on a small plastic chair breathing fire on 2001-07-17 17:06 [#00015923]



STEPS are more underground than APHEX?


 

Chimp Systems from Vague Island on 2001-07-17 17:15 [#00015928]



I'm sure that STEPS aren't underground because they want to
be.


 

Chimp Systems from Vague Island on 2001-07-17 17:18 [#00015929]



Right, this is the real Chimp Systems. Well done mister
clone, you've chased me off the fucking board. I give up.
Have your hollow little victory you brave little man. I used
to love coming on this board, but phukit, I guess I've had
it ruined for me by some sad, bitter little shit. Well
fucking done mate. Big up yourself. Nice one.

Bye.


 

Chimp Systems from Vague Island on 2001-07-17 18:13 [#00015951]



Finally my clone has given up. I was really sick of that guy
copying me. You've made the right choic, clone. When you
return to the board under a diffrent name, remember, I'll be
waiting.

Love and chill pills and radical catpenis, your erotic pal
Chimp.


 

ross on 2001-07-17 20:18 [#00015982]



penis- a lot of radiohead wish they would go back to ok
computer, which is extremely sad..kid a was a damn fine
album, as was amnesiac (though not as much so as K.A.)
radiohead has a lot of dumb fans because they started off as
a quite normal alternative band that just kept on getting
more complex and interesting..to think some people prefer
pablo honey over anything else they've done *sacrilege!*


 

ross on 2001-07-17 20:19 [#00015983]



*a lot of radiohead fans i mean


 

The Grey Gentleman from Eugene, Oregon on 2001-07-17 20:23 [#00015985]



In short, with the MTV/Come to Daddy craze, Rich could've
pulled off a Beck.

Take one formerly "underground" artist with amazing
recordings, plaster him all over MTV for a single song, and
then have him "sell out" and make shit pop music, and dress
like an Alice in Wonderland version of Marilyn Manson. Where
is Beck now? Not really doing anything different...

Rich may or may not be along these lines of thinking, but
I'm glad to see that he didn't go that route when Come To
Daddy hit the MTV craze.

I really do appreciate RDJ's imperfections and abrasiveness
in his music. I think his slick melodies overlaid onto noise
override my impulse to eject his CDs and chuck them out my
window. But on the other hand, if they were just slick
melodies without the noise, it'd probably sound like Yanni.

Then again, I wonder why I'm typing so much about someone
else's life when I have so much of my own to live/deal with
;-)

(See Beck's One Foot In The Grave, a truly excellent album.
Experimental folk punk with edgy riffs. See anything after
Odelay for pure shit pop. Odelay at least made my day wit
the cool Moog riffs.)

Disclaimer: I've never heard any of Yanni's music, and all I
know of him is that he plays piano at the Acropolis, and
looks rather 1980's Hall & Oates Butt Pop queer.

Disclaimer #2: I like queers

Disclaimer #3: But not in a biblical sense ;-)


 

Clobe Smith from over here on 2001-07-17 20:51 [#00015999]



why would i want radiohead to make o.k. computer part two,
when i all ready have part one? radiohead is cool because
they try new things. (much like aphex twin, right?)


 

Dirty Priest from Denmark on 2001-07-17 22:04 [#00016024]



I can agree with most that you say, but reversly, Come to
daddy pappy mix was what got me into aphex in the first
place!

Oh yeah, and windowlicker video. and the remix on NIN
further down the spiral.


 

hevquip from an egren's coffee shop on 2001-07-17 22:19 [#00016029]



i'd smack someone in the mouth for saying that Album B
doesn't sound like Album A enough. people that say that have
no clue as to what music is. i think music is about
retaining the personality and evolving the sound. if you
listen to all of rdj's stuff, it sounds different, but you
know it's his sound. if artists made music that sounded the
same as the day they started making music, it would feel and
sound outdated.


 

ross on 2001-07-17 22:58 [#00016046]



i quite like beck's mutations album though..right now beck
seems to be treading a lackluster path..his live shows,
while amazing, usually entail the same songs, with few new
tricks or cool parts


 

Stone from Hell, U.S.A. on 2001-07-18 03:45 [#00016071]



I apologize for starting the furor over Radiohead fans! I
just assumed they were like me in a way. I've followed the
band where they've taken me and been quite pleased. I've
been an Aphex Twin fan for a few years and was ecstatic when
Radiohead released Kid A cause there were traces of Richard
all over that album.

