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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-05-27 02:08 [#00236472]
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I just saw footage of a plane hit into the world trade centers on sept 11. it was horrible, people died that same moment it hit.
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Asche XL
on 2002-05-27 02:09 [#00236473]
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where the fuck have you been?
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-05-27 02:10 [#00236474]
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i know but i just saw other footage of it and i just wanted to get my feelings out
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Asche XL
on 2002-05-27 02:13 [#00236477]
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oh oh oh....sorry
i thought you meant you just heard about it
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-05-27 02:14 [#00236478]
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It really is insane. It never sunk in with me, I blocked it out of my mind. But whenever I see the footage or pics of the buildings (before, during or after), it almost seems too surreal, like a movie. Impossible to believe it actually happened.
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-05-27 02:16 [#00236481]
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lol i just heard of it?! lol...
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-05-27 02:17 [#00236482]
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and orphex, thats how i felt too :(
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-05-27 02:17 [#00236483]
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*blasts caustic window*
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-05-27 02:18 [#00236484]
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things broadcasted on television are easy to forget and throw away
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-05-27 02:19 [#00236485]
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tell that to the millions of brainwashed people who watch mtv
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-05-27 02:20 [#00236486]
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they wash artists they dont like out of their minds daily i'm sure -- the way mtv is divided up, everything is disposable
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-05-27 02:21 [#00236487]
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hmm good point
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-05-27 02:23 [#00236490]
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it's becoming harder for them to divide it up becuse some genre's are becoming more popular -- and there's more types of music arising
so what they do is encourage artists to combine genre styles and they'll show their videos -- people watch the videos and figure they can get on mtv if they do it -- the cycle begins. and they sound like shit.
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-05-27 02:24 [#00236491]
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lol yeah
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-05-27 02:25 [#00236492]
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same goes with the WTC
because it was on tv you chose whether or not you wanted to watch it -- and then how long you wanted to -- etc
it's disposable
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-05-27 04:19 [#00236576]
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WTC got knocked da fuck out, word up ;D
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-05-27 04:21 [#00236579]
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fuck you, dont even say that.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-05-27 04:23 [#00236582]
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you just made what he said worth anything by responding to it
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-05-27 04:25 [#00236583]
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true dat
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-05-27 04:36 [#00236600]
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obviously i don't support what happened on sept. 11 but you guys gotta get over it. our country does the same sort of shit, only we do it:
a) on a much smaller scale b) more often c) in total secrecy
it's just as bad if not worse when we do it because we're supposed to be a role model for other nations. anyway, i'm not in the mood to get into a political debate so i won't add anything else, i just wanted to give you something (serious) to think about.
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-05-27 04:40 [#00236603]
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*doesnt respond to stupidity*
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-05-27 04:40 [#00236604]
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funny the wtc was a result of a political debate -- of sorts
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-05-27 04:43 [#00236606]
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MAN YOU JUST DID
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Asche XL
on 2002-05-27 04:49 [#00236607]
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hahhah
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-05-27 05:05 [#00236615]
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I can say this since so far all posters have been from the US.
This thread is somewhat indicitive of why we got attacked, the free spread of often crazy american ideas. And I laugh, cuz this is why this country is so great.
We have dumbasses making fun of the loss of life, a few rational people not even supporting a response and trying to dole out reason, another person explaining the pop culture virus that is killing us quietly. This is f***in great.
This is what makes this country so fucking sweet. haha, fuck terrorists, even with the people who make up this country shitting on it, supporting it, and making fun, it still stands strong to allow that very converstation to continue. And people think they can bring that shit down with a building, 275 million Americans opinions and voices can't tear it down.
THat sounds super patriotic, but it's really just an observation of this thread.
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Thelonious Punk
from *fap fap fap* on 2002-05-27 05:08 [#00236616]
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titsworth was 100% right.. if you don't believe these attacks were provoked or The US doesn't do shit then you've got your head buried in the sand.
When I saw the planes I was hit at first as well, duuh, but then the implications of having an idiot like Bush in power started to sink in. Its starring into the jaws of world war 3 daily with that numbskull. We don't need him sprouting off like he did, we don’t need him to tell us these were terrorists attacks or make most believe they were in fact the FIRST terrorist attacks ever, we needed a world court we need people to put this into perspective. While its important to remember such things and those lost even though we can't replace them its also important to know what the media did and is doing, they played us all big time. Over here, (in the US) It was 24 hours straight of people jumping out of buildings.. Hmm, that's all very well but as Cygnus said, its disposable and so is everything else. Thousands die daily in other 3 rd places outside the US, and they're given a 3 seconds news piece, that's fucked up to me and it doesn't make sense. Then think of how many would die on a daily basis because of hunger and/or aids in lesser off places. Put things in your OWN perspective, not a media created one.
