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joey
from montréal (Canada) on 2002-05-11 20:36 [#00215346]
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Okay so it's been discussed ad nauseum, and your opinions are firmly set in stone already, but I thought this not from my friend Byron might shed some light on the subject... Just plain and simple facts, that's all.
As you are aware, drugs (including alcohol) are poisons. This is how drugs operate: a state of temporal heightened physiological discrepancy replaces the learned processes of the brain as the body’s immune systems work to counteract the poison that has entered the bloodstream via the drug. When poison enters the bloodstream, the poison that is in the blood is pumped through the brain, killing several thousand brain cells to varying degrees, depending on the concentration and amount of poison that has entered the blood.
The poison gains easy access to the most used brain cells because the blood has easy access to the most used brain cells, as these are the brain cells which require the most oxygen from the flow of blood. This is why the poison attacks the "older," more mature brain cells, which are packed with fundamental information pertaining to the brain’s process of reasoning the things of this world.
In order for the brain to remain in as renewable a state as possible, "new" brain cells are utilized for the purpose of reorienting the individual with the information that has been lost due to the damage that the brain has sustained. That is to say: the ‘more fresh’ brain cells are not as loaded with information, and possess a higher capacity for memory potential, so that the individual’s ability to learn is renewed in order to regain the lost information pertaining to the acquired processes of reasoning.
When old brain cells die, "new" brain cells take their place. Seems all well and good. What's the catch?
First of all, unlike other types of cells in the body, when the brain cells are destroyed, there is no regeneration. There are reinforcements of brain cells, but these are formed from already existing brain cells. The brain cells which form the reinforcements are those whos
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joey
from montréal (Canada) on 2002-05-11 20:37 [#00215347]
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First of all, unlike other types of cells in the body, when the brain cells are destroyed, there is no regeneration. There are reinforcements of brain cells, but these are formed from already existing brain cells. The brain cells which form the reinforcements are those whose higher purpose has now been redirected to cater to basic fundamental functions.
Secondly, the "new" brain cells have to begin their training just as brand new brain cells did when we were brought into this world. "New" brain cells must learn right from the bedrock of ignorance again. This means, for example, that after five years, the amount of brain cells that have been replaced in order to repair the damage caused by the poisons, are five years old and under in terms of the maturation of the potential reasoning of the individual.
Awakening "new" brain cells does not mean that one becomes more intelligent, nor more creative, nor more initiated. It means a slow descent from gained reasoning into the absence of that reasoning, forcing the brain’s acquired process of reasoning to train from the beginning over and over again, retarding the maturation of the individual’s capacity to reason.
If the individual were to simply refresh the brain, this may have certain progressive attributes. The refreshing of the brain can be done, however, without the use of substance, through consultation and actively engaging in progressive activities which require the practice of expanding the mind. However, as it stands, there is no practical advantage to robbing one’s self of reasoning with a continuous, or continuously accelerating, frequency of drug intake.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-05-11 20:42 [#00215349]
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sounds like fun huh?
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joey
from montréal (Canada) on 2002-05-11 20:44 [#00215350]
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that's the thing. DRUGS ARE FUN!!! but at the same time they are poison and destroy. that's really too bad.
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urb
from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-05-11 20:48 [#00215353]
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More propaganda
1) "Drugs" are not one type of chemical substance. They're loosely defined as psychoactive chemicals.
2) "Posion" is a word that has been severly misused by the anti-drug lobby. Dictionary definition of the word is: "substance that exert a harmful influence". The medical definition is even broader.
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joey
from montréal (Canada) on 2002-05-11 20:51 [#00215354]
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tell me then urb, when you are barfing up because you drank too much or you have a headache from coming down off acid, or you feel all stupid the day after smokin pot (all of which have happened to me) is it because the substances are not poisoning you? and if a person kicks the bucket because there is a few too many hits of xtc in them, or a few too many lines of coke? not poison, you say?