But, sadly, my procrastinating ass still hasn't gone out to
buy Amnesiac. The only Radiohead album that I really have a
problem with is Pablo Honey. The songs are somewhat
mediocre, but hey, it was their first album. They
progressed. They didn't get stuck in the same formula and
they are still progressing, which is why I love them
dearly.

So, I wish that all fans of Radiohead would be patient, and
not pass imediate judgement on the direction the band is
going. I can see how someone who worshipped O.K. Computer
might disregard Kid A on the first spin, but keep spinnin'
it and it will grow on you.

Stone.


 

|REFLEX| from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada on 2001-07-18 04:49 [#00016083]



Hm I get to go now.

- Yes. I think that sometimes people get too commercial and
it gets to them in a way that they sell them selves out, I
would never make music for the "people" thats, I think when
people start to lose their original creativity and stop
thinking about specificly them, and I guess some of you call
that "selling out". Whatever.

Really though, I don't think that AFX is that famous, and
that thing with MTV, they do that here with MuchMusic, they
hype every video and make it sound so cool to watch, even
though they hate most of what they have to play, regardless
its their JOB to make it seem like they love it, hence Vj's.
{video jockey}

Selling out is a ROUGH topic because its really opinion
based, what you think someone did is selling out or
whatever, one may think otherwise. Its kind of pointless to
actually discuss it, at all really. I don't think AFX has
sold out or ever will, in my opinion he just does whatever
he feels like for himself, hes quoted as saying thins like
he just makes whatever he wants, and puts out whatevers
around at the time. There is only a small amount of people
that go into the business to become super famous and all
that glamm/buzz shit. Most have that attitude "ill never
sell out" and shit.

I think that selling out, for me is being a hypocrite of
your old ways, even if you are famous, you can stay the same
if you really care enough, thats not selling out in my
books.

>;D



 

Bogus on 2001-07-18 06:53 [#00016103]



OK computer is a great album, headphones make it even
better.

I like both kid a and amnesiac but i still need time to
figure out how much. Radiohead makes records in wich one day
you don't care much about some track but another day
something clicks and you just go "Oh my god this is
awesome!! how come i didn't realise this before?"

I love pablo honey... it's a more honest and direct album
than the bends.. it's.. yeah, Rock :)
---

i've only seen the come to daddy video once... and i think
it was on some garbage special or something like that were
they played the videos they like. aphex is not really known
where i live (mexico) you could say it's pretty underground
shit, the people who listen electronic music only know stuff
like *gulp* paul oakenfold.

and i'd really hate if suddenly he's known by everyone.

and i wish radiohed became underground hahaha


 

ross on 2001-07-18 07:15 [#00016115]



I can relate to that radiohead tracks suddenly hitting you
at points.."packt like sardines.." on the new album, ive
always liked, but for some reason, sometimes it just hits me
hard, others it's good, but excellent under other
situations/moods.
Radiohead have damn good bsides too..the pyramid song single
is amazing..im getting a little addicted to buying their
singles recently, im excited about the knives out one
(though that song is one of my least fav. on the new album,
but the bsides are always interesting)


 

Mescaline on 2001-07-18 08:41 [#00016146]



Mates what tha fuck?! I wanna see him every day on every
chanel, I just wanna say to this chicks who like Britney and
BSB - FUCK YOU!!!! A LOVE MUSIC OF APHEX TWIN. I can say
this now. But they can answer me: Whose that fucking Aphex?

I wanna Aphex's video to damage their brain, I wanna Aphex's
sound to burn their mind! :-))
Something 'bout Prodigy, thankx to them, without them i've
never became listen music like Aphex.


 

Chimp Systems from Vague Island on 2001-07-18 13:17 [#00016235]



Clobe Smith is a pretty good example of a bad Radiohead fan.


 

Bogus on 2001-07-18 19:06 [#00016381]



I think what clobe wanted to say is that radiohead don't
repeat themselves, so his "much like aphex twin, right?"
does make sense.

and he has a point why make OKC2 if you already have OKC?


 


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