Living here since Sept. 11 th HAS been different, anyone who tells you otherwise is lying. There was a few people like my myself who started thinking things through and started asking questions but thrice fold more became part of this republican patriotic machine.. BOLLOCKS I tell you, utter bollocks. I want to move to the UK, so, who can set me up? Come on, England has Blaire, who’s a damn fool, but he’s better then Bush. Yup, plus England will have more GIGs..mmm..gigs..
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wayout
from the street of crocodiles on 2002-05-27 05:29 [#00236618]
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having an idiot like Bush starring into the jaws of world war in total secrecy doesn't make sense. remember people jumping out of buildings.. to put this into perspective Then think of how many would die on a
daily basis because of hunger and/or aids this country is a virus that is killing us quietly anyone who tells you otherwise is lying This thread is somewhat indicitive of why we got attacked, disposable brainwashed dumbasses like myself from the
US. who forget and throw away feelings because we're part of this media created patriotic machine
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Thelonious Punk
from *fap fap fap* on 2002-05-27 05:34 [#00236620]
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Exactly. Solution?! STOP EATING COWS!
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Thelonious Punk
from *fap fap fap* on 2002-05-27 05:38 [#00236623]
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As if that isn't enough reason to become a vegetarian Mcdonald beef patties contain 'traces of animal excrement' said one spokesman.. "Its obviously not harmful for human consumption because of the high temperatures we cook the beef at.." Yes, that's all very well mister Ronald but WE'RE STILL EATING SHIT!
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wayout
from the street of crocodiles on 2002-05-27 05:43 [#00236630]
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wow...my new dadaist technique of composing replies almost results in coherent posts...making the technique almost un-noticeble
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wayout
from the street of crocodiles on 2002-05-27 05:44 [#00236631]
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'traces of animal excrement' ...i wonder what the poop to beef ratio is in those things...theyre almost completely artificially flavored..so its not like we could tell the difference anyways...thats kinda scary isnt it?
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Thelonious Punk
from *fap fap fap* on 2002-05-27 05:45 [#00236632]
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Yeah, the fat and chemicals hide it well enough. mmmmm......
"Don't look baaccckkk like dylan in the movviieesss!"
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-05-27 05:46 [#00236633]
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wayout!!! you fiend, you!
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wayout
from the street of crocodiles on 2002-05-27 05:48 [#00236637]
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eh?
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-05-27 05:49 [#00236638]
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a magician never reveals his secret >:X
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wayout
from the street of crocodiles on 2002-05-27 05:51 [#00236639]
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'twas already outlined in a previous thread
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-05-27 05:54 [#00236641]
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abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz 1234567890
there i just outlined every message ever on this messageboard
pulitzer please
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j bennion
from Leicester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-27 08:41 [#00236707]
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The us is suffering from a severe case of hurt pride. Us brits have had to deal with terrorist attacks for decades. Im not saying that osama was right in his actions (the guy is fucked in the head) but there is obviously alot of anti-us feeling in the world and most of it comes from the way in which armerica has consistantley peddled this patriotic, paternal, patronising attitude towards anyone and anything that dares to stand against them, 11/9 babylon is burning, they'll be more death before this is over.
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-27 11:25 [#00236916]
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"And I laugh, cuz this is why this country is so great."
No, its people like you saying stupid bullshit like that that are the reason for the attacks. Wake up, this should have been an oppurtunity to properly see why America is hated so much, yet the country swings towards being even more patriotic. Its not the free spread of American ideas, its the US's dollar diplomacy that is used to control the rest of the world and people are sick of it and you find it surprising there is retaliation? I don't hate America or American's, I just hate what it stands for.
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j bennion
from Leicester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-27 11:28 [#00236919]
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Hear hear
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-05-27 18:01 [#00237420]
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B3n, your full of shit m8.
The free spread of ideas and opinions is what this country is founded on.
I guess you can go to China and be oppressed, they don't seem to be the target of terrorists, they must be doing something right then eh??
Come on man, free speach and the spread of ideas by educated, dumbass and the masses is what makes this country great, you're debating public policy which is entirly different.
Thusly I take offense to you saying I am the reason anyone attacked this country, that's a pretty low blow for a comment about freedom of speach.
