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offline jabizzy from St. Louis, Misery. Er, that's (United States) on 2002-05-15 21:57 [#00221466]
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what bothers your about the English language?

For me it's the fact that we say ring, rang, and rung, and
we say sing, sang, and sung, but then we don't say bring
brang and brung. We say brought. But you don't say 'rought'
instead rang or rung. "We let the phone rought off the
hook." This language is seriously whacked.


 

offline jabizzy from St. Louis, Misery. Er, that's (United States) on 2002-05-15 21:57 [#00221467]
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-- my example sentence there was meant to be "The phone
rought off the hook". No sense being even more confusing.


 

offline plugexpert from Nijmegen (Netherlands, The) on 2002-05-15 21:58 [#00221468]
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Try talking Dutch,.......


 

offline afxNUMB from So.Flo on 2002-05-15 21:59 [#00221470]
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Mine would be the Hung and hang..only certain times you can
use those words even though it looks like you can use them
to describe the samethings....hang and hung.

I've never used rung...or rought.


 

offline MO2 from Minneapolis, MN (United States) on 2002-05-15 22:00 [#00221471]
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si.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-15 22:04 [#00221473]
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"there was a picture of a lamp on a table."

was it a picture of... a lamp on a table
or
a picture of a lamp... on a table


 

offline afxNUMB from So.Flo on 2002-05-15 22:06 [#00221475]
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Yikes....


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-15 22:11 [#00221477]
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I'm not saying she stole my coat.

This sentence has about 6 different meanings based on which
word you put the emphasis on...

I'm not saying she stole my coat.

I'm not saying she stole my coat.

I'm not saying she stole my coat.

I'm not saying she stole my coat.

etc.


 

offline Phatbert 000 from Augsburg (Germany) on 2002-05-15 22:14 [#00221480]
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there's nothing worse than Irish. Fucking awful language.
I know.
I spent 7 years having to learn it.


 

offline uzim on 2002-05-15 22:16 [#00221482]
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of course not. she didn't stole your coat, she just turned
it into a cute little kitty with her magical spell. the bad
thing is that the magic spell turned her clothes into
kitties too, so she's totally naked now. that's a dangerous
coat you had there...


 

offline uzim on 2002-05-15 22:21 [#00221488]
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everything mentioned there have equivalents in other
languages... that's not specific to the english language.

il y avait une image d'une lampe sur une table.

je ne dis pas qu'elle a volé mon manteau.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-15 22:23 [#00221490]
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Am I reterdad or are all those "meanings" basically the
same... I could very well be retarded, I have no problem
with that, but I'm pretty sure that, yes indeed, they are
all the same.


 

offline uzim on 2002-05-15 22:29 [#00221493]
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I'm not saying she stole my coat. = someone else is
saying it.

I'm not saying she stole my coat. = i'm just thinking
it. or whispering it. or screaming it. or writing it. or
engraving it on her door. or transmitting it to my cat by
telepathy.

I'm not saying she stole my coat. = someone else
stole it.

I'm not saying she stole my coat. = she did something
else with it.

I'm not saying she stole my coat. = she stole someone
else's coat.

I'm not saying she stole my coat. = she stole
something else which belonged to me.

I'm not saying she stole my coat. = someone else is
saying it.

I'm not saying she stole my coat. = i'm just thinking
it. or whispering it. or screaming it. or writing it. or
engraving it on her door. or transmitting it to my cat by
telepathy.

I'm not saying she stole my coat. = someone else
stole it.

I'm not saying she stole my coat. = she did something
else with it.

I'm not saying she stole my coat. = she stole someone
else's coat.

I'm not saying she stole my
coat. = i'm drunk.


 

offline uzim on 2002-05-15 22:30 [#00221494]
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oops... sorry


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-15 22:31 [#00221497]
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No, the meaning is drastically altered according to the
emphasis. It's a well known example used in elocution
lessons for actors etc.

Based on the emphasis it means,

someone stole the coat.

someone took or borrowwed my coat, but not neccesarily
stole it.

She didn't steal my coat, but she might have stolen someone
elses.

It wasn't me that implied she stole the coat.

It's not the coat that I'm saying she stole.

Uzim: You're right, this sort of thing is prevailent in
other languages too.


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-15 22:35 [#00221500]
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no they are different

#1.protesting about the fact that he's the one blaming
people.

#2.protesting that he said someone took his coat, and that
he didnt mean her.

#3.protesting that a coat has been stolen, not neccesarily
his.

#4.protesting that somethings been stolen, but not his
coat.

well, that's how i see it!
____
(/ - . - \)
\ __ /

hehe, ^ monkey.... or something!


 

offline uzim on 2002-05-15 22:35 [#00221501]
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all latin languages have similitudes... what's more
interesting is languages like japanese...

where languages really show their uniqueness is in
untranslatable puns (among some other things).


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-15 22:36 [#00221502]
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haha.... i did mine too late.... and the monkey came out
wrong

oh well, not like u can sue me :-)


 

offline Jedi Chris on 2002-05-15 23:29 [#00221566]
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Manderin Chinese is meant to be the most complicated
language to learn!


 

offline smokehammer from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-05-15 23:35 [#00221573]
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the problem with the English language is that I am able to
read "The Sun " before I am able to eat solid food.


 

offline Jedi Chris on 2002-05-15 23:37 [#00221576]
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I suppose it all boils down to what your first language is,
isn't it? You know, what you know! I have great respect for
people who speak English as a second language!


