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offline joey from montréal (Canada) on 2002-05-11 20:36 [#00215346]
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Okay so it's been discussed ad nauseum, and your opinions
are firmly set in stone already, but I thought this not from
my friend Byron might shed some light on the subject...
Just plain and simple facts, that's all.

As you are aware, drugs (including alcohol) are poisons.
This is how drugs operate: a state of temporal heightened
physiological discrepancy replaces the learned processes of
the brain as the body’s immune systems work to counteract
the poison that has entered the bloodstream via the drug.
When poison enters the bloodstream, the poison that is in
the blood is pumped through the brain, killing several
thousand brain cells to varying degrees, depending on the
concentration and amount of poison that has entered the
blood.
The poison gains easy access to the most used brain cells
because the blood has easy access to the most used brain
cells, as these are the brain cells which require the most
oxygen from the flow of blood. This is why the poison
attacks the "older," more mature brain cells, which are
packed with fundamental information pertaining to the
brain’s process of reasoning the things of this world.
In order for the brain to remain in as renewable a state as
possible, "new" brain cells are utilized for the purpose of
reorienting the individual with the information that has
been lost due to the damage that the brain has sustained.
That is to say: the ‘more fresh’ brain cells are not as
loaded with information, and possess a higher capacity for
memory potential, so that the individual’s ability to
learn is renewed in order to regain the lost information
pertaining to the acquired processes of reasoning.
When old brain cells die, "new" brain cells take their
place. Seems all well and good. What's the catch?
First of all, unlike other types of cells in the body, when
the brain cells are destroyed, there is no regeneration.
There are reinforcements of brain cells, but these are
formed from already existing brain cells. The brain cells
which form the reinforcements are those whos


 

offline joey from montréal (Canada) on 2002-05-11 20:37 [#00215347]
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First of all, unlike other types of cells in the body, when
the brain cells are destroyed, there is no regeneration.
There are reinforcements of brain cells, but these are
formed from already existing brain cells. The brain cells
which form the reinforcements are those whose higher purpose
has now been redirected to cater to basic fundamental
functions.
Secondly, the "new" brain cells have to begin their training
just as brand new brain cells did when we were brought into
this world. "New" brain cells must learn right from the
bedrock of ignorance again. This means, for example, that
after five years, the amount of brain cells that have been
replaced in order to repair the damage caused by the
poisons, are five years old and under in terms of the
maturation of the potential reasoning of the individual.
Awakening "new" brain cells does not mean that one becomes
more intelligent, nor more creative, nor more initiated. It
means a slow descent from gained reasoning into the absence
of that reasoning, forcing the brain’s acquired process of
reasoning to train from the beginning over and over again,
retarding the maturation of the individual’s capacity to
reason.
If the individual were to simply refresh the brain, this may
have certain progressive attributes. The refreshing of the
brain can be done, however, without the use of substance,
through consultation and actively engaging in progressive
activities which require the practice of expanding the mind.
However, as it stands, there is no practical advantage to
robbing one’s self of reasoning with a continuous, or
continuously accelerating, frequency of drug intake.



 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-05-11 20:42 [#00215349]
Points: 16280 Status: Lurker



sounds like fun huh?


 

offline joey from montréal (Canada) on 2002-05-11 20:44 [#00215350]
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that's the thing. DRUGS ARE FUN!!! but at the same time
they are poison and destroy. that's really too bad.


 

offline urb from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-05-11 20:48 [#00215353]
Points: 568 Status: Regular



More propaganda

1) "Drugs" are not one type of chemical substance. They're
loosely defined as psychoactive chemicals.

2) "Posion" is a word that has been severly misused by the
anti-drug lobby. Dictionary definition of the word is:
"substance that exert a harmful influence". The medical
definition is even broader.


 

offline joey from montréal (Canada) on 2002-05-11 20:51 [#00215354]
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tell me then urb, when you are barfing up because you drank
too much or you have a headache from coming down off acid,
or you feel all stupid the day after smokin pot (all of
which have happened to me) is it because the substances are
not poisoning you? and if a person kicks the bucket because
there is a few too many hits of xtc in them, or a few too
many lines of coke? not poison, you say?


 

offline joey from montréal (Canada) on 2002-05-11 20:53 [#00215358]
Points: 1220 Status: Lurker



I will admit, too, that a lot of the food and air and water
that we eat are poison, but the question that begs to be
asked is "why would anyone want to go ahead and put more
shit into them?" and I'm sure there are many reasons... I
drink the occasional wine or beer, and even smoke the
occasional reefer, but i must admit that for me personally I
do find it somewhat harmful on my health.