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-27 18:23 [#00237435]
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Well do you see planes flying into buildings in britain, france, belgium?....oh wait! I forgot, America is obviously the only free country in the world, how stupid of me!
Why did they decide to attack only America? There has to be some logical reason and its not because America isn't Muslim or that "the koran tells muslims to kill non-muslims" (which someone on this board stated before and was shown to be absolute bullshit)
I'm not debating only public policy, i'm debating the whole present ethos of America. Even people in america hate it, look at the amount of blacks becoming muslims in America, its to go against its white ideals (that don't ensure freedom for everyone).
I'm sorry if you take offence to what I said, but I still believe that it is the American psyche, like you demonstrated, that is the cause of the problems. Whether the means and consequences are justified or not is irrelevent.
No country is perfect, but America has to face up to it's responsibility or else this will just happen again and again. No amount of 'wars against terrorism' will stop it and worldwide terrorism cannot be stopped with bombs.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-05-27 18:38 [#00237448]
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i think that it's an insane tradgedy, but too many people are taking it way personally.
there's this lame ass page some where, where some dude did a memorial for the 9/11 victims, but it's like, he made 8 or 9 banners with pictures of people from various anime's and ffx, looking sad, and like "to the dearly departed of 9/11". which to me, just seems to defile their memory.
also, my ex was bitching about how people in africa starve to death, but they don't get round the clock coverage. then i had to point out to her THAT THEY DIDN"T GET RUN OVER BY A FUCKING PLANE.
this is america's problem. we're like fair-weather friends to our selves. "OH SHIT. PEOPLE DIED HARDCORE, LETS PUT FLAGS ON OUR CARS TO FIGHT TERRORISM"i'm not saying we should have flags on our cars always (never, i think), but it's really... i want to say hypocritical, but i don't think it's the right word, to only care when there's a crisis.
some lady called my friend at work (he's a deli boy at a grocery store) and asked if they had any small plastic american flags, he said no, she said "how un-american" and hung up.
now, if it were me she called, i would've *69'ed her ass and told her that if she's so god damn american, she should have all the fucking flags she needs.
this is why america was cornholed.
we're fucking full of our selves. my history teacher said they were jealous of our democracy and how great america is. the point is, she's the reason they did it. they're sick of american's being so fucking full of them selves. this was to show us that "hey, you're not so fucking great, look what we can do. POWEE"
it's america's fault as much as it is bin laden's.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-05-27 18:41 [#00237451]
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p.s. my avatar is from a comic strip called get your war on, which is all about the whole 9/11 situation...
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war.html
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-27 18:42 [#00237453]
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I know you weren't doing this to back me up, but well put and its nice to see some slightly more cynical people emerging from the barrage of propaganda.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-05-27 18:56 [#00237460]
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did you that george w bush reversed clinton's policy of keeping up tight airport security? possibly would have helped thwart the "arab" terrorists...
...also, whilst clinton was keen on mediating in the middle east conflicts/keeping on good terms with them all, his right-wing successor, one george w bush, effectively told them to fuck off and sort out their own problems (of course, america had NOTHiNG to do with helping create those problems)
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-05-27 19:01 [#00237464]
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roygbivcore has a nice point, well thought out. However, I think you are missing a good part of this.
American policy is fucked, I agree. I say this based on a few things:
1)foreign policy, why the fuck are we the worlds police? 2)politicians are elected by slining mud and making promises, we don't have citizens in office, we have public opinion robots
3)there is no reform without something like a big tradgey, people don't make it happen on their own
In that, America is wrong, I admit it. However, reform needs to come from the American people and it's politicans. Once you force reform through violence, not even civil disobediance, just mindless violence, reason goes out the window and nothing is going to be solved.
Our hand was forced, and if you think anyone has going to watch their family, their brother or sister get shot and not go after the killer, you aren't human.
It is reactionary becuase reform is being forced from outside this country, not within. Reform in foreign policy should have come years ago, this wouldn't have happened. Or maybe then you get into people hating our capitalism, but still, reformed shouldn't have come to being forced, it should have happened long ago, sad.
Again, I think this is a thread, even with our UK friends, that shines about the greatness of free countries, America included, and that was my only point from before.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2002-05-27 19:01 [#00237467]
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i get angry sometimes...
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-05-27 19:06 [#00237470]
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and of course, george w bush was in business with bin laden's brother in the 1970s -- nice family connexion there
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LPB
from Regina (Canada) on 2002-05-27 19:08 [#00237475]
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Please don't bring up 9/11. Sad times. :'( Prayers go to lost ones still.
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