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joey
from montréal (Canada) on 2002-05-11 20:53 [#00215358]
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I will admit, too, that a lot of the food and air and water that we eat are poison, but the question that begs to be asked is "why would anyone want to go ahead and put more shit into them?" and I'm sure there are many reasons... I drink the occasional wine or beer, and even smoke the occasional reefer, but i must admit that for me personally I do find it somewhat harmful on my health.
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joey
from montréal (Canada) on 2002-05-11 20:55 [#00215360]
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and like i have noted, I know people's opinions are alerady set firmly in the stone that they carve for themselves, so I'm not trying to convince. I am just bringing to light. I personally have no opinion on the matter. I just observe and participate.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-05-11 21:01 [#00215362]
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actually, I learned a bit about drugs in psychology this year... but I forget some of it... I remember there were two or three criteria for it to be a drug of this kinda... by this kind I mean the more familiar types like alchohol, marijuana, cocaine, heroine, etc... I know that one criteria was it changed your physiology in some way...
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urb
from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-05-11 21:01 [#00215363]
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My point wasn't that drugs weren't poisons, but that many things are poisons.
The anti-drug people use the word poison for shock effect, and in all honesty it isn't any good for their cause.
I agree that there are many aspects of using drugs that are bad, and that people need more information
Propaganda and flat out lies is not the way to go.
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-05-11 21:03 [#00215364]
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carpe diem
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-05-11 21:05 [#00215365]
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I'm of the opinion that people can make there own decisions... I'm not trying to push my opinions on anyone, and so people can do whatever drugs they want, and it's cool with me... just don't rag on my opinions and views against drugs...
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-05-11 21:06 [#00215366]
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agreed, and do it in your own personal way... for some it might be experimenting with drugs, for others it might not...
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urb
from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-05-11 21:07 [#00215367]
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well, the disinformation from joey here doesn't help anybody..
not that I think anybody else bothered to actually read the whole thing.
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2002-05-11 21:09 [#00215368]
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Oh my god!!! my cat just OD'd ???
Knowledge and Wisdom
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xlr
from Boston (United States) on 2002-05-11 21:25 [#00215381]
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Pretty much anything can be regarded as a drug. Caffiene, porn, chocolate, alcohol, heroin, whatever. But some are a lot more harmful to you and people around you than others. There's a reason they're illegal - it's too easy to get addicted, till you're at a point where your body is being destroyed.
just my opinion. the drug problem will never go away until the human brain overcomes its need to have something to get high off of - but life would be pretty dull if that happened.
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-11 21:50 [#00215392]
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I prefer to live *in* the moment
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-11 21:52 [#00215394]
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just don't OD on paracetamol, apparently thats REALLY painful, you won't die but'll enter stomach-pump-city
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-05-11 22:57 [#00215411]
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this is retarded, all the drug topics, ALL of them on this board are little loosely formed facts with large opinions attached to them. whats the point.
I know exactly what they do to you, I used to be a fucking cocaine addict who had to get real help, and so forth. So what? I learned my lesson in real life, not from some words. Which is better.
This is retarted, I cant get into this topic because it can go on forever.
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jupitah
from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-05-12 03:37 [#00215892]
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sorry for keeping this thing going, but like i say over and over again, don't read if you don't like. just a couple things.
some drugs are poisons, some are not, as urb has made clear. a lot of drugs don't kill brain cells joey. some are produced in YOUR brain. your topic should have been "poisons." defining drugs is not simple. in every area of science the experts are having to come to realize that clear lines cannot be drawn anywhere. wave or particle? drug or legitimate neurotransmitter? creative genius on the edge or lunatic? art or a strict means of making money? the line between what is a drug and what is not a drug is not clear, because to some degree everything affects you physically and psychologically. where do we draw the line?
xlr: drugs are not made illegal because they are too easy to become addicted to, as you say. many legal drugs are highly addictive and many illegal drugs are not addictive. the fact is this is a complex topic and people are trying to make sweeping statements and huge simplifications. it doesn't work.
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