 

offline joey from montréal (Canada) on 2002-05-11 20:55 [#00215360]
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and like i have noted, I know people's opinions are alerady
set firmly in the stone that they carve for themselves, so
I'm not trying to convince. I am just bringing to light. I
personally have no opinion on the matter. I just observe
and participate.


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-05-11 21:01 [#00215362]
Points: 16280 Status: Lurker



actually, I learned a bit about drugs in psychology this
year... but I forget some of it... I remember there were two
or three criteria for it to be a drug of this kinda... by
this kind I mean the more familiar types like alchohol,
marijuana, cocaine, heroine, etc... I know that one criteria
was it changed your physiology in some way...


 

offline urb from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-05-11 21:01 [#00215363]
Points: 568 Status: Regular | Followup to joey: #00215358



My point wasn't that drugs weren't poisons, but that many
things are poisons.

The anti-drug people use the word poison for shock effect,
and in all honesty it isn't any good for their cause.

I agree that there are many aspects of using drugs that are
bad, and that people need more information

Propaganda and flat out lies is not the way to go.


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-05-11 21:03 [#00215364]
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carpe diem


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-05-11 21:05 [#00215365]
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I'm of the opinion that people can make there own
decisions... I'm not trying to push my opinions on anyone,
and so people can do whatever drugs they want, and it's cool
with me... just don't rag on my opinions and views against
drugs...


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-05-11 21:06 [#00215366]
Points: 16280 Status: Lurker | Followup to Inverted Whale: #00215364



agreed, and do it in your own personal way... for some it
might be experimenting with drugs, for others it might
not...


 

offline urb from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-05-11 21:07 [#00215367]
Points: 568 Status: Regular | Followup to The_Funkmaster: #00215365



well, the disinformation from joey here doesn't help
anybody..

not that I think anybody else bothered to actually read the
whole thing.


 

offline Sido Dyas from a computer on 2002-05-11 21:09 [#00215368]
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Oh my god!!! my cat just OD'd ???

Knowledge and Wisdom


 

offline xlr from Boston (United States) on 2002-05-11 21:25 [#00215381]
Points: 4904 Status: Regular



Pretty much anything can be regarded as a drug. Caffiene,
porn, chocolate, alcohol, heroin, whatever. But some are a
lot more harmful to you and people around you than others.
There's a reason they're illegal - it's too easy to get
addicted, till you're at a point where your body is being
destroyed.

just my opinion. the drug problem will never go away until
the human brain overcomes its need to have something to get
high off of - but life would be pretty dull if that
happened.



 

offline B3n from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-11 21:50 [#00215392]
Points: 4700 Status: Lurker | Followup to Inverted Whale: #00215364



I prefer to live *in* the moment


 

offline B3n from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-11 21:52 [#00215394]
Points: 4700 Status: Lurker



just don't OD on paracetamol, apparently thats REALLY
painful, you won't die but'll enter stomach-pump-city


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-05-11 22:57 [#00215411]
Points: 8864 Status: Regular



this is retarded, all the drug topics, ALL of them on this
board are little loosely formed facts with large opinions
attached to them. whats the point.

I know exactly what they do to you, I used to be a fucking
cocaine addict who had to get real help, and so forth. So
what? I learned my lesson in real life, not from some words.
Which is better.

This is retarted, I cant get into this topic because it can
go on forever.


 

offline jupitah from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-05-12 03:37 [#00215892]
Points: 3489 Status: Lurker



sorry for keeping this thing going, but like i say over and
over again, don't read if you don't like. just a couple
things.

some drugs are poisons, some are not, as urb has made clear.
a lot of drugs don't kill brain cells joey. some are
produced in YOUR brain. your topic should have been
"poisons." defining drugs is not simple. in every area of
science the experts are having to come to realize that clear
lines cannot be drawn anywhere. wave or particle? drug or
legitimate neurotransmitter? creative genius on the edge or
lunatic? art or a strict means of making money? the line
between what is a drug and what is not a drug is not clear,
because to some degree everything affects you physically and
psychologically. where do we draw the line?

xlr: drugs are not made illegal because they are too easy to
become addicted to, as you say. many legal drugs are highly
addictive and many illegal drugs are not addictive. the
fact is this is a complex topic and people are trying to
make sweeping statements and huge simplifications. it
doesn't work.


 


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