 

offline B3n from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-15 23:38 [#00221580]
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I love the way the English language is sometimes so odd!
especially in england (as regard to america)

the way there are some rules but they don't apply for
certain words


 

offline Jedi Chris on 2002-05-15 23:40 [#00221581]
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I find it strange how some American spelling is different
from ours. It's almost laziness.

Examples:

Neighbourhood - Neighborhood
Centre - Center
Favourite - Favorite
Colour - Color



 

offline smokehammer from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-05-15 23:41 [#00221582]
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"set" has around 14 meanings apparently

can't think of them all though...


 

offline Jedi Chris on 2002-05-15 23:41 [#00221583]
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Damn Americans....stealing our language and butchering it!

.....just kidding!


 

offline B3n from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-15 23:44 [#00221586]
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no no no, that'd be 'american' =)


 

offline smokehammer from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-05-15 23:48 [#00221592]
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DJ set ( mixed chosen group )
set of cutlery ( complete group )
badgers set ( community home )
set jelly ( solid state )
set sun ( state of finishing or being over )
rain set in ( becoming constant )
set up a date (arrange)
set out with intentions ...
set trap ...
set in tennis...

or are all these the same meaning used
differently ? hmmmm....

I'm amazed foreigners can be arsed to learn it.


 

offline Jedi Chris on 2002-05-15 23:52 [#00221600]
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What do Americans consider the language they speak as? Do
they speak American or English?

It's English surely??


 

offline B3n from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-15 23:54 [#00221606]
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yes its english but some think its american (because they
don't know better, and I don't mean that in an anti america
way)


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-05-15 23:56 [#00221608]
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haha i can speak a lil 'american'

but seriously, i wonder how languages would evolve centuries
or even millenia later. if there was just one central
international language tho, it'd be kinda boring.


 

offline smokehammer from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-05-15 23:56 [#00221609]
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American language was what the people they killed spoke
before they killed them and their language. Now America is
full of English and Spanish speakers. Imperialist tongues .
Murderers .




 

offline B3n from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-15 23:58 [#00221614]
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yeah and the british empires never done any whack things in
its colonisation of other countries..


 

offline Jedi Chris on 2002-05-15 23:58 [#00221615]
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LOL!!


 

offline Jedi Chris on 2002-05-15 23:59 [#00221616]
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Pachi, dear boy! How the devil are you?

*best upper class english accent!*


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-05-16 00:00 [#00221619]
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i'm well fine, dear jedi ;)


 

offline Jedi Chris on 2002-05-16 00:01 [#00221620]
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Jolly good!

;)


 

offline nene from United States on 2002-05-16 01:14 [#00221676]
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the use of 's to show possession is pretty weird when you
think about it. for instance, if you say "the man with the
hat's leg," you're not saying the leg belongs to the hat,
you just attach the 's to the end of the whole phrase.


 

offline jabizzy from St. Louis, Misery. Er, that's (United States) on 2002-05-16 01:54 [#00221681]
Points: 434 Status: Regular



a "set" is also the props and background used in a theatre.
or theater.

and this is a dumb question that has nothing to do with
language, but why in England are there crooked lines on the
streets?


 

offline Sido Dyas from a computer on 2002-05-16 02:20 [#00221693]
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Alot of English words comes from scandinavian words because
of the Vikings.
About 900 of english most common words to be more exact.

Words like sky,skin,scrape,skirt,husband (husbonde) and
window (vindue)

And all the land names that ends with "by" (by =vilage) like
Grimsby ,Thoresby(Thor=god of thunder"thors village") and
the "toft" like Brimtoft , Langtoft etc..

The vikings really invaded England.
You even had a Danish Viking king for a while.

The french language has also a bit skandinavian and have
many land names that is scandinavian like Bourguebu
(Borgeby) and names like La Londe (Lund).

The Vikings founded Normandie.


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-05-16 02:30 [#00221700]
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And the Vikings got 4 days of the week. Go Vikings!


 

offline xlr from Boston (United States) on 2002-05-16 05:48 [#00221903]
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I love the english language. More synonyms than you can
shake a stick at!


 

offline jabizzy from St. Louis, Misery. Er, that's (United States) on 2002-05-16 05:49 [#00221904]
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synonyms truly are the best; i agree


 

offline sadsquasH from Chicago (United States) on 2002-05-16 06:24 [#00221926]
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no but seriously, why do you crazy brits have the crooked
lines on your streets?


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-05-16 06:28 [#00221929]
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ya i thought i heard something about english deriving from
scandinavian languages


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-05-16 06:29 [#00221931]
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and arent gaelic and welsh quite similar to scandinavian
languages?


 

offline license from out of nowhere on 2002-05-16 06:54 [#00221944]
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I've made a concious effort against the Americanisation of
the English language by preserving its words in their
original form. I'm striving to keep the name with which I
have chosen to identify myself as the sole exception.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2002-05-16 06:58 [#00221945]
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I like the english language :(


 

offline afxNUMB from So.Flo on 2002-05-16 07:24 [#00221958]
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Spanish is pretty tough cause you change words around..damn
I'm hispanic myself and i look retarded speaking the
language...hmm I wonder how many people here are hispanic?


 

offline Jedi Chris on 2002-05-16 13:27 [#00222259]
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Welsh is crappy! A waste of space!


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-16 13:29 [#00222262]
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Oh, jesus, Chris, stop lobbying against Welsh!!! No one is
forcing you to speak it.